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Topic: Thou Shall Not Kill: Does God Violate His Own Commandment?

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DunkingDan

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Re: Thou Shall Not Kill: Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2020, 05:32:34 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Thou Shall Not Kill: Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2020, 05:44:37 PM »
I am particularly fond of dogs. They seem to like me as well.

I sometimes think we humans are not deserving of dogs.

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Re: Thou Shall Not Kill: Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2020, 05:45:29 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Thou Shall Not Kill: Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2020, 06:07:21 PM »
Thx if you want to select something that is in a quote box you have to copy and paste it.

You can paste it in a quote box if you select what looks like the speech balloon for the funnies. In my panel I am viewing here it is on the right side between what looks like a scroll with a + sign in it and a picture with a plus sign on its lower right side. If you click on a spot in the reply box and then click on the quote box I just described where it is then a blank quote area should appear and you can copy and paste what was said into it. Lot of words and confusing. Sorry its the best I can do right now, I may revisit it latter and see if I can clarify it some.


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Thanks, Dan.  You have a great Thanksgiving, too.

It only seems to be an issue when I “quote” a quote that has response in it.  No biggie…

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As I said above, religious people, not just Christians, have to have an innate ability to reconcile most anything.


The Left has become so uniformly conformist and humorless, I these latter days, through decades of utter irrationality and inbred derangement, that they have become utterly humorless.  And impervious to irony.  Ever watch a late-night talk show?  Miserable...

It didn't use to be that way.  I used to know Libs that were genuinely funny and complex and interesting...  I miss that.

What's sort of funny -- only, "that joke isn't funny anymore..." --

is what's expressed here.

The complete, myopic lack of self-awareness of one's own adherence to a religious belief system.  Yes -- the most vague one possible, that is true.  Whateverism:  "the belief in something, nothing, anything, everything -- as long as it's not the Biblical God."

IOWs -- as long as it's not the truth.

Coupled with that is the total lack of recognition that they are doing the exact same thing that they are accusing their opponents of doing.

They are “reconciling” the impossible to their own vacuous hopes and preferences.

They want to reconcile a creation with the lack of a Creator.

They want to reconcile intricate design and order with mindless randomness.

They want to reconcile information with lack of Intelligence.

They want to reconcile microbes assembling and becoming men, with the manifest impossibility of that occurring.  And with the absolute lack of evidence that any such materialist wet dream fantasy ever occurred.  And with the mountain of evidence against it, and in favor of the Biblical narrative and cataclysmic global Flood.

Such iron-hat volitional ignorance and opaqueness used to be sort of amusing to me.

Now, it’s just desperately, drearily dull.  



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Re: Thou Shall Not Kill: Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2020, 06:58:39 PM »
So, how do you think plants survived the Flood?  

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Re: Thou Shall Not Kill: Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2020, 07:55:54 PM »
I've said before, I'm very happy to countenance the existence of a Creator.  To me, it's a plausible hypothesis.
Shouldn't a hypothesis be based on some remote semblance of actual evidence?

The oft-repeated false premise that "something can't come from nothing" ignores the fact that, ironically, there is no such thing as nothing.  You just have to look harder (and smaller) - there's always something.  

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Re: Thou Shall Not Kill: Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2020, 08:05:19 PM »
I've said before, I'm very happy to countenance the existence of a Creator.  To me, it's a plausible hypothesis.

I've asked a number of questions about this global flood, and no one can respond with anything rational, for obvious reasons.  When something simply doesn't "hold water" at all, in my view, I then will view it as a fable, a story with some roots way back amplified over the years by myth making around a fire at night, and finally written down, much as the story about Gilgamesh.
Sorry — but that’s just F.O.S., buddy.

I address your (and fuzz’s, and Zen’s, and lots of other myopic, interchangeable Whateverists’) silly-ass questions all the time.  Call me “Prometheus”… Rolling that ball up the hill, over and over.

First, let’s dispense with this “Noah sailed around gathering animals” nonsense.

“Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive.” — Gen. 6:20

What you’re ignorant of — like Zen, and fuzz, and the undifferentiated "etc"., with rare exceptions (who usually go on to be saved) — and defiantly determined to remain so;

is that there are three different eras in Earth history.

Pre-Fall (pre “curse”), about which we know virtually nothing.  A favorite scholar of mine speculates it may well have been “dimensionally different” from the 4D environment we now inhabit.

Post-Fall, pre-Flood — probably the pangea that many secular scientists envision.  A different — probably uniformly global, and tropical/subtropical — climate.  This is the configuration at the start of the Flood.  Where the Godless secularist are wrong — because they have the wrong starting presuppositions — is that it took “billions of years” for the continents to drift to their present positions, at the present rate they do now.

It could’ve happened in a matter of weeks.  Sudden, rapid, runaway continental plate subduction, that released the “fountains of the deep”, causing 40 days and nights of rain, repaving the planet with unimaginable tectonic upheaval and masses of magma and mud, rapidly depositing the layers of the geologic column, and encasing the fossil record as if in wet concrete.  After which, the continental plates slowed down to their present rate of drift.  And the Earth settled into its current, Post-Flood, configuration and climate (which includes a single Ice-Age event).

It would’ve been child’s play for a God who spoke the universe into existence the way we speak a thought, to have brought the air-breathing animals (which almost certainly excluded insects, who survived on huge mats of floating vegetation that would’ve been produced by the geologic cataclysm) to Noah.  “Two by two”.

And Zen — if you’re reading this (doubt it — do you read anything we write?  Or just spend your time conjuring pointless objections?) —

you do realize that every one of those that perished in the Flood was determined to die at some point, right?

What you probably don’t know is how wicked those on the earth were at that time.  And they had a “gene pool” problem — there were the progeny produced by fallen-Angelic mischief — the Nephilim.

Those children you mention were destined to grow up to become Godless, heinous, malignantly evil men and women.  And God knew it.

We have entered into a period of similar ubiquitous Godlessness, in which “the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and… every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” (Gen. 6:5)

Christ referred to it with “as in the days of Noah…”.

And God will similarly dispense with those who refuse His gift of salvation, and are self-determined to not embrace their eternal redemption and destiny, in fulfillment of God’s plan for them.

Only He won’t use a Flood this time.

As we are reminded with every rainbow.




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Re: Thou Shall Not Kill: Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2020, 08:13:54 PM »
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Shouldn't a hypothesis be based on some remote semblance of actual evidence?


Hey, fuzz — don’t do that, man.

It makes my eyes roll so far up in my head, I’m afraid they might not come back down.

I’ll issue the same challenge to you that I did to Cincy (and probably have to you, too — right before becoming overcome by the ennui nap):

Please tell me one thing about the idea that microbes evolved into men that you know to be inarguably, irrefutably factual and true.

I’ll hang up and (yawn) listen….

ZZZzzzzzZZZZZzzzZzzz….


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The oft-repeated false premise that "something can't come from nothing" ignores the fact that, ironically, there is no such thing as nothing.  You just have to look harder (and smaller) - there's always something.

Wait — did you just become a theist?

Yes.  God has always been.

Bout time you acknowledged it.




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Re: Thou Shall Not Kill: Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
« Reply #64 on: November 25, 2020, 09:40:36 PM »
Shouldn't a hypothesis be based on some remote semblance of actual evidence?

The oft-repeated false premise that "something can't come from nothing" ignores the fact that, ironically, there is no such thing as nothing.  You just have to look harder (and smaller) - there's always something
It cou,ld be based on just speculation, a what if,  a maybe, a perhaps.  Ideally it would be testable.

A Planck length would be the smallest thing measurable.

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Re: Thou Shall Not Kill: Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
« Reply #65 on: November 25, 2020, 10:03:07 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Thou Shall Not Kill: Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
« Reply #66 on: November 27, 2020, 10:30:22 AM »
I've said before, I'm very happy to countenance the existence of a Creator.  To me, it's a plausible hypothesis.

I've asked a number of questions about this global flood, and no one can respond with anything rational, for obvious reasons.  When something simply doesn't "hold water" at all, in my view, I then will view it as a fable, a story with some roots way back amplified over the years by myth making around a fire at night, and finally written down, much as the story about Gilgamesh.
I think most non-believers are Atheist/Agnostics - We don't believe in God, but also aren't sure if one exists. Is it possible that a God (even one that humans have no awareness of) exists and is the creator of everything?  Sure.  At this point, there is no evidence to support that existence of any god of any of the current religious doctrines.

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Re: Thou Shall Not Kill: Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
« Reply #67 on: November 27, 2020, 10:31:36 AM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Thou Shall Not Kill: Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
« Reply #68 on: November 27, 2020, 11:30:04 AM »

And Zen — if you’re reading this (doubt it — do you read anything we write?  Or just spend your time conjuring pointless objections?) —

you do realize that every one of those that perished in the Flood was determined to die at some point, right?

What you probably don’t know is how wicked those on the earth were at that time.  And they had a “gene pool” problem — there were the progeny produced by fallen-Angelic mischief — the Nephilim.

Those children you mention were destined to grow up to become Godless, heinous, malignantly evil men and women.  And God knew it.

We have entered into a period of similar ubiquitous Godlessness, in which “the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and… every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” (Gen. 6:5)

Christ referred to it with “as in the days of Noah…”.

And God will similarly dispense with those who refuse His gift of salvation, and are self-determined to not embrace their eternal redemption and destiny, in fulfillment of God’s plan for them.

Only He won’t use a Flood this time.

As we are reminded with every rainbow.
I think it's safe to say that whether it's Canaan, the flood, passover, modern-day hurricanes, etc, you are among those who will rationalize any of the killing at the hands of God as justified, so I don't see any reason to continue this discussion.

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Re: Thou Shall Not Kill: Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
« Reply #69 on: November 27, 2020, 11:51:13 AM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

 

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