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Topic: That Trump has the worst luck... another amazing coincidence

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ATexasVol

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Re: That Trump has the worst luck... another amazing coincidence
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2019, 11:22:20 AM »
The FBI sent more armed men to arrest an old man - someone with no history of violence - at his home at 6am than were used to kill Osama bin Laden.  And the state media just happened to be there to film it all?  

They could have just placed a call into Stone’s attorney and he would have turned himself in peacefully.  

This is Fascism.  It should disturb every American.  
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Re: That Trump has the worst luck... another amazing coincidence
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2019, 11:29:32 AM »
The other folks who lied to Congress won't be charged because they can't give information on higher ups in an investigation, simple as that.

This is reality here, not some ideal world.  Mueller is investigating one set of possibilities and if charging Stone can get him information, he'll do it, obviously.  What someone unrelated did that is similar, or worse, is not his purview, obviously.

The more concerning thing to me is whether FISA warrants were obtained illegally, and how often that has happened in the past.
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Re: That Trump has the worst luck... another amazing coincidence
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2019, 11:33:47 AM »
Quote from: fuzzynavol on January 25, 2019, 07:44:47 AM
WASHINGTON (AP) — Roger Stone, a confidant of President Donald Trump, was arrested Friday morning on several criminal charges stemming from the special counsel’s Russia investigation.
Stone is charged in a seven-count indictment with witness tampering, obstruction and false statements about his interactions related to the release by WikiLeaks of hacked emails during the 2016 presidential election. Some of those false statements were made to the House intelligence committee, according to the indictment.
The indictment brought by special counsel Robert Mueller does not accuse Stone of coordinating with the Russian government’s election interference in 2016, the key matter under investigation in the probe. But the indictment lays out in detail Stone’s conversations about stolen Democratic emails posted by WikiLeaks in the weeks before the Republican beat Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton. Mueller’s office has said those emails, belonging to Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, were hacked by Russian intelligence officers.
https://www.wkrn.com/news/trump-associate-stone-arrested-faces-obstruction-charge/1725382239
They finally got him! He will be impeached at sunrise. 
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Re: That Trump has the worst luck... another amazing coincidence
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2019, 11:40:35 AM »
I'm still amused at how many folks don't understand impeachment (I don't mean folks around here, but say on FB or elsewhere).

Someone started arguing with me when I noted that Clinton was impeached.  They claimed he was not because he remained in office.

Pearls to swine?
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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2019, 11:46:57 AM »
Quote from: highVOLtage on January 25, 2019, 08:10:21 AM

And that is because the underlying crime that Mueller is supposed to be investigating never happened.
At this point, I wouldn't bet big money on that. 
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Re: That Trump has the worst luck... another amazing coincidence
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2019, 11:55:21 AM »
I'm not sure what Mueller is investigating.  Originally it related to how the Russians attempted to influence the election.  I have seen rather little in public that relates to their efforts.  I'd be interested in just what they did try to do, and how impactful that was.

So far, I've seen some pretty poor ads in social media and some "bots" who spread misinformation, which pales relative to the billions spent by both campaigns on influencing voters.
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Re: That Trump has the worst luck... another amazing coincidence
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2019, 11:58:01 AM »
I'm curious how CNN knew beforehand about the arrest and was able to be there before the  arrest.
I have no idea...lol
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Re: That Trump has the worst luck... another amazing coincidence
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2019, 12:40:22 PM »
He looks believable when he talks. 

I think the indictment is clear though. 
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Re: That Trump has the worst luck... another amazing coincidence
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2019, 01:16:43 PM »
Quote from: katmai on January 25, 2019, 11:46:57 AM
At this point, I wouldn't bet big money on that.

I'd take that bet. Mueller is doing a lousy job building a case to prove a conspiracy, because none of the Special Counsel indictments make the case that Trump colluded with Russia to interfere in the 2016 election. They're all either process crimes (Stone, Flynn, Papadopoulos), unrelated to the election (Manafort), or unrelated to the Trump campaign (Russian bot farms). Taken as a whole it gives a false impression that something is there, but patchworking disparate charges does not prove a conspiracy when it never existed to begin with and none of the individual indictments involve conspiracy. This is a show trial/investigation designed to justify the appointment of a Special Counsel based on a crime that never occurred.
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Re: That Trump has the worst luck... another amazing coincidence
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2019, 04:04:39 PM »
At some point, Mueller will need to come up with charges:

1.  Against an American
2.  Related to election malfeasance with Russians
3.  Related to the Trump campaign.

If at the end, all he has are unrelated charges, it will appear to many to have been a side show with little focus on the original reason for being.

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Re: That Trump has the worst luck... another amazing coincidence
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2019, 04:43:52 PM »
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Re: That Trump has the worst luck... another amazing coincidence
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2019, 05:30:44 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 25, 2019, 04:04:39 PM
At some point, Mueller will need to come up with charges:

1.  Against an American
2.  Related to election malfeasance with Russians
3.  Related to the Trump campaign.

If at the end, all he has are unrelated charges, it will appear to many to have been a side show with little focus on the original reason for being.


https://youtu.be/kUdHm_85Nd8
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Re: That Trump has the worst luck... another amazing coincidence
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2019, 06:54:41 PM »
Quote from: highVOLtage on January 25, 2019, 09:58:29 AM
Incriminate others for what exactly?

And what about equal application of the law. It's okay to not charge people for lying to Congress (Holder, Clapper, Comey, et al), unless it is used for leverage when federal prosecutors want to go after someone "up the chain" who they dislike personally or politically?
Bingo!!!!!
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Re: That Trump has the worst luck... another amazing coincidence
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2019, 06:55:57 PM »
IF Mueller ends up with no charges against Americans for election fraud, or something related to Russians, his efforts are going to look pretty bad to many folks.  That was his primary job.

Now maybe he comes up with that in the fullness of time, but I have yet to see any evidence in public that makes that appear likely.

He might charge Bill with that half a million speech he gave in Russia when his wife was Sec State, but I doubt it.
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