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gymvol

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Re: This is your democrat party
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2020, 09:58:03 AM »

I guess that means she won't allow herself to own a gun much less get a concealed carry permit.

Isn't that what democrats want for veterans who have PTSD?
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Re: This is your democrat party
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2020, 10:23:49 AM »
Looks like the Dims are siding with Iran over the US on this issue because orange man bad.  By the way, how many Americans does a bad guy like Soleimani have to kill before it's okay to take them out? 

Infinite.
Because no matter what Trump or the military does, it is "wrong".
Note that ANSWER, which was so loud and prominent during the Bush Administration went completely silent during the Obama years (in spite of his ordering of 2300 drone strikes and confessing that he is "pretty good at killing people").
Now they are returning with a vengence.

I think Trump has it right - ignore them and do the right thing.  Because no matter what you do, you will be criticized and denounced for doing it wrong.  If they gave Trump credit for being right just 20% of the time, I'd pay more attention to their criticisms.  But since they oppose whatever it is that Trump has done each and every time, they lose any credibility that they might possibly have.  Since they have been trying to impeach Trump since before he was sworn into office gives their current accusations little credence.

Well said.  Notice that the spin now is that Trump took "the most extreme option" in killing one bad guy along with his entourage.  We're supposed to believe that taking out a missile site on Iranian territory or sinking an Iranian ship (with the associated loss of life) is less extreme?  They can't even lie well.   

A significant portion of the Democrat party lack the self-awareness necessary to be ashamed and embarrassed by their behavior.   

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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2020, 11:06:45 AM »
Well said.

Meh - pretty mediocre regurgitation of the talking points masquerading as original thought.

Notice that the spin now is that Trump took "the most extreme option" in killing one bad guy along with his entourage.

That's not spin, it's coming from the Pentagon.

We're supposed to believe that taking out a missile site on Iranian territory or sinking an Iranian ship (with the associated loss of life) is less extreme?

Does the name Franz Ferdinand mean anything to you?  

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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2020, 11:28:27 AM »
Does the name Franz Ferdinand mean anything to you? 
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Re: This is your democrat party
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2020, 12:01:25 PM »
Quote from: ATexasVol on Today at 10:23:49 AM
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Well said.

Meh - pretty mediocre regurgitation of the talking points masquerading as original thought.

Notice that the spin now is that Trump took "the most extreme option" in killing one bad guy along with his entourage.

That's not spin, it's coming from the Pentagon.

We're supposed to believe that taking out a missile site on Iranian territory or sinking an Iranian ship (with the associated loss of life) is less extreme?

Does the name Franz Ferdinand mean anything to you?  


Anything you can't refute becomes a "rightwing talking point".  It's an excuse for not being able to think for yourself.   The spin, by the way, is coming from the New York Times, not the Pentagon.  They've discredited themselves too many times for me to believe their sources.   

If you think sinking an Iranian naval vessel is a more moderate response, then you are as gullible as they come.  If you think weakness is going to deter the Iranians, you are a fool.   



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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2020, 12:19:58 PM »
Quote from: ATexasVol on Today at 10:23:49 AM

The spin, by the way, is coming from the New York Times, not the Pentagon.

Right, and you think they're making it up.  Gotcha.

They've discredited themselves too many times for me to believe their sources. 
 
If only you held your rightwing thought leaders to anything remotely close to the same standards.  

If you think sinking an Iranian naval vessel is a more moderate response, then you are as gullible as they come.

It's not my opinion, it's the opinion of the NYT's sources at the Pentagon (the one's you think they're fabricating).  

If you think weakness is going to deter the Iranians, you are a fool. 

If you think assassinating Solemaine eliminates our problems with Iran, then you're the fool.  It remains to be seen whether or not it will exacerbate them, so far that's how it appears.  


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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2020, 12:28:45 PM »
principles i live by: 


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If you find a person has lied to you, you have to not only examine everything they offer from that point forward but examine everything they have ever told you- which may require re-set of direction all the way back to the point they lied, you believed it, and you made a decision/chose a direction based on it... it takes too much time and effort, so the best policy is to cut them loose as credible forever after the discovery they lack integrity and their words lack fidelity.


seemingly and often counter to that: 


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just because someone is 'wrong' (not lying but mistaken) doesn't mean they're always wrong.  Just because someone is 'right' doesn't mean they're always right.  it's a lazy person that relies on established trends and those trends more than the facts when making a decision/ determining a course. 



if the media (or fuzz) told me it was raining outside i would investigate for myself before grabbing a raincoat.  however, and because of their character being exposed, if they told me it was raining my very first thought would be "why are they telling me this? what is their gain?"... because they ain't doing it to pass the time- they're doing it for a reason.  it may be a feeble reason or it may be a piece in the puzzle for a bigger picture- or, it may simply be to distract... but make no mistake, there is a reason and that reason has to be investigated if you are to make any type of 'move' based on that.  Sir Winston Churchill said "protect the truth with legions of lies" and once you realize that strategy/tactic is in play, you gotta start acting accordingly.  this 'tactic' is absolutely in play, today, in this nation- and it's as widespread as imaginable.  

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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2020, 12:54:57 PM »
The spin, by the way, is coming from the New York Times, not the Pentagon.

Right, and you think they're making it up.  Gotcha.

Like pretty much everyone else on the left, they are biased partisans, they are anti-Trump, and they will not pass up any opportunity to damage him.  If a similiarly-inclined source comes forward with a story, they will publish it.   You are also a biased partisan and anti-Trump, so every piece of propaganda fits your worldview.  You're also such a media snob that you are incapable of recognizing that Sean Hannity has more journalistic integrity than the Times, WaPo, and CNN.   

They've discredited themselves too many times for me to believe their sources. 
 
If only you held your rightwing thought leaders to anything remotely close to the same standards.  

Unlike you I get exposed to a lot of information from both sides, and I think for myself.  I don't mindlessly regurgitate talking points and inherently trust any of the media.

If you think sinking an Iranian naval vessel is a more moderate response, then you are as gullible as they come.

It's not my opinion, it's the opinion of the NYT's sources at the Pentagon (the one's you think they're fabricating).  

This is where it would be helpful for you to think for yourself, evaluate that opinion given the partisan bias of the source, and ask yourself if it makes sense.  You should also look to history to see if the Iranian reaction would be less had we sunk an Iranian naval vessel.   

If you think weakness is going to deter the Iranians, you are a fool. 

If you think assassinating Solemaine eliminates our problems with Iran, then you're the fool.  It remains to be seen whether or not it will exacerbate them, so far that's how it appears.

No one ever said killing him would eliminate our problems.  But reporting from both sides seem to agree that he was an important figure in their military/terrorism strategy, and losing him is a big blow.  Sinking an Iranian ship would kill a lot of inconsequential sailors that don't need to die.  QS is a bad guy that is responsible for hundreds of American deaths, was in Iraq to plot against our interests (unless you have a WaPo story that said he was in Baghdad on vacation), and deserved to die.   We were within our rights to kill him (he was an enemy combatant, so it wasn't an assassination).   

Trump showed strength when it was needed and restraint when it was appropriate.  He's a good president and a good CIC.  This was a win for the USA, but I bet the Times won't mention that.  


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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2020, 03:09:00 PM »

Like pretty much everyone else on the left, they are biased partisans, they are anti-Trump

Reporting Trump's foibles and crimes doesn't necessarily indicate bias.

and they will not pass up any opportunity to damage him.

You're not actually citing even one single example of when Trump has been treated unfairly.  All you've ever even tried to claim is that they said Trump colluded with Russia, which of course is a lie, all they did was report the fact that he was under investigation for it.  (oh yeah, that's right, you've got the Kathy Griffin thing, I forgot...)

So basically, you've got nothing but self-pitying generalizations with no examples.  

If a similiarly-inclined source comes forward with a story, they will publish it.

Like the Pentagon?

You are also a biased partisan and anti-Trump

I am pro-Trump to the extent he's my favorite Republican, and I've said multiple times I would support him over a surreptitious theocrat like Mike Pence.  He's immensely entertaining, and the only downside I see to him being in office is if he does something REALLY stupid (like start a war or drive the economy into a ditch).  

so every piece of propaganda fits your worldview.

Let's see some examples of propaganda I've been duped by.  

I'm consistently amazed at how you right-wingers feel entitled to make these accusations and never back them up.  

You're also such a media snob that you are incapable of recognizing that Sean Hannity has more journalistic integrity than the Times, WaPo, and CNN. 
 
That's just plain stupid.  And that's not media snobbery, that's intellectual snobbery, and I'm guilty as charged.  Sorry but if the shoe fits... 

This is where it would be helpful for you to think for yourself, evaluate that opinion given the partisan bias of the source, and ask yourself if it makes sense.

Again, your allegation that the Times fabricated the story just isn't persuasive. 

It's perfectly plausible that the Iranians would be more upset at the assassination of a beloved national figure than the sinking of a war ship, and I'm happy to take the Pentagon's word for it.  If that makes me a gullible "fool" in your eyes, then so be it.  It's better than being someone who dismissed every fact that comes there way as "fabricated" just because they don't like it.   

But reporting from both sides seem to agree that he was an important figure in their military/terrorism strategy, and losing him is a big blow. 
 
Nobody else can (allegedly) plot to blow up an embassy?  Nobody in the real world is saying that Solemaine was particularly radical or aggressive, nor is anyone saying how much safer the world is to be rid of such an aggressive actor.  I'm sure that's what you need to believe to justify Trump's impulsive mistake, but they've already replaced him with a similarly minded leader vowing revenge.  

This was a win for the USA, but I bet the Times won't mention that. 

The NYT mentioned the "win" (assassination), but it's still early in the 1st Qtr. and you're already dancing around in the end zone like you won the Super Bowl.   

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« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2020, 03:09:48 PM »
if the media (or fuzz) told me it was raining outside i would investigate for myself before grabbing a raincoat. 

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« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2020, 03:16:01 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2020, 03:35:40 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2020, 10:26:33 PM »
Easy to see why some folks here are defending her. She seems to be a real Patriot. 

https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/10/ilhan-omar-iran-israel-sanctions/


Ilhan Omar Explains Why She Supports Sanctions On Israel, But Not Iran

Democratic Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar attempted to explain Thursday why she supported sanctions on Israel, but not Iran.

Omar is a supporter of the movement to Boycott, Divest, and Sanction (BDS) the state of Israel, but criticized the Trump Administration earlier this week for promising to impose sanctions on Iran, calling it “economic warfare.”


In contrast to her criticism of Israel, Omar has defended the Iranian regime, which is the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism. Omar attacked President Donald Trump last week over his decision to take out Iranian General Qasem Soleimani, calling it a “distraction.”

Omar also warned last week that Iran could threaten Trump properties throughout the world, and that the president could use the opportunity to “provoke war.”


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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2020, 12:29:08 PM »
That's one Democrat. 

She fled her native Somalia to escape a war and spent 4 years in a refugee camp in Kenya.  If she says that the possibility of war causes her stress, who are you to deny it? 

Would YOU vote for her? If you could, of course. 

 

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