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Topic: The Arguments Against Playing College Football Are Nonsensical Garbage

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Re: The Arguments Against Playing College Football Are Nonsensical Garbage
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2020, 02:05:53 PM »
If they’re not going to play football they damn well sure shouldn’t be opening up their campuses. It’s not even in the same universe in terms of potential for an outbreak
Like elementary, middle and high schools, there would have to be some significant accommodations to open safely but there is a possibility to have students attend classes relatively safely.  There really is no possibility, other than Intel bunny suits, for football to be played safely.

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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2020, 02:26:00 PM »
Really? None? How do you know this?

Herd immunity is, of course, not a binary choice. In states like NY and NJ, where new cases are at 8% of their peak value and deaths down to around 1-2% of their peak levels, it's pretty much fully there.

PA is more like 45%/10% right now. If there is "no herd immunity" in PA right now, what do you attribute the very significant drop in cases and deaths to?
If there was herd immunity the number of cases would be much less and not going up as it is in several places here again.

Now Our Gov is a idiot who has chosen winners and looser and used this virus to punish people. Dr. Lavaine what can I say about him oops her oops whatever is also another who said put them in nursing homes, except for the good Doc's mom.

They have increased the restrictions (not to the extreme they once were) here in Pa. again as well as NY and NJ  trying to lower the numbers. There is talk as well once colder weather gets here (Not that far away for us) that  more restrictions may be required

If we had herd immunity my one SIL who is not only a Dr. but a instructor at State College (she also use to work for the CDC) would let us know as would my neighbor who is a administrator in one of the larger medical networks here in Pa., not to mention other friends and relatives in the health field who still say we are at risk for going back to previous rates or higher.

I mentioned these things /\/\/\ to let you know I am not speaking out of my ---,  but with some info. Not as much as I would like to have though. 

The drop in deaths is they have found better ways to treat the disease than they wee in the beginning. Likewise as it is summer people are not staying inside confined with others like they were, which may be a big contributor as well, etc.

I wish the opposite was true, but the reality on the ground here is its not. 

The jocks if they will follow guidelines will be better off playing sports than being back home, if for no other reasons than testing and prompt and very good medical care.



 
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2020, 04:17:51 PM »
Given the ease with which covid spreads, based mainly on proximity/interactions with others, sports where a large number of players are crammed together, and breathing heavily in each other's faces, (football being the prime example) seem like an ideal situation to create an outbreak.


Maybe you should have read the article before commenting.

If there is danger in playing football there certainly us just as much danger having students on campus period. So why aren't we hearing about that instead of just how dangerous it "MIGHT" be to play football?

I'll tell you why it's the millions in lost revenue from tuition and other expenses along with left wing professors being out of a job.

As I posted previously in another post the death rate of those under the age of 25 is almost no existent.

Again from the article:


You know what young, popular, in shape young men go do when they’ve got nothing else to bide their time like a rigorous football program with rules? They socialize. They go to parties. They go to bars. They end up playing sports informally. I could keep going, but you get the point. The idea that any college football player is at some lesser risk by not playing is not just backed by no evidence, it’s counter intuitive on every level.
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Re: The Arguments Against Playing College Football Are Nonsensical Garbage
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2020, 05:02:36 PM »

Maybe you should have read the article before commenting.

If there is danger in playing football there certainly us just as much danger having students on campus period. So why aren't we hearing about that instead of just how dangerous it "MIGHT" be to play football?

I'll tell you why it's the millions in lost revenue from tuition and other expenses along with left wing professors being out of a job.

As I posted previously in another post the death rate of those under the age of 25 is almost no existent.

Again from the article:


You know what young, popular, in shape young men go do when they’ve got nothing else to bide their time like a rigorous football program with rules? They socialize. They go to parties. They go to bars. They end up playing sports informally. I could keep going, but you get the point. The idea that any college football player is at some lesser risk by not playing is not just backed by no evidence, it’s counter intuitive on every level.
I read the article and it's clear that the author has a very clear agenda.  It's also very clear that opinion is not well thought out. 

There will be college kids who ignore the dangers of covid.  Of course, those same kids will likely ignore those dangers regardless of where they live.  If they're at home,  they'll party at a local friend's house.  If they're away at college, they'll party at a local friend's house.  My family and two other families get together and drink, swim and party (as much as 40+ year olds CAN party) at least once a month.

However, nothing we do, or college kids will do, compares to the realities of football where kids/coaches are not only piling on top of teammates, but also being flown, by the 10's of thousands, back and forth across the country and literally piling on top of new people, in other states, on a weekly basis.

I appreciate the enthusiasm,  but the author is missing more than he's seeing. This is what we should all expect in today's world of political polarization and confirmation bias.
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2020, 05:14:16 PM »
If there was herd immunity the number of cases would be much less and not going up as it is in several places here again.

Now Our Gov is a idiot who has chosen winners and looser and used this virus to punish people. Dr. Lavaine what can I say about him oops her oops whatever is also another who said put them in nursing homes, except for the good Doc's mom.

They have increased the restrictions (not to the extreme they once were) here in Pa. again as well as NY and NJ  trying to lower the numbers. There is talk as well once colder weather gets here (Not that far away for us) that  more restrictions may be required

If we had herd immunity my one SIL who is not only a Dr. but a instructor at State College (she also use to work for the CDC) would let us know as would my neighbor who is a administrator in one of the larger medical networks here in Pa., not to mention other friends and relatives in the health field who still say we are at risk for going back to previous rates or higher.

I mentioned these things /\/\/\ to let you know I am not speaking out of my ---,  but with some info. Not as much as I would like to have though.

The drop in deaths is they have found better ways to treat the disease than they wee in the beginning. Likewise as it is summer people are not staying inside confined with others like they were, which may be a big contributor as well, etc.

I wish the opposite was true, but the reality on the ground here is its not. 

The jocks if they will follow guidelines will be better off playing sports than being back home, if for no other reasons than testing and prompt and very good medical care.



 
With all due respect, I have no clue why you think being in the "health field" makes one qualified to state to what extent we may be seeing herd immunity kicking in. This is a statistical topic.  Now, if one of these folks was an epidemiologist that would be another story.

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Re: The Arguments Against Playing College Football Are Nonsensical Garbage
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2020, 06:51:17 PM »
For those college age kids, the risk of dying from the flu or pneumonia are MUCH higher than for COVID.

Conclusion?  We should shut down schools, colleges, and football until and unless we get rid of the flu because they are much more dangerous than Covid  No?




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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2020, 07:10:33 PM »
They should play the season and not worry about the covid.  Not one kid would die.  There would probably be  a few that would get sick.  That would be it.  Very similar to the flu.  What you have are people making decesions that are dumber than a box of rocks and are cowards.  There is almost no risk to these kids.  

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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2020, 07:47:54 PM »
Big East is done for fall sports.

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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2020, 07:51:06 PM »
With all due respect, I have no clue why you think being in the "health field" makes one qualified to state to what extent we may be seeing herd immunity kicking in. This is a statistical topic.  Now, if one of these folks was an epidemiologist that would be another story.

Sweden has already proven that herd immunity was they way to go. They didn't shut down now their cases are dropping while other countries are not.

With the Covid-19 we're like the American Indian who had no built up immunity to the diseases the Europeans and will never have any until it's allowed to run it's course as Sweden did by opening the country.

It's an election virus that will disappear from the news cycle because after the election the democrats and MSM will get back to Russian collusion trying to impeach Trump again.

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Re: The Arguments Against Playing College Football Are Nonsensical Garbage
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2020, 11:00:09 PM »
For those college age kids, the risk of dying from the flu or pneumonia are MUCH higher than for COVID.

Conclusion?  We should shut down schools, colleges, and football until and unless we get rid of the flu because they are much more dangerous than Covid  No?



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What is this belief based on?

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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2020, 11:11:17 PM »
What is this belief based on?
Sarcasm.
If the flu is more deadly in the young than Covid, then why aren't schools closed every winter?

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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2020, 11:28:18 PM »
Sarcasm.
If the flu is more deadly in the young than Covid, then why aren't schools closed every winter?
What makes you believe flu is more deadly than covid in any group?
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2020, 11:35:05 PM »
NHL seems to have figured it out.

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/lightning/2020/08/12/nhl-players-association-chief-buoyed-by-0-positive-coronavirus-tests/

NHL Players’ Association chief buoyed by zero positive coronavirus tests

Of 7,245 tests conducted over two weeks, none have returned positive results, the league says.

TORONTO — Zero players testing positive for COVID-19 in the two weeks since NHL teams arrived at their two respective playoff hub cities.
So all we need to do is move all football teams to Canada and play all the games there?  

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« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2020, 11:41:02 PM »
What makes you believe fly is more deadly than covid in any group?

 

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