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Re: Va., Pa and now Ky anti 2nd amendment actions and reactions
« Reply #56 on: January 02, 2020, 11:41:38 AM »


A LOT of things hyped by the media really aren't of much consequence, they are merely passing items that are quickly forgotten having changed nothing.
Except criminalizing those who whee not criminals


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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Va., Pa and now Ky anti 2nd amendment actions and reactions
« Reply #57 on: January 02, 2020, 11:48:49 AM »
From the UN web site

@Drew4utk I'd be interested in your take on this




Does it pertain to other countries? Who knows.

I know some will trivialize it but...
here is a interesting article with one view
Is this in response to the Virginia crisis?
You may recall that citizens of Virginia have become outraged recently by new laws that are likely to pass this month, effectively banning all semi-automatic weapons. Sanctuary counties, cities, and municipalities now cover all but the most urban parts of the state. These sanctuaries have vowed to support the Second Amendment and are refusing to enforce unconstitutional gun laws.
In response, a member of the state congress suggested that Governor Northam could call up the National Guard to disarm residents of Virginia despite the wishes of local governments. In response to that, at least one county has formed a militia and others are expected to spring up. The state’s Attorney General says that these sanctuaries carry no legal weight.
Despite the AG’s opinion and threats from the state government, Virginians appear to have no plans to give up their guns or register them. Many members of law enforcement entities and the National Guard have said that they will not act on unconstitutional orders.
One has to wonder if this is why the UN is hiring “disarmament officers?”
What is the job description?
Here are the responsibilities for the new hires, as per the United Nations job listing.
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Within delegated authority, the Disarmament, Demobilization and Reintegration Officer will be responsible for the following duties:
 • Acts as a Focal Point for Disarmament, Demobilization and Reintegration (DDR) components for two to three missions, responsible for planning, support to implementation and evaluation;
 • Participates in DPO and Integrated Task Force planning meetings for the establishment of a new peacekeeping mission with a potential DDR component;
 • Provides technical assistance to peace negotiations;
 • Participates in technical assessment missions;
 • Advises, develops and reviews (as appropriate) initial DDR functional strategy and concept of operations for further development into a full programme by the DDR component and the National DDR Commission;
 • Drafts and reviews DDR inputs to SG report, code cables, and talking points;
 • Develops initial result-based framework and budget for new DDR components in new mission;
 • Liaises with UNDP and donor community to raise voluntary contributions for DDR programmes;
 • Presents and/or defends new and subsequent DDR budgetary requirements in the ACABQ and the 5th Committee of the General Assembly;
 • Develops staffing structure and terms of reference for a DDR component, including terms of integration with other UN agencies, funds and programmes;
 • Provides technical clearance for applicants to DDR units in new and ongoing missions;
 • Provides Headquarters support in planning the civilian and military logistics support for DDR;
 • Continually reviews DDR programme strategy and implementation through relevant documents, reports and code cables;
 • Conducts field missions to assess implementation of established DDR programmes;
 • Identifies potential problems and issues to be addressed and suggests remedies to DDR units in the field;
 • Liaises with Member States, UN actors and other DDR interested partners to represent the mission’s DDR component at the Headquarters level;
 • Establishes and maintains an outreach network with CSOs and IGOs active in the area of DDR.
 • Supports the doctrine development work in the area of DDR in the department, with the Inter-Agency Working Group (IAWG) on DDR and other relevant national and international actors working on DDR issues;
 • Contributes to Department-level or Policy Committee-level policy development work on DDR and related issues;
 • Maintains and further develops the Integrated DDR Standards – a set of inter-agency policies, guidelines and procedures on DDR;
 • On behalf of the Chief of the DDR Section, co-chairs the IAWG on DDR, contributes to bringing coherence to the interaction of the UN system and its partners on DDR;
 • Supervises the Associate Expert (Junior Professional Officer) in the development and maintenance of the web-based United Nations DDR Resource Centre;
 • Liaises with others (UN, regional organisations and Member States) providing DDR.

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ther duties as required. (source)
Also notable is the required language fluency – English – and the desired experience.
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Seven years of relevant experience in disarmament affairs, political analysis or in national military or paramilitary service, preferably related to the design, implementation or review of DDR. (source)
Employees would answer to the Secretary-General of the United Nations.
As per the UN, here are some specifics about this job description. Of special note:
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Disarmament is the collection, documentation, control and disposal of small arms, ammunition, explosives and light and heavy weapons of combatants and often also of the civilian population. Disarmament also includes the development of responsible arms management programmes. (source)
As well, the UN especially wants women to apply for this job, citing gender equality. But is it possible they think that a gun owner might have more ethical difficulty firing on a woman trying to take their weapons than a man?
The US is no longer part of the UN Arms Trade Treaty.
You may recall back in 2013, the United Nations convinced then-Secretary of State John Kerry to sign a treaty that “unequivocally bans arms transfers that are in violation of a U.N. arms embargo or that exporters have reason to know will be used to commit genocide and other grievous war crimes.”
However noble that may sound, anti-gun control activists were concerned this would lead to the UN being able to disarm Americans on US soil.


So why is the UN looking for English-speaking disarmament experts?
Don’t be silly, “no one is coming to take your guns.”
How many times has someone told you not to worry – that nobody is coming to take your guns away? That all they want is “common-sense gun laws?”
In light of the current political climate and this job listing, I’d say that is an outright a lie.



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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Va., Pa and now Ky anti 2nd amendment actions and reactions
« Reply #58 on: January 02, 2020, 11:54:04 AM »
"You may recall that citizens of Virginia have become outraged recently by new laws that are likely to pass this month, effectively banning all semi-automatic weapons."

Do you view this as an accurate summation of the proposed new laws?


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Re: Va., Pa and now Ky anti 2nd amendment actions and reactions
« Reply #59 on: January 02, 2020, 12:43:28 PM »
@DunkingDan  i've been aware of that for about a week, but just haven't shared it here.  a few on my facebook feed have talked about it extensively.  

i don't know what to make of it.  it is a 'deploying position' and speaks of expectation of two deployments (maybe not one above but another iteration of it from elsewhere).   there is a lot of speculation concerning it, too.  

i fully expect push back on presenting this, and quite frankly i don't care... : 

the UN has been attempting to remove the rights of private weapon ownership for years now- more than a decade.  part of the Obama era plans were to use this to disarm American's, first by 'proving' UN Charter was a document superior to the Constitution- making any disagreements between it and the charter null.... and while the 'charter' is a living document to be altered and manipulated by not only OUR INTERNAL ENEMIES (Dems, open borders, Soros) but exterior enemies who would rather 'take' what they lust for instead of create their own.   

make no mistake the UN wants the world disarmed.  the lions share of the reason this continent is impossible to be militarily taken whole from outside agency is the sheer number of weapons in this nation, the massive volume of veterans, national guard, and good ol' boys who will happily defend their range.  IF those 'armed' become criminals, and the UN (under charter) is 'invited' to attempt disarming, it would be the absolute mess the friggin' Dems WANT.  and though all the bleeding hearts or those who feel they are reasonably 'centered', that is PRECISELY what those people, along with the open borders and certainly the oligarchs from all across the planet WANT... we're the third most populated nation on the planet behind China and India- who are almost completely disarmed (private citizens), and 'they' are at the mercy of their governments...  making 'us' that way is the kingpin- pull it the rest of the world falls apart. 

'they' could come after other 'rights' recognized by the constitution first, but... it would be SO much easier if we couldn't resist them.  so... they'll go after those 'next'.  meanwhile, they have to divide the population into camps- some demanding disarming for reasons varying from 'murder rate' to '..because of the children JUST THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!', get the media behind it (easily done when it's owned by them) and then stack the courts.  Trump winning (even though he's no friend of the 2A) put them back perhaps a generation on this 'movement'.  

and for years i asked myself 'why'?  "What is the end game"... and, it's pretty obvious and shouldn't have taken me so long to figure out... it's 'population control'.  

if the hag would have won we would be at war with Russia i've little doubt, which served at least two purposes with her and hers, 1- cover her tracks and activities, 2- initiate opportunity to take a good chunk out of the population, more than likely entwining many countries into the foray.. 

laugh all you want, this is what i believe the 'game' is. 

after guns are addressed, and i imagine once a law is established (destroying the 2A) it will just be a matter of time before penalties for infraction will be severe- as in, as severe as can be.  next will be 1A and attack on non-compliant 'news'- Fox will be targeted as a for instance... speaking against government will carry a penalty (such as it does in China and Russia- and who are both attempting to make criminals out of anyone- any nationality- criticizing their positions publicly and specifically on the internet... thank you Obama for handing over control of the internet to the international community and which China is seizing right now).  after 'speech' is crippled, the 4A and unlawful search, seizure, and 'trials' will be impacted- resulting in mass arrests for no good reason.  on and on until people SCREAM for relief- and are willing to accept whatever 'rules' presented to ensure their 'security'- which will be solely at the leisure of the state.  

dystopian image?  yeah... and by my reckoning precisely what they are intending.  'they' can reduce the population by 1/3 in a decade before people are even aware of what's happening.  by that time, it won't matter that it 'is' known as there will be no way to stop them... and where do they stop? what's the magic number and what will be the deciding factors? good questions..... compliance will obviously be one of the primary 'qualifications'... 


now do i really believe all that?  well, i don't know.  i know this though- without the ability to resist and 'make it easy for them' we'd have a chance... without that ability, we're at their mercy... and... i absolutely believe this: Safety and Public Health ain't got shit to do with the disarming of otherwise law abiding citizens- there is another reason.  we can bicker about what that reason is, but no matter what it is---- if it was obvious we'd know, so why isn't it obvious? because 'they' don't want us to know what it is... as in, they're distracting using calls to emotional response which by nature tells me they don't trust simple logic, which means it's most likely nefarious in nature.  the 'above' is a drastic and extreme 'story', but... plan for the worst and hope for the best?  if there was 'trust' in this nation between citizens and government (who SHOULD be 'citizens working FOR citizens') maybe this entire subject could be discussed, but because 'they' play these games, we clutch our weapons with extreme pessimism for their intent. 


  

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A Full Tenn. Map Of Second Amendment Sanctuaries Starts To Take Shape
« Reply #60 on: January 02, 2020, 04:31:39 PM »
Tennessee Second Amendment Sanctuary Counties Map
Largely unnoticed by any mainstream media, Tennessee has been passing Second Amendment Sanctuary Counties one by one over the past several months. Upon closer examination, GRW has now identified movements in at least 35 counties.
The movement began in April of this year when Polk County became the first to declare itself a sanctuary for gun rights. Quietly, other county boards in the area took notice and started asking questions. The movement began and ramped up further as the noticed that nearby Kentucky and Virginia had adopted the craze for themselves. Tennessee now has sixteen bonafide Second Amendment Sanctuary counties, with what appears to be many more on the way.
Originally, Tennesseeans faced the threat of Red Flag laws, which should be more than enough to cause any state to start taking drastic measures. As that threat eventually went away, many citizens of The Volunteer State realized that their firearm rights were not as safe as they had thought, and as a result, many new gun rights organizations and groups now exist that previously had not. 


Municipalities That Passed a Second Amendment Sanctuary Resolution:
(green)

Municipalities That Passed A More Generic Second Amendment Resolution:
(light green)
Municipalities That Passed a Second Amendment Resolution Without The Word Sanctuary:
Municipalities That Passed Older Second Amendment Preservation Ordinances:
(light green)
  • Dyer County - passed ordinance in 2013
  • Madison County - passed ordinance in 2013
  • Fayette County - passed ordinance in 2013
Municipalities Having a Hearing or Confirmed To Be Voting Soon:
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  • Johnson County - meeting or voting on 1/13/2020
  • Grainger County - meeting or voting on 1/13/2020
  • Hawkins County - meeting or voting on 1/27/2020
  • City of Dunlap - first meeting was 12/19/2019; vote could be 1/22/2020
Other Counties Or Cities That Have Efforts To Get A Hearing Or Vote Soon:
(orange)
  • Washington County
  • Union County
  • Knox County
  • Scott County
  • Morgan County
  • Cumberland County
  • Jackson County
  • Sequatchie County
  • Grundy County
  • Franklin County
  • Cannon County
  • Trousdale County
  • Wilson County
  • Rutherford County
  • Bedford County
  • Henderson County

President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Virginia gun store says firearms, ammunition, and magazines flying off
« Reply #61 on: January 03, 2020, 01:14:34 PM »
shelves with upswing in cash purchases

Excerpts from article:

...With Virginia Democrats taking over all branches of state government, a firearms store owner in the state says sales of guns, magazines, and ammunition are up 200%, and more of his customers are paying in cash.
..."We can't keep it in stock." Since Democrats took the majorities of both chambers in Virginia's state legislature after big wins in the November elections, gun control proposals that include bans on "assault-style" weapons, restrictions on magazine capacity, universal background checks, and restrictions to one gun a month purchases have all been brought forth.
...Jennifer Wexton, who was previously a state senator, has proposed legislation in Congress to use credit card data to track gun purchases.
...The National Rifle Association's lobbying arm released a statement Thursday responding to the upcoming gun control legislation fight in Richmond.


http://redstatewatcher.com/aggregate.asp?id=157685&fbclid=IwAR30UwUYynqnKEtPkO6WzlTutEy-tfbtBv_Zo_u5b5UYEGYxrrCmTRbYG6U
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Va., Pa and now Ky anti 2nd amendment actions and reactions
« Reply #62 on: January 03, 2020, 01:38:13 PM »
@Drew4UTk, I have a few motto’s:

It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.

Prepare for war so that there may be peace.

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Virginia bill to make firearms training an "illegal paramilitary
« Reply #63 on: January 03, 2020, 03:23:23 PM »
 activity" and felony?

Virginia legislators have clearly lost their minds on this latest bill that was drafted and filed this month, which will be open to discussion come January 2020.
This of course is in reference to Senate Bill Number 64, or SB64 as it may appear on various print or spoken discussion.
Virginia is attempted to chip away at the rights of citizens, one small hammer stroke at a time; and this bill is going to attempt to outlaw firearm training. We’ll display the language used in the bill and get into dissecting how it may be perceived generally, or even presented, versus how it can also be enacted.
The first portion of the bill goes as follows:



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“A person is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he: 1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder”

How it will be Perceived/Explained:

The way that they drafted the bill, and the portions that will be either emphasized or broadly digested will be the portions related to people “knowing” that they’re preparing someone for some “civil disorder”.

 

They might even say that this law can be used against Antifa, which it could, but will it?

Talking heads will go on television, hyping up that this is a good measure that will criminalize people training for acts related to domestic terrorism; although why would we need a law for something there’s already a law for? That could be addressed already by Virginia law § 18.2-46.5.

How it can be Enforced:

The most dangerous words in this proposal are “knowing or having reason to know” and “in furtherance of”.

The reason being that intent is no longer really required, leaving every gun range owners and employees susceptible to prosecution for simply doing business. It’s plain as day why this language is the way it is, because with these key words, only loose connections need to be established to criminalize gun owners and enthusiasts.

 
Furthermore, civil disorder is also quite a broad term as well to be concerned about.



The second and also third portion of this bills is as follows:
“2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.”

How it will be Perceived/Explained:

Well now this will try to put you at rest from thinking that someone can legally start up some kind of training camp to prepare people to wreak havoc on your city, which with the way the law is written it can certainly be applied in that fashion.

 
And that portion pertaining to marching, well that’s to stop anyone from making it look like they own your streets via a militaristic grip and toting their scary guns. Keep in mind, this is how it will be sold and broadly digested. 
How it can be Enforced:

That last Section, 3, is the most unique part of the law. While Section 2 can be applied much like Section 1 can, that third portion has the ability to criminalize open-carry demonstrations and peaceful protests.

As we saw last year in Washington, D.C., the “March for our Lives” demonstration which had a theme that was about banning guns, encountered some counter-protesters proudly displaying their second amendment rights and openly carrying.
These few dozen individuals held what they called a “Patriot Picket” and that pesky third portion of the proposed bill can send someone to jail for having a firearm on their person whilst attending a march such as that.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/virginia-bill-to-make-firearms-training-an-illegal-paramilitary-activity-and-felony/



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Re: Va., Pa and now Ky anti 2nd amendment actions and reactions
« Reply #65 on: January 04, 2020, 07:39:12 AM »
"You may recall that citizens of Virginia have become outraged recently by new laws that are likely to pass this month, effectively banning all semi-automatic weapons."

Do you view this as an accurate summation of the proposed new laws?


What are the key features of the proposed laws in VA?  Is the above accurate?

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Sheriffs may go to jail to protect Second Amendment sanctuaries,
« Reply #66 on: January 04, 2020, 12:29:31 PM »
 Kentucky congressman says

Kentucky Republican Rep. Thomas Massie thinks some local law enforcement leaders will be willing to go to jail rather than comply with state gun control laws they deem unconstitutional.

"Attended my first 2A sanctuary meeting today in Lewis County (where I live). Standing room only. Friends and neighbors spoke passionately and articulately. County officials unanimously passed a resolution," Massie tweeted on Dec. 30. "This grassroots movement feels even stronger than the Tea Party in 2010."

Second Amendment sanctuary municipalities last year sprouted up in Illinois, a state with some of the strictest gun control laws. They then spread to ColoradoKentuckyNew MexicoNew JerseyOregonVirginiaWashington state, and other states.

Massie cited Weld County, Colorado Sheriff Steve Reams, a critic of the state’s “red flag” law, who has offered to put himself in his own jail rather than enforce the state law.

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Re: Va., Pa and now Ky anti 2nd amendment actions and reactions
« Reply #67 on: January 04, 2020, 12:32:32 PM »
It'll be interesting to see what VA actually passes.  I suspect they will not "effectively ban all semi-automatic weapons".  I have not seen that suggested or proposed anywhere.


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Missouri Rep Files Bill That Nullifies Federal Gun Control For 2020
« Reply #69 on: January 05, 2020, 03:18:27 PM »
Legislative Session


Taylor’s bill, H.B. 1637, is titled the Second Amendment Preservation Act.  The purpose of the bill is to roll back gun control in Missouri and would make any new federal gun control in Missouri null and void.
The bill further would make it a crime for law enforcement or government agents of any kind to enforce any future gun control in the state.
This bill would essentially make the entire state of Missouri into a Second Amendment Sanctuary!



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