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Re: The Kavanaugh Rule
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2020, 01:50:32 AM »
No, but being able to carry on a coherent conversation is. 

(along with understanding what one posts)

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Re: The Kavanaugh Rule
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2020, 08:25:49 AM »
https://www.businessinsider.com/former-bernie-sanders-aides-pressure-biden-to-drop-out-over-sexual-assault-allegation-2020-4?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=sf-bi-main&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR1ZM0_XfF2gsu39g6WuYSOlybGG7YSt4VSBuk_9_F77l4R0dwwCeNmogcc

Prominent Bernie Sanders supporters are calling on Joe Biden to drop out of the 2020 race over Tara Reade's sexual assault allegation


Keep an eye out for increasing coverage on CNN/MSNBC etc.  The DNC would be signaling its intentions.

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Re: The Kavanaugh Rule
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2020, 09:01:34 AM »
Fuzz: So you're saying that MSM treatment of Democrats has been consistent with MSM treatment of Republicans?
I debunked a slanted conclusion with a specific case rather than approach the topic thinking in generalizations.

Ideologically driven people like you and Texie are only looking to have your biases confirmed and your victim-status verified.  You can take a fact like, "Trump has received more negative headlines in the MSM during the first 3 years of his presidency than Obama did," and conclude that the press must therefore have an ideological bias against you.  The possibility never dawns on you that the headlines are (at least attemptedly) accurate, and that their negativity is justified.  You'd rather parse every innocent participle to prove how unfair the world is (that is, when you're not hypocritically accusing minorities of having a victim complex).  

Next you'll say, "yeah, but Biden's not getting the same (equally earned) negative treatment.  When you're shown that, in fact, he is getting negative treatment, including by the supposedly leftist media no-less (while Trump's sexual misconduct goes presently ignored), you disregard these facts as simply insufficient to poke holes in your narrative.  If forced to acknowledge it at all, it's the "Bernie sympathizers" on the left making it happen - there's no "real" intellectual integrity there.  There's always a rationalization for everything, while the truth sits right there in front of you.  Trump's only redeeming trait is that he's entertaining, and he's utterly unfit in every possible way (intellectually, morally, everything you can name) to be POTUS.  His only appeal to the right mainly appears to be that he allows whichever of his minions kiss-up to him the most free rein to deregulate whatever their donors want, and that he's a masterful troll of the left.  

Most on the right here are so hopelessly racked with bias that they have lost touch with reality.  

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Re: The Kavanaugh Rule
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2020, 09:06:59 AM »
It's not ideological , it's fact.
The only thing debunked exist in your highly partisan imagination.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-trump-hatred-coverage/

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Re: The Kavanaugh Rule
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2020, 09:12:40 AM »
I debunked a slanted conclusion with a specific case rather than approach the topic thinking in generalizations.

Ideologically driven people like you and Texie are only looking to have your biases confirmed and your victim-status verified.  You can take a fact like, "Trump has received more negative headlines in the MSM during the first 3 years of his presidency than Obama did," and conclude that the press must therefore have an ideological bias against you.  The possibility never dawns on you that the headlines are (at least attemptedly) accurate, and that their negativity is justified.  You'd rather parse every innocent participle to prove how unfair the world is (that is, when you're not hypocritically accusing minorities of having a victim complex). 

Next you'll say, "yeah, but Biden's not getting the same (equally earned) negative treatment.  When you're shown that, in fact, he is getting negative treatment, including by the supposedly leftist media no-less (while Trump's sexual misconduct goes presently ignored), you disregard these facts as simply insufficient to poke holes in your narrative.  If forced to acknowledge it at all, it's the "Bernie sympathizers" on the left making it happen - there's no "real" intellectual integrity there.  There's always a rationalization for everything, while the truth sits right there in front of you.  Trump's only redeeming trait is that he's entertaining, and he's utterly unfit in every possible way (intellectually, morally, everything you can name) to be POTUS.  His only appeal to the right mainly appears to be that he allows whichever of his minions kiss-up to him the most free rein to deregulate whatever their donors want, and that he's a masterful troll of the left. 

Most on the right here are so hopelessly racked with bias that they have lost touch with reality. 
Best I can tell, ABC and NBC have spent ZERO minutes on the allegations against Biden.  (please correct me if I'm wrong).

I'm happy to give Biden the benefit of the doubt (innocent until proven guilty), but you cannot really think that the MSM has given equal treatment of transgressions of Republicans and Democrats?

My guess is that that if ABC and NBC start covering the Biden allegations, that means that the knives are out and the establishment has determined Biden too senile or unelectable - which means that they'll promote the alleged Biden transgressions to force a brokered convention.







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Virtual Blackout By Networks Regarding Biden Assusations
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2020, 09:35:11 AM »
"ABC and NBC have not even spent one second on the Tara Reade story, however, according to MRC. CBS has devoted a paltry 63 seconds, while PBS gave the story seven minutes. CNN and MSNBC are all-day news networks, so they had more opportunity to cover the story, but they haven’t. MSNBC covered Tara Reade for four and a half minutes in mid-April, and CNN completely ignored the story until Saturday, when it dedicated 14 minutes and 54 seconds to it."

https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/04/28/virtual-blackout-liberal-tv-networks-bury-joe-biden-sex-scandal-n386039

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Re: The Kavanaugh Rule
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2020, 11:26:29 AM »
Best I can tell, ABC and NBC have spent ZERO minutes on the allegations against Biden.  (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Why would I bother to correct you when your mind is sealed shut?  Why are you pretending you consume all of each of these media outlets' content?  Of course they've all covered it.  Here's what ABC said yesterday (not that being right or wrong matters to you):  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/womens-event-biden-navigates-lingering-sexual-assault-allegation/story?id=70403703

I'm happy to give Biden the benefit of the doubt (innocent until proven guilty), but you cannot really think that the MSM has given equal treatment of transgressions of Republicans and Democrats?

You're starting from a false premise - the only way to judge that honestly is for their transgressions to be equal.  How much coverage have all the sexual assault allegations against Trump ever gotten?  I would argue precious little.  Granted, they've been so overwhelmed by all his other scandals and there's only so much time, but still.  In 1998 during the Lewinsky scandal, if I adopted your "logic," then I could have argued that the MSM wasn't giving equal treatment of transgressions of Republicans.  Fortunately, I've been spared your persecution complex.  

You should value accuracy and credibility, rather than always contorting reality into "hidden agendas" in order to protect your ideological identity, which has literally become how you see yourself as a person.  I know you guys would like to believe that you're Christians first, but Limbaughism is your true religion - you're much more devout in your beliefs there.  Rush is God - God is Rush.  And those who say they, "rarely listen to Him anymore," don't even understand their own minds.  

My guess is that that if ABC and NBC start covering the Biden allegations, that means that the knives are out and the establishment has determined Biden too senile or unelectable
 
See?  There's always a rationalization or a conspiracy theory for reality - nothing is as it seems unless it confirms your bias.  Doesn't that trouble you, or are you that lacking in self-awareness?    

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Re: The Kavanaugh Rule
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2020, 11:30:50 AM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: The Kavanaugh Rule
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2020, 12:23:16 PM »
I debunked a slanted conclusion with a specific case rather than approach the topic thinking in generalizations.

Ideologically driven people like you and Texie are only looking to have your biases confirmed and your victim-status verified.  You can take a fact like, "Trump has received more negative headlines in the MSM during the first 3 years of his presidency than Obama did," and conclude that the press must therefore have an ideological bias against you.  The possibility never dawns on you that the headlines are (at least attemptedly) accurate, and that their negativity is justified.  You'd rather parse every innocent participle to prove how unfair the world is (that is, when you're not hypocritically accusing minorities of having a victim complex). 

I have an ideology that I believe in, and you do too of course.   But my ideology does not blind me to the truth, as yours does.  I can see the bias in the MSM, but you can't because it matches your own bias.  You seek confirmation of your biases, and you have found it in your "credible" media.  

As far as us "considering the possibility" that the headlines are accurate with regard to Trump and Obama, you also believed they were accurate with regard to Mitt Romney, John McCain, and George W. Bush.  Apparently you are blind to the fact that the MSM has a bias toward negative reporting about Republicans and positive reporting about Democrats.   Even Mitt Romney, as centrist as he is, had 75% negative media reporting.  Candy Crowley "fact-checked" Romney on stage during a live debate with Obama.   Turns out she was wrong and Romney was right, but her admission of that was too little too late.  You totally dismiss example after example of media bias, but it's the rest of us who are are "ideologically driven".   

Next you'll say, "yeah, but Biden's not getting the same (equally earned) negative treatment.  When you're shown that, in fact, he is getting negative treatment, including by the supposedly leftist media no-less (while Trump's sexual misconduct goes presently ignored), you disregard these facts as simply insufficient to poke holes in your narrative.  If forced to acknowledge it at all, it's the "Bernie sympathizers" on the left making it happen - there's no "real" intellectual integrity there.  There's always a rationalization for everything, while the truth sits right there in front of you.  Trump's only redeeming trait is that he's entertaining, and he's utterly unfit in every possible way (intellectually, morally, everything you can name) to be POTUS.  His only appeal to the right mainly appears to be that he allows whichever of his minions kiss-up to him the most free rein to deregulate whatever their donors want, and that he's a masterful troll of the left. 

Most on the right here are so hopelessly racked with bias that they have lost touch with reality. 

Says the most blindly partisan person on this board.  

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Re: The Kavanaugh Rule
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2020, 01:20:50 PM »
Confirmation bias.  "I hate Trump, so I believe anything and everything I see bad about Trump."

Confirmation bias.  "I really support Trump, so I disbelieve anything and everything bad about Trump."

People now form their views on disparate topics based almost solely on what Trump thinks about them.

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« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2020, 01:58:10 PM »
I have an ideology that I believe in, and you do too of course.  But my ideology does not blind me to the truth, as yours does.

My accusations are always contextualized by examples - in this instance with Roady's "Kavanaugh Rule" in the OP.  

Your accusations against me are never contextualized by anything, and always meander into generalizations about the left, the MSM, etc.  Whenever you actually catch me being ideological, call me out for it at the time so I can properly defend myself.  Funny you're never able to do that.  I can see why you'd be intimidated considering the recent time you tried to call me out for posting a story containing false information but you couldn't actually cite anything that was false, and were forced, once again, to resort to generalizations about the MSM.  

I can see the bias in the MSM, but you can't because it matches your own bias.

I see what you confuse as bias because you can't conceive of Trump actually doing anything wrong, which is an amazing level of denial.   

Candy Crowley "fact-checked" Romney on stage during a live debate with Obama.   Turns out she was wrong and Romney was right, but her admission of that was too little too late.

Happens to both sides all the time.  Roady's "Kavanaugh Rule" has been sufficiently debunked, so you start whining about Romney?  

You totally dismiss example after example of media bias

As usual, you have no examples and can only speak in generalities, which may be smart.  Whenever you muster the courage to call me out for anything, it blows up in your face.  

totally dismiss example after example of 

You mean like the "Kavanaugh Rule?"  I didn't totally dismiss it - I effectively debunked it.  Big difference.  

but it's the rest of us who are are "ideologically driven"

I was answering HK's question - sorry if I struck a nerve.    


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Re: The Kavanaugh Rule
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2020, 02:26:36 PM »
It is interesting, to me, how all of the possible lady VP candidates have come out and said they believe Joe (nearly all anyway, maybe Whitmer has not, yet), even the ones who threw Al Franken under the bus with much less "evidence".

This is a pretty serious charge against Joe.  it's not just harassment, it's not lewd comments, it's not being too touchy feely, it's digital rape, by a US Senator on one of his staff.  The charge could be untrue, I don't know, but it's a lot worse as a charge than some other things folks have mentioned.

The spin that the NYT did some deep investigation and found nothing is obviously pretty inept spin, not to mention being wrong.  So, does Biden take this head on to get it out of the way or see if it dies over time on its own?

Interesting.  If he denies it directly, he's calling the lady a liar, which is dicey.    They may be working out some verbal flexibility on that point saying something like how it may be her truth, but it isn't what happened.

 

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