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Topic: Trump going after the Terrorist Omar

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Hightop77

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Re: Merriam-Webster Dictionary
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2019, 09:09:02 AM »
I guess Webster has one definition and Cincy has his own.....




": a person who uses or supports the use of terrorism"

His reasoning changes based on which thread he is trolling.

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Re: Trump going after the Terrorist Omar
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2019, 09:15:56 AM »
Shrewd move by Trump.  As we learned from the Republican primary campaign, appealing to the Deplorables with inflammatory remarks about non-whites is the lynchpin (pun intended) of his popularity.  

One of the basic rules of politics is to define issues in a way that maximizes the number of voters on your side and minimizes the number of voters on the other side. That’s why prudent Republicans frame the immigration debate around lawbreaking. They praise legal immigration, and they claim to care about all Americans who could lose their jobs to border jumpers. The issue isn’t about ethnicity, they argue. It isn’t even about whether you were born here. It’s about respecting the law and getting in line. That’s a message most Americans can support.

President Donald Trump has wrecked that message. This week, he told four Democratic congresswomen to “go back” to the countries from which their families emigrated. Three of the four lawmakers—Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts, and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan—were born here. By targeting them, Trump has sent a warning to every American whose ancestors came to this country: You, too, can be told to go home.
Trump has often complained about minority immigrants, regardless of their legal status. Go back and watch the 2015 speech in which he kicked off his presidential campaign. “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best,” he declared. “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” Not once in that speech did Trump specify whether he was talking about legal or illegal immigrants.
In public, Trump sometimes pretends to love legal immigrants. But behind closed doors, he has made clear that he doesn’t like people of certain nationalities. In 2017, during an Oval Office meeting about legal immigration, Trump claimed that Haitians coming to the United States “all have AIDS” and that Nigerians, if allowed into our country, would never “go back to their huts.” In 2018, during another conversation about legal immigration, he said of Haiti, El Salvador, and Africa: “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” He groused on Twitter about having to accept “people from high crime countries which are doing badly.”



Opposing immigrants based on their race, ethnicity, or nationality is far more incendiary than opposing immigrants who break the law. It’s also politically dangerous. It risks antagonizing not only the many Americans whose families came from Africa, the Middle East, or Latin America, but also millions of other voters who don’t feel comfortable with overt prejudice. Still, Republicans might get away with it—and profit from the votes of xenophobes and bigots—as long as they don’t take the next step. The next step is using ethnicity to target not just immigrants, but natural-born American citizens.

Trump has crossed that line many times. In 2015, he impugned the patriotism of Jeb Bush, the former governor of Florida, for having married an immigrant from Mexico. Bush’s wife, Columba, has been an American citizen for nearly 40 years. That didn’t stop Trump from suggesting, based on Columba Bush’s ancestry, that Jeb Bush couldn’t be trusted to secure America’s borders. First Trump retweeted an allegation that Jeb Bush “has to like the Mexican illegals because of his wife.” Then, on CNN, Trump repeated that allegation: “If my wife were from Mexico, I think I would have a soft spot for people from Mexico.”

Trump also challenged the faith and loyalty of Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, an American citizen whose father had immigrated legally from Cuba. During the 2016 presidential race, Trump persistently warned evangelicals not to trust Cruz because, as Trump put it, “not a lot of evangelicals come out of Cuba.” In addition, Trump disputed Cruz’s eligibility for the presidency on the grounds that Cruz “was born in Canada.” Cruz was automatically American and eligible to serve because his mother was a U.S. citizen. But to Trump, that didn’t matter.


Sometimes, in the course of vilifying ethnic communities, Trump doesn’t bother to clarify whether he’s talking about noncitizen immigrants, naturalized Americans, or people who were born here. In 2015, at a rally in Alabama, he falsely claimed to have seen “thousands of people” celebrating the 9/11 attacks in “New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations. They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down.” In case anyone missed the slur, Trump repeated it: “There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down.” The size of Trump’s allegation—“thousands of people,” “large Arab populations”—implied that he was accusing Arab Americans, not just immigrants, of supporting anti-American terrorism.

For years, Trump directed and publicized an investigation of President Barack Obama, insinuating that Obama was a Muslim “born in Kenya” and not, as all records showed, a Christian born to an American mother and a Kenyan father in the United States. Trump didn’t just question whether Obama “was born in this country.” He hired investigators to scour records from Obama’s birth and childhood, and he claimed on TV that the investigators “cannot believe what they’re finding.” After Obama released his birth certificate, Trump tweeted, “An ‘extremely credible source’ has called my office and told me that @BarackObama’s birth certificate is a fraud.” Later, in a tweet that foreshadowed his plea for Russian intervention in the 2016 election, Trump urged “hackers” to pursue the question of Obama’s birthplace.

Trump’s history of attacks on Americans of African, Middle Eastern, and Latin American ancestry—impugning their loyalty, investigating their births, threatening their citizenship, proposing to punish them collectively—isn’t about respecting immigration laws. It isn’t even about immigration. It’s about dividing natural-born Americans by race, ethnicity, and religion. His denunciation of members of Congress based on where their families “originally came from” signals an acceleration of that assault. It might galvanize Trump’s white supporters. On the other hand, it might alarm and galvanize many of us, white or nonwhite, whose parents or grandparents came from other countries. We might decide that a racist president is a threat to us all.

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Re: Trump going after the Terrorist Omar
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2019, 09:19:20 AM »
I see zero evidence she supports the use of terrorism.


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Re: Trump going after the Terrorist Omar
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2019, 10:50:50 AM »
Whether this was a politically astute move or not we won't know for a while.

The only politically non-astute thing Trump did last night was say GD twice.  Everything else was a mudstomp, and 2020 will bear this out.  A year from today, the Dems won't be any closer to a contender than they are now.  And whatever clod it turns out to be, the "polls" will show him/her leading Trump.

And then Trump will steamroll come November.

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Re: Trump going after the Terrorist Omar
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2019, 10:59:00 AM »
Do folks appreciate that the only folks listening to Trump at these events are Trumpers already in the fold and Leftists wanting to disparage whatever he says?

He fires up the base, which is fine, but has little impact on those in the middle.

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Re: Trump going after the Terrorist Omar
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2019, 11:01:35 AM »
Do folks appreciate that the only folks listening to Trump at these events are Trumpers already in the fold and Leftists wanting to disparage whatever he says?

He fires up the base, which is fine, but has little impact on those in the middle.
You need to send him a letter and explain how it's a waste of time for him to visit and speak to his base, the one that won the election for him, and keep them interested and engaged.  I think you might have a real future as a political consultant.

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Re: Trump going after the Terrorist Omar
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2019, 11:04:25 AM »
You need to learn to read and stop twisting what others have posted into insensible remarks.

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Re: Trump going after the Terrorist Omar
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2019, 11:06:43 AM »
You need to learn to read and stop twisting what others have posted into insensible remarks.
Twisted?  How?  

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Re: Trump going after the Terrorist Omar
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2019, 11:08:47 AM »
i wager there is nobody here who has studied and terrorism as much as i have.  it's not to say i'm an expert, as 'terrorism' is dynamic and fluid- changing to fit it's needs.... so it's better to nail it down by it's objective than labeling black clad ninja looking goons as terrorists, let alone the only definition of terrorism.  

terrorism is the intent to gain through the use of intimidation and fear.  it is usually a faction without direct state support and who is/are overwhelmingly outnumbered in sentiment and intentions but who -through use of destruction and then fear of it happening again- gain attention and reluctant support for their cause.  they bend the will of people by making their numbers and support seem far greater than it is, and scaring the hell out of them.  



fwiw- terrorist organizations in the traditional sense have four components...
  • the terrorists operational cell, which is generally small in number.  
  • the active supporters, who far outnumber the cell but who often know who the cell is and sometimes know what they're up to.. 
  • the inactive supporters- folks who live regular lives but provide money and provisions to the active group to be passed to the cell.
  • sympathizers- the largest in number and can be totally unknown, who may become inactive supporters, or not, or who may voice their support, or not.  the influence of the cell is based on sentiment, and the sentiment of a region will determine if that region is a permissive or non-permissive environment for combating the cell or the active supporters. 

i don't find it hard to believe one bit that this 'representative' is either an inactive supporter OR perhaps even an active supporter.  I would lean toward active supporter given her penchant for traveling around rousing support.   





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Re: Trump going after the Terrorist Omar
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2019, 11:11:22 AM »
The point of it nearly in every case is to generate a reaction (fear, response) disproportionate to the actual damage caused.

I don't view this woman as a terrorist, but other are free to.

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Re: Trump going after the Terrorist Omar
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2019, 11:19:13 AM »
The point of it nearly in every case is to generate a reaction (fear, response) disproportionate to the actual damage caused.

I don't view this woman as a terrorist, but other are free to.
i should likely revise my comment but it was getting.... wordy... which is something i want to curtail. 

the muslim brotherhood, which she has actively supported, is on the borderline of being a terrorist group... agreed?  the borderline is described by 'supporting groups like Hamas, Abu Nidal, Abdullah Azzaham Brigade, Al Nusra Front'.... the list goes on... that group may not have actively 'terrorized' people, but they have actively supported it- so it's up to academic types to decide if proximity is guilt.... so she supports groups that actively support terrorism... she may not be a terrorist, but you have to admit she has made herself suspect by affiliation, no? 

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Re: Trump going after the Terrorist Omar
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2019, 11:21:31 AM »
I think you might have a real future as a political consultant.

Ouch.

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Re: Trump going after the Terrorist Omar
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2019, 11:21:57 AM »
You might conclude she supports groups that support terrorist groups.  I personally don't think she's a terrorist.

Trump supports Saudia Arabia which has committed war crimes (probably) in Yemen.  I don't think that makes Trump a war criminal.


This was my earlier comment.  She claims to support nonviolent stuff, obviously.  Her recent push is to allow boycotts of Israel.

Anyway, it's just a term.  They get thrown around a lot in politics.

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Re: Trump going after the Terrorist Omar
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2019, 11:26:28 AM »
Had we lost either world war we would have had hundreds of people facing war crime charges, and being offered just to say: its about perspective, huh?  History is written by the Victor.  

 

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