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mcwterps1

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Re: The Mueller Coverup
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2020, 05:30:48 PM »
   Now the evidence of corruption and conspiracy to overturn an election is coming to light, but in your truly partisan fashion, you'll ignore the truth. 
Sure is. 

https://time.com/5825061/senate-report-russia-interference/

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Re: The Mueller Coverup
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2020, 05:34:21 PM »
Sure is.

https://time.com/5825061/senate-report-russia-interference/
You do release that there is a large difference in interference and collusion don't you?

You do realize that Russia like the USA tries to influence elections of other countries don't you?


President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: The Mueller Coverup
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2020, 05:36:27 PM »
You do release that there is a large difference in interference and collusion don't you?

You do realize that Russia like the USA tries to influence elections of other countries don't you?
That's where all of this originated. 

If I say I saw you burying something in the woods to the authorities, do you think they'll ignore it, or do you think they'll investigate it?

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Re: The Mueller Coverup
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2020, 05:39:54 PM »
I presume the Russians have interfered with elections for decades, right?  Maybe in 2016 they made a larger effort.  Nearly everyone agrees they tried to influence the election, so as to sew doubt on the outcome and weaken the incoming President.


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Re: The Mueller Coverup
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2020, 05:47:01 PM »
That's where all of this originated.

If I say I saw you burying something in the woods to the authorities, do you think they'll ignore it, or do you think they'll investigate it?
In other words you can not respond to what I actually posted in context.


Once again ''You do release that there is a large difference in interference and collusion don't you?


You do realize that Russia like the USA tries to influence elections of other countries don't you?''

Or do you not realize that the entire charade was trying to find dirt on Trump?



President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: The Mueller Coverup
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2020, 06:01:16 PM »
Psst....

Because he's a crook.

Based on what? His neighbor claiming he buried something in his back yard?

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Re: The Mueller Coverup
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2020, 06:08:31 PM »
Sure is.

https://time.com/5825061/senate-report-russia-interference/

No one is saying they didn't try to sow discord and undermine faith in our election process.   And with the help of their comrades in the DNC, they were highly successful.   

By the way, conservatives have always been wary of the Russians.  In the 2012 election Mitt Romney said they were our #1 adversary, but Obama publicly mocked him saying "the 80s are calling and they want their foreign policy back". 

And of course, there was Hillary's famous "Russia Reset Button".  



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Re: The Mueller Coverup
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2020, 06:11:43 PM »
That's where all of this originated.

If I say I saw you burying something in the woods to the authorities, do you think they'll ignore it, or do you think they'll investigate it?

The answer to your question is it takes more than that to open an FBI investigation if they are following proper procedure.

Comments from a 22-year federal prosecutor, responding to the ignorance of a group called lawfare who are buddies with Comey and Co.:

"This passage exposes their ignorance of the policies and procedures of the Department of Justice and FBI that govern the manner and circumstances under which US citizens can be interviewed by agents of the FBI.  The first rule is that no interviews are allowed except with regard to properly predicated and open investigations.  Agents aren’t allowed to just show up on your doorstep and ask you questions.  They can only get there by following well-established rules and procedures by which they establish a legitimate reason to knock on your door.

The problem with their analysis – and the latter portion of the article which purports to go through all the suspicious facts about General Flynn that were part of the original basis for opening a counterintelligence investigation of him in August 2016 – is that they ignore the FACT that the FBI had conducted a nearly 5-month long investigation of all those scary facts and concluded …… that Gen. Flynn was NOT a Russian agent.

They can’t understand why DOJ did not want “more” investigation in the form of an interview, yet at the same time, they ignore the fact that the FBI had just done 5 months worth of investigation and came up with …. nada — “no derogatory information” to support the basis for which the counterintelligence investigation was opened in the first instance.  The calls with the Russian Ambassador did not change that fact.  Because they did not change that fact, the calls were not a basis upon which the counterintelligence investigation could be prolonged in order to conduct further investigative activity.

If there was a legitimate inquiry to be made about whether Gen. Flynn’s calls violated the Logan Act, then the FBI should have opened a properly predicated criminal investigation naming Gen. Flynn as a subject of the investigation, and violation of the Logan Act as the suspected crime.  They did not do so.  Whether they “could” have done so is irrelevant.  The fact is they didn’t.  And that is how the procedure is designed to work and that is how it does work.  The FBI does not go out interviewing citizens based on a “hunch”.

But, a message came down from “the Seventh Floor” – the offices of Comey and McCabe – to keep open the counterintelligence investigation of Gen. Flynn, so Strzok gave that instruction.  But that was improper under FBI procedures — the investigation had already been determined to be unfounded and directed to be closed.  Delays in completing the paperwork to close the investigation didn’t change that outcome.

What DOJ said Thursday is that there was nothing in the transcripts of the Flynn calls that justified holding that investigation open so the direction to do that was meaningless.  “Open” counterintelligence investigations are not “catch-alls”, where agents just run around doing whatever occurs to them, justifying their actions because there was an “open” investigation.  There must be a connection between the purpose for which the investigation was opened, and the investigative activity that was undertaken.

These procedural problems in what was done leading up to the interview of Gen. Flynn had to then be considered against the backdrop of the notes and reports of those involved that exposed the pretextual nature of the reasons that were put forward to justify the interview.  All that information together — which had not be provided to the defense — made continuation of the case untenable."

highVOLtage

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Re: The Mueller Coverup
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2020, 07:46:04 PM »
This too, I suppose is just typical for the FBI....

<a href="https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/10/devin_nunes_we_cant_find_original_michael_flynn_interview_smmary_its_gone_poof.html">Devin Nunes: 'We Can't Find' FBI's Original Michael Flynn Interview 302 Report, 'It's Gone, Poof'</a>

"Rep. Devin Nunes, ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said Sunday that the original documents summarizing the FBI interview where Micahel Flynn is alleged to have perjured himself are "missing."

"The original report that was used to brief the United States Congress, that report is missing. It's gone, poof, we can't find it," Nunes told Fox Business anchor Maria Bartiromo on Fox News's Sunday Morning Futures."
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Re: The Mueller Coverup
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2020, 07:51:25 PM »
Based on what? His neighbor claiming he buried something in his back yard?

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I had a neighbor claim to the police that I burred ''weapons'' in the woods. once. I asked them to find out where so I could go dig them up. 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: The Mueller Coverup
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2020, 08:39:55 PM »
He lied. He got fired. He went to jail.

All evidence was there from the beginning. 

Now, it's brought back up because Donald has his games. 

This isn't about Flynn. This isn't about the FBI. This isn't about Hillary. This isn't about Obama.

This is about muddying the waters because Biden is the front runner.

A smoke screen. 

And he's counting on American Amnesia to get him through his miserable term, by painting Biden as a criminal. 

Fixed News lays out the foundation, and the sheep follow. 

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Re: The Mueller Coverup
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2020, 09:53:01 PM »
Wow. Everything done by the book and it's all a smokescreen.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/barack-obama-on-michael-flynn-11589148648?mod=hp_opin_pos_3


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Start with prosecutorial violation of the Brady rule, which Mr. Obama knows is a legal obligation that the prosecution must turn over potentially exculpatory evidence to the defense. Yet prosecutors led by special counsel Robert Mueller didn’t disclose that the interviewing FBI agents at the time didn’t think that Mr. Flynn had lied about a phone call with the Russian ambassador.

Worst of all, as a legal matter, is that they never told Mr. Flynn that there was no investigative evidentiary basis to justify the interview. The FBI had already concluded there was no evidence that Mr. Flynn had colluded with Russia in the 2016 election and had moved to close the case. James Comey’s FBI cronies used the news of Mr. Flynn’s phone call with the Russian ambassador as an excuse to interview the then national security adviser and perhaps trap him into a lie.

All of this was moved along politically by leaks to the media about Mr. Flynn’s phone call with the Russian. The U.S. eavesdrops on foreign officials as a routine, but names of innocent Americans on those calls are supposed to be shielded from review to protect their privacy. Yet senior Obama officials have had to acknowledge that they “unmasked” Mr. Flynn’s name and others in their last months in power. Then, what a surprise, news of Mr. Flynn’s call and its contents pop up in the Washington Post. Did someone say “institutional norms”?

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Re: The Mueller Coverup
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2020, 10:21:32 PM »
This is your brain:



And this is your brain on MSNBC:  

He lied. He got fired. He went to jail.

All evidence was there from the beginning.

Now, it's brought back up because Donald has his games.

This isn't about Flynn. This isn't about the FBI. This isn't about Hillary. This isn't about Obama.

This is about muddying the waters because Biden is the front runner.

A smoke screen.

And he's counting on American Amnesia to get him through his miserable term, by painting Biden as a criminal.

Fixed News lays out the foundation, and the sheep follow.


Seriously, you and fuzz are either (a) not paying attention or (b) okay with politically weaponizing our biggest law enforcement agency as long as they go after someone you don't like.   Abuse of power should be a non-partisan issue.   

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Re: The Mueller Coverup
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2020, 11:02:44 PM »
He lied. He got fired. He went to jail.

Obama says he's "getting off scot-free."

That doesn't sound scot-free.


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