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Topic: That Google Manifesto Story

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OrangeAfroMan

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That Google Manifesto Story
« on: August 06, 2017, 07:06:41 PM »
Hold up, I don't want to discuss if it's a real story or not.
Don't care if the guy is right or wrong.
Don't want to have the debate over gender concerning anything, really.


One phrase jumped out at me, and maybe someone can help me understand better:  "alienates non-progressives"


A non-progressive.  I don't get it.  If someone is smart enough to know that progress happens, whether you approve of it or not, then what in the hell sense does it make to consider yourself a "non-progressive"?!?


Why be against progress?  Even if you're a 60 year old white male, why be against progress?  Why, if you know it's in vain?  Why, even if you've stuck your head in the sand and don't want to be part of reality?


Help me understand.
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ELA

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Re: That Google Manifesto Story
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2017, 07:37:23 PM »
If you view "progressive" as the label on a viewpoint, and not an acknowledgement that it is actually progress.

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Re: That Google Manifesto Story
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2017, 08:19:10 PM »


This thread should be moved over to the off topic board.


http://www.cfb51.com/index.php?board=143.0


Nip this wrong board crap in the bud, before it's too late!






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Re: That Google Manifesto Story
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2017, 08:43:10 PM »
If you view "progressive" as the label on a viewpoint, and not an acknowledgement that it is actually progress.

In the context, it sounds simply like he's an overall 'non-progressive' as in he wishes time froze in 1958 (at least socially).
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Re: That Google Manifesto Story
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2017, 08:59:34 PM »
 What we really need here in Chicago are some tougher gun laws. That will solve everything. So far, so good.
 
Maybe I’ll give Tax Hike Mike or Poppy Taxwinkle a call tomorrow. They make a ton of appearances out here in the N/NW burbs where the tax base lives (NOT).
 
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Re: That Google Manifesto Story
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2017, 10:11:36 PM »
Are you suggesting progress is trying one failed idea over and over again?  Because no.
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Re: That Google Manifesto Story
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2017, 11:25:22 PM »
In the context, it sounds simply like he's an overall 'non-progressive' as in he wishes time froze in 1958 (at least socially).
I'm just speaking to the label in general.  As I understood your question.

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Re: That Google Manifesto Story
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2017, 12:32:19 PM »
One phrase jumped out at me, and maybe someone can help me understand better:  "alienates non-progressives"

A non-progressive.  I don't get it.  If someone is smart enough to know that progress happens, whether you approve of it or not, then what in the hell sense does it make to consider yourself a "non-progressive"?!?

Why be against progress?  Even if you're a 60 year old white male, why be against progress?  Why, if you know it's in vain?  Why, even if you've stuck your head in the sand and don't want to be part of reality?

Because being a "progressive" has nothing to do with "progress", as it were. It is a political label for people with a certain very specific end goals in mind. Namely, progressing America to a much more socialist economic system than we are today, if not all the way there.

You can very easily be "non-progressive" while being in favor of progress.

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Re: That Google Manifesto Story
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2017, 07:02:32 AM »
Thanks for explaining it to them.  The "Progressive" agenda has NOTHING to do with progress.

Because being a "progressive" has nothing to do with "progress", as it were. It is a political label for people with a certain very specific end goals in mind. Namely, progressing America to a much more socialist economic system than we are today, if not all the way there.

You can very easily be "non-progressive" while being in favor of progress.

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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2017, 08:18:34 AM »
yup... these clowns use names to obscure activities... bills like the "Affordable Health Care Act" aka ObamaCare should really be titled "tax on poor via middle class" or better yet "that isn't your doctor's finger anymore" bill. 


or how about the Trans Pacific Partnership (for trade)?  As if that wasn't LOADED with all kinds of things that should scare even the most limousine liberal in New York and only parts of it concerning 'trade'. 


I recall a few years ago though I can't remember specifics a bill that had to do with gun control but was called something entirely different- and when the usual suspects argued against it the other side- the one's who named it and presented it- used the title as a blunt object saying (as an example) "that mean ol republican just voted against little puppies and sunshine!!!!"...


which is why I'm all about not allowing items in a bill that don't directly relate to the topic/title.  porking those things out with unrelated items has go to stop.

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Re: That Google Manifesto Story
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2017, 11:32:04 AM »
I understand all of that, but I don't believe he was using the word progressive in its political meaning.


I think he's a person who fears change (progress).  I may be way off on this, but idk.
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Re: That Google Manifesto Story
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2017, 12:52:56 PM »
then the simple answer is he doesn't view it as progress. or doesn't think that the moving from the status quo is for the better
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Re: That Google Manifesto Story
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2017, 03:43:51 PM »
I understand all of that, but I don't believe he was using the word progressive in its political meaning.


I think he's a person who fears change (progress).  I may be way off on this, but idk.

I haven't read it, so I can't put it in context from where you're getting that specific thing about "alienates non-progressives".

But you have to assume another context... He works at Google, in the San Francisco Bay Area, and is surrounded by left-leaning folks everywhere he turns. Silicon Valley skews young, rich, and liberal. I can't imagine anyone circulating a memo like that having ANY other use for the term "progressives" than its political meaning.

And I say "political" in not necessarily the true political or public policy sense, because I believe that politics is often a matter of tribal association / signaling. I.e. not that he's referring to "progressives" as being in favor of socialism. But that "progressive" describes a wider group and their beliefs on social issues. I have to think he was referring more to the social issues here than the economic aspects of progressivism.

 

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