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ATexasVol

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Re: Thanks a lot, JG...
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2021, 09:57:29 PM »
I agree that herd immunity depends on vaccinations.   Not sure where you're getting your information, but according to your Biden administration, half of the adults in this country have had at least one shot.   Since 90+ effectiveness is achieved within 3 weeks of the first shot, a huge chunk of our population should already be mostly immune from the disease.   

Furthermore, since the elderly and those with comorbidities have been prioritized, the most vulnerable of our population should already be protected.  In other words, we should've already achieved herd immunity.   

Do you disagree?  

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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2021, 10:28:03 PM »
If you're speaking to me... and at risk of sounding aggressive...

What I think is there are a lot of folks who figure themselves to be informed about infectious diseases but who should check their sources.

I also think the last and maybe only thing to come as collaborated and honorable effort from "leaders" and the CDC is "Two weeks to flatten the curve" and in effort to protect medical infrastructure. 

I've a friend in ICU who likely won't make it.. covid... ive another who spent ten days in ICU, went home, just to go back for five more with kidney complications with covid.  It's real, I've no doubt.  I think wearing masks is just as dangerous as the illness- not done properly and causing respiratory illnesses and which is called covid. 

What I think that is the hardest to say, here, is there are those among us who- seemingly strong and vibrant- or aging and weakened by other ailments- are more susceptible than others and some it passes right through... herd immunity? Those are the survivors.  Its hard to say but it's the fact of the matter.  It's a matter of chance? It's not fair? 

A vaccine will help?  Will it hurt? Don't know.. we, by my reckoning, don't know enough about it.  We can pretend we do and read the propaganda that tells us we're informed and good subjects, or, we can throw caution to natural selection and take our chances.

Whats the angle? What's the best thing to do? .... be free men and choose for ourselves. Thats my opinion.  Its worth that alone and won't by me a shot of water. 

I dont trust a fucking thing the govt or the media says.  Notta.  I DO trust the community preparing for epidemic and pandemic response prior to the politicalization of all of this... and, they're scratching their heads.  Never let a good crisis go to waste.  Fuck you, your family, your friends and your community- this illness that was designed in a Chinese laboratory is instead being leveraged for the gain of those seeking to control every aspect of our existence- providing protection to the designers of the vaccine and remaining less than transparent with the impacts on those taking it. 

Think about it.  This disease strikes every single person randomly in seriousness.... yet you're going to allow an injection that serves everyone the same?  How is that possible? 

I degress... I went out of bounds there.  Herd immunity is not dependent on a vaccine.  Its dependent on those resistant naturally to be the vehicle for mutation as it passes through them and others amd hands off to those susceptible,  getting weaker as our immunity increases.  That requires socializing it, not hiding from it. 

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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2021, 09:08:32 AM »
I don't know the specific percentage, and doubt it's knowable (depends on which people get it - rural vs. urban, etc.).  Needless to say, the more vaccinated, the greater the likelihood of herd immunity. 

(sorry to spoil your gotcha)
When does the shot run out?

When does your immunity from having it run out?

What about the new strains?  


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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2021, 09:32:30 AM »
A vaccine will help?  Will it hurt? Don't know.. we, by my reckoning, don't know enough about it.

Maybe you should stop "reckoning" and start listening to actual experts.

We can pretend we do and read the propaganda that tells us we're informed and good subjects

This is dangerous paranoia - everything in life doesn't have to fit a sinister conspiracy theory.  

Herd immunity is not dependent on a vaccine.  




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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2021, 09:57:16 AM »
Herd immunity is NOT dependent on a vaccine.

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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2021, 01:09:26 PM »

Well Fuzz you're the head moron for stupid is as stupid does.  :dink:

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Yale Epidemiologist: More than Half of New COVID Patients Have Been Vaccinated 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/yale-epidemiologist-half-new-covid-patients-vaccinated-video/
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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2021, 01:54:08 PM »
Well Fuzz you're the head moron for stupid is as stupid does.  :dink:

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Yale Epidemiologist: More than Half of New COVID Patients Have Been Vaccinated

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/yale-epidemiologist-half-new-covid-patients-vaccinated-video/
Yep and they walk around like they could take 4 slugs from a .357

Someone I know got it 5 weeks after the second dose after going a year before vaccination without getting it. 

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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2021, 04:21:39 PM »
Herd immunity generally is estimated to be around 70%, that would be some combination of folks with resistance from having COVID and those vaccinated.  The first shot gives you about 65% protection, the second bumps it to around 90%.

That 90% means that 1,000 people unvaccinated might be say 50 cases of COVID, and the 1,000 vaccinated would be expected to get 5 cases.

Israel is pretty far along and has a dramatic drop in case rates.

COVID-19 dynamics after a national immunization program in Israel | Nature Medicine

One key metric is how many are hospitalized.  You could get COVID after being vaccinated, but thus far, nobody has been hospitalized with it.

I have a friend in Marseille, a biology professor, who was just admitted to ICU yesterday.  He's not in good shape, about 45 years old.

We'll need to get under 16s vaccinated soon if possible.  That is a fairly large cohort, along with those refusing to take it.  The longer this persists the greater the odds of it developing into something worse.

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« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2021, 04:49:16 PM »
The longer a virus persists the weaker it becomes, generally speaking... yet, this one being genetically modified it doesn't follow the same trajectory or rules.  

The guy I mentioned in ICU has been there for a couple weeks now.  He was a healthy guy, somewhat recently retired as an officer in the naval service. I wouldn't have guessed he would be tanked by this.  The other guy I mentioned has recovered and reports 85-90%. He is my age and healthy as a horse- a police officer, martial arts and firearms instructor.  Neither obese, both active and in remarkable shape, and both slapped stupid by thos thing.  And.... both wore masks outside of the home.  

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« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2021, 05:11:23 PM »
The variants are not becoming more lethal, from what I can gather, just more contagious.

Mask wearing of course is to protect others, not you.  It's why a surgeon wears one during surgery.

Some folks with a very active immune system are hit very hard by it, "cytokine explosion".  My kid in Texas got it pretty bad a year ago.

Herd immunity is reached when R naught drops well below unity.  Then an infected person becomes unlikely to infect anyone else.  He might encounter say 50 people before he feels sick, maybe, and if none are resistant he could infect 2-3-4.  If 40 are resistant, he might infect 0-1.




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« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2021, 05:38:30 PM »
the purpose for wearing a panty over your face is:

  • a) to protect against inhalation if particulates carrying virus
  • b) to protect others from virus originating from you and seeking to attach to a particulate and pass into their respiratory system and perhaps infecting them.
  • c) to demonstrate willingness to conform to government sponsored propaganda no matter how ridiculous.
  • d) to make a political statement aka 'virtue signal'. 
  • e) both C and D

again, there are countless 'experts' on infectious control since last March.  Shit, y'all, I didn't know a doctorate could be had so quickly!


 

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« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2021, 05:43:23 PM »
The reason is simple, and the same reason a surgeon wears a mask in the operating room.

It's not to protect the surgeon.

To me, it's a minor deal, not some nefarious "mind control" gig, just a small thing.  This is akin to the notion Bill Gates was putting tracking chips in the vaccines.

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« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2021, 06:19:52 PM »
the purpose for wearing a panty over your face is:

  • a) to protect against inhalation if particulates carrying virus
  • b) to protect others from virus originating from you and seeking to attach to a particulate and pass into their respiratory system and perhaps infecting them.
  • c) to demonstrate willingness to conform to government sponsored propaganda no matter how ridiculous.
  • d) to make a political statement aka 'virtue signal'.
  • e) both C and D

again, there are countless 'experts' on infectious control since last March.  Shit, y'all, I didn't know a doctorate could be had so quickly!


 
This virus size is a lot smaller than the holes most mask. It slows down rate the transmission, but does not prevent it. 

 



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