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katmai

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Re: The Arguments Against Playing College Football Are Nonsensical Garbage
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2020, 12:25:07 AM »
For those college age kids, the risk of dying from the flu or pneumonia are MUCH higher than for COVID.

Conclusion?  We should shut down schools, colleges, and football until and unless we get rid of the flu because they are much more dangerous than Covid  No?




Death is not the only measurement of impact of COVID-19 to a person.  Right now, it looks like there are a lot of lingering issues from COVID-19 that are not present with your normal flu case.   And the issue of asymptomatic spread makes COVID-19 completely unique to the flu.  You can tell when someone has the flu, and you can tell when they are contagious.   If COVID-19 acted in the same way, there would be a lot fewer issues trying to contain the disease.
Schools do close when the spread of the flu gets high enough.
I am not opposed to re-opening schools, but I think you are going to have a difficult time keeping them open and operating normally if your school experiences any type of outbreak.  The same is true for playing football games.  If a team experiences an outbreak, that is going to derail the schedule for everyone, just like baseball.  And you don't have the flexibility to make up games.    

As far as playing football this fall, I agree that I think liability concerns would be the same for all students that colleges are having on campus.  I understand the financial reasons that colleges want to have students on campus, but the financial reward for the Power 5 conferences to play are pretty high as well.   I wonder if the remote hope is that if games are delayed until the spring, there is a possibility that the games could have fans attend, which would make a huge difference financially.  


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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2020, 12:43:01 AM »
So all we need to do is move all football teams to Canada and play all the games there? 
I never thought Canada was the answer; I assumed the NHL has been successful due to confining players and staff and significant testing. Your faculty for thought and reason seems astronomically depleted. 
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https://sports.yahoo.com/nh-ls-path-to-restart-was-safe-smooth-and-completely-out-of-character-194227420.html

Then something strange started to happen: the NHL began to chart its own unique course.
Now weeks and months later, and after checking more than 1,200 players and staff members into the hotels and hub cities of Toronto and Edmonton at the beginning of this week without a single positive COVID-19 test collected, there’s reason to believe that the league that normally takes its cues did it better than its peers.

It is far too early to congratulate the NHL or chalk up anything as a success for Gary Bettman, but when we do look back on this unprecedented moment in sports history, leagues and commissioners will be graded above all else on the health and safety of the players, staffers, and citizens in the regions where schedules will resume.





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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2020, 12:48:33 AM »
Right now, it looks like there are a lot of lingering issues from COVID-19 that are not present with your normal flu case. 

There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of scientific evidence to support that claim at this point.

According to an article from Indian news site The Print, the lingering issues were reported by patients who had severe cases - made up of approximately 20% of those who required hospitalization.  Not sure what that number is, but calling it "a lot" may be an overstatement.  The article mentions it being similar to the after effects of a person recovering from Sepsis, and I would think there have been similar issues from extreme cases of the flu.

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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2020, 01:01:33 AM »
I never thought Canada was the answer; I assumed the NHL has been successful due to confining players and staff and significant testing. Your faculty for thought and reason seems astronomically depleted.
Being in an area that doesn't have many cases (i.e. Canada not the US), is the biggest factor in avoiding infection, which is why the NHL chose to play in Canada.   

Good luck confining college players under any circumstances for an entire season.  

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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2020, 01:44:36 AM »
Yeah, not too many cases in Toronto.  Above 15,000 now.
40,000+ in Ontario; 60,000+ in Quebec.

My sister-in-law in Toronto and says it has been really bad there....

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2020/08/02/coronavirus-updates-covid-19-canada-ontario-toronto-gta-aug-2-2020.html

From August 2:
The City of Toronto is reporting 14 new infections Sunday, bringing the total to 15,401. There were no new deaths reported, 82 are still in hospital and 24 more have recovered, for a total of 13,945.

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« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2020, 01:56:51 AM »
From MIT Technology Review:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/08/11/1006366/immunity-slowing-down-coronavirus-parts-us/

Population immunity is slowing down the pandemic in parts of the US

SNIP:
The large number of people already infected with the coronavirus in the US has begun to act as a brake on the spread of the disease in hard-hit states.

Millions of US residents have been infected by the virus that causes covid-19, and at least 160,000 are dead. One effect is that the pool of susceptible individuals has been depleted in many areas. After infection, it’s believed, people become immune (at least for months), so they don’t transmit the virus to others. This slows the pandemic down.

“I believe the substantial epidemics in Arizona, Florida and Texas will leave enough immunity to assist in keeping COVID-19 controlled,” Trevor Bedford, a pandemic analyst at the University of Washington, said on Friday, in a series of tweets.


What is known is that after rising at an alarming pace starting in May, new cases of covid-19 in Sun Belt states like Florida have started to fall. Some of that may be due to social distancing behavior, but rising rates of immunity are also a factor, according to Youyang Gu, a computer scientist whose Covid-19 Projections is among 34 pandemic models tracked by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“Immunity may play a significant part in the regions that are declining,” says Gu. At least until the fall, which is how far his models look forward, he says, “I don’t think there is going to be another spike” of infections in southern states. 


“When the disease itself causes herd immunity, it does so more efficiently than when we give out vaccine at random,” Marc Lipsitch, a public health modeler at Harvard University, told the political pundit Bill Kristol last week during a podcast interview. As a result, “there is discussion” about whether viral transmission could be reduced more quickly than generally believed, he says.

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Re: The Arguments Against Playing College Football Are Nonsensical Garbage
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2020, 11:07:51 AM »

[img width=234.5 height=270]https://i.imgur.com/pEQyMFB.png[/img]

Sorry, I was more asking for a link/source,  but worded it poorly.

A couple of thoughts:
  • Freopp.org (now that I found the source) states on their site: Anyone can publish on Medium per our Policies, but we don’t fact-check every story. For more info about the coronavirus, see cdc.gov.
  • Second,  the story admits that their 200k total CV death, which the above chart is based on, comes from a highly criticized study.  The CDC estimates up to 197k deaths by the end of August, which leaves 1/3 of the year left.
  • Third, like with opening schools, the concern isn't children dying because it's true that they rarely do.  The concern is how easily CV transmits from person to person and the fact that children 10+ appear to transmit it at least as well as adults.  You also have the risk of again overwhelming hospitals in populous areas, which results in more deaths.

Unlike school itself, sports are an absolute luxury and I see no reason to force kids into dangerous situations for our entertainment.

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« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2020, 11:37:28 AM »


“When the disease itself causes herd immunity, it does so more efficiently than when we give out vaccine at random,” Marc Lipsitch, a public health modeler at Harvard University, told the political pundit Bill Kristol last week during a podcast interview. As a result, “there is discussion” about whether viral transmission could be reduced more quickly than generally believed, he says.
I wish we would see some Herd immunity here. One local city has had a infection rate greater than 1 in 20 and is continuing to have a very high new infection rate. (I am happy our treatments has advanced to the point deaths are down and continuing to trend in that direction) The same is true of other areas/cities of Pa.  This is the summer and people are going outdoors a lot.

As a note it is of interest, and I am sure there is some reasons for it that I have not thought of and/or has not come to light yet, is that the NBA has not had any real problems as of yet.

It is also of interest that players have the option of opting out of playing both professionally, in college, etc. They want to play. Let them play. Protocols are in place and can be changed as evidence calls for it.

Most places here still have special hours for the elderly and other high risk groups. However when colder weather hits I expect, unless conditions change, we will loose some restaurants, as outside dining will not be a option and inside dining is limited to 25% (down from 50%). I notice all the fast food places (Wendy's, Burger King, etc.) are still not having inside dining. 
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« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2020, 11:48:22 AM »
I'm surprised that any University still plays football, now that they are all run by genderless White liberal activists. 
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« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2020, 04:23:13 PM »


There is really no scientific data on COVID-19 all we have are reports from Fauci the Fake which have all been wrong because he was using the data from the wrong sources.

What we do know to be fact is that multiple doctors and hospitals used Hydroxychloroquine in the early stages as an effective drug in curing the virus even some democrat politicians.

Also what we do know to be facts the democrats and MSM are lying about the use of it causing thousands of deaths simply because Trump recommended it's use as a possible way to treat it.

So if there is a big fear of players getting the virus put them on a regimen of Hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic to prevent getting it.  It's a safe drug that's been used for decades.  

What we have are bunch of damn liberal naysayers wringing their hands while pissing their pants who can't see beyond the end of their big nose who won't attempt to solve a problem.

If everyone is thinking alike then somebody isn't thinking.

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« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2020, 05:56:24 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2020, 07:34:02 PM »
Sorry, I was more asking for a link/source,  but worded it poorly.

A couple of thoughts:
  • Freopp.org (now that I found the source) states on their site: Anyone can publish on Medium per our Policies, but we don’t fact-check every story. For more info about the coronavirus, see cdc.gov.
  • Second,  the story admits that their 200k total CV death, which the above chart is based on, comes from a highly criticized study.  The CDC estimates up to 197k deaths by the end of August, which leaves 1/3 of the year left.
  • Third, like with opening schools, the concern isn't children dying because it's true that they rarely do.  The concern is how easily CV transmits from person to person and the fact that children 10+ appear to transmit it at least as well as adults.  You also have the risk of again overwhelming hospitals in populous areas, which results in more deaths.

Unlike school itself, sports are an absolute luxury and I see no reason to force kids into dangerous situations for our entertainment.
Let's go to the most recent numbers from the CDC: you can check them here:

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

0-4 age:
COVID:                  26
Flu & Pneumonia:  195

5-14:
COVID:                 23
Flu & Pneumonia: 139

15-24:
COVID:                  242
Flu & Pneumonia:   392

25-34:
COVID:                 1,133
Flu & Pneumonia:  1,447

35-44:
COVID:                 2.290
Flu & Pneumonia:  3,110

45-54:
COVID:                 7,721
Flu & Pneumonia:  7,957


If you want to dispute the CDC data, go ahead.

But I haven't seen us shut schools and the economy at large in the past during flu season.










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« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2020, 11:30:48 PM »
Let's go to the most recent numbers from the CDC: you can check them here:

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

0-4 age:
COVID:                  26
Flu & Pneumonia:  195

5-14:
COVID:                23
Flu & Pneumonia: 139

15-24:
COVID:                  242
Flu & Pneumonia:  392

25-34:
COVID:                1,133
Flu & Pneumonia:  1,447

35-44:
COVID:                2.290
Flu & Pneumonia:  3,110

45-54:
COVID:                7,721
Flu & Pneumonia:  7,957


If you want to dispute the CDC data, go ahead.

But I haven't seen us shut schools and the economy at large in the past during flu season.

I'm not going to dispute the CDC data.  I will point out that annual deaths from the flu are estimated.  For example, in any given year there are between 6k and 10k ACTUAL reported deaths from the flu.  The data is extended out, based on a variety of calculations, to come to a final number of around 35k TOTAL on average  in most years. CV19 has already legitimately killed over 100k in 9 months.

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« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2020, 11:47:59 PM »
CV19 has already legitimately killed over 100k in 9 months.

Over 50% in nursing homes.  A majority in a handful of states that forced infected elderly patients leaving hospitals to re-enter the nursing homes, spreading the disease to elderly, vulnerable with a majority having severe Vitamin-D deficiency.  Which is why the death rate in New York is 7.25% and New Jersey is 8.32%.  Meanwhile, the death rate in Tennessee is 1.02%.

The death rate for healthy adults with no pre-existing conditions has been minimal.  
While the flu numbers may be a 10-year average, the number of Covid deaths for those under age 60 have been less than that of a normal flu season.  So if you compared versus a bad flu season, the ratios would be even lower.

Yes, be careful.  Isolate the vulnerable.  Wash your hands thoroughly and often.  But until herd immunity is achieved, the alternative is to be in lockdown for the next 3 to 5 years?  Because that is basically the only other alternative.  And the numbers of excessive deaths from suicides, opioid overdoses, diseases that weren't detected in time as people didn't get checkups far outnumbers the number of dead from covid - especially for those under age 60.






 

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