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Topic: Tennessee Bill Would Ban All Abortions After an Unborn Baby’s Heartbeat Begins

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DunkingDan

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Tennessee lawmakers are considering a new bill that would protect unborn babies from abortion as soon as their hearts begin beating.

Fox 17 News reports state House lawmakers moved House Bill 0108, sponsored by Rep. James Van Huss, R-Jonesborough, to committee last week.
The bill “requires fetal heartbeat testing prior to an abortion and prohibits abortions from the point a fetal heartbeat is detected except in certain medical emergencies.” It requires that women be offered the opportunity to view or hear her unborn baby’s heartbeat.
It also allows women to sue the abortionist if she does not receive the required information or receives false information.
Many years ago, scientific research established that an unborn baby’s heart starts beating around 21 days after conception – usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. Many sources on fetal development report this, though others link to evidence that the heartbeat begins at about 18 days. Late last year, researchers at the University of Oxford found evidence that an unborn baby’s heart may begin beating even earlier – by 16 days after conception, according to the Daily Mail.
Only recently have Tennessee lawmakers been able to introduce new measures to protect life and restrict abortion. In 2000, the Tennessee Supreme Court ruled 4-1 that the state constitution allows unlimited abortion. The ruling prohibited common-sense measures like informed consent, waiting periods, and legislation to prevent coerced abortion from passing through the Tennessee legislature.
 
However, on November 4, 2014, Tennessee voters approved Amendment 1, which returns authority for abortion regulation to the people of Tennessee and their state legislators.

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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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This is exactly what I've been a proponent of and what makes sense.  When you have a heartbeat, you're alive.  We shouldn't be in the habit of ending life for convenience.

fuzzynavol

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Looks like the yahoos in the Tennessee state legislature are about to waste a lot of taxpayer money in an attempt to defy the Supreme Court.  

The heart starts beating way too early (3-4 weeks after fertilization) and is an arbitrary organ to choose with no logical basis.  It pumps the blood around the body.  Big deal.  

The supremely relevant organ is the brain - that's where consciousness and experience (like suffering) take place.  

DunkingDan

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Looks like the yahoos in the Tennessee state legislature are about to waste a lot of taxpayer money in an attempt to defy the Supreme Court.  

The heart starts beating way too early (3-4 weeks after fertilization) and is an arbitrary organ to choose with no logical basis.  It pumps the blood around the body.  Big deal.  

The supremely relevant organ is the brain - that's where consciousness and experience (like suffering) take place.  
At 18 days the heart starts forming, the eyes start to develop, at 21 days the ehart is working pumping blood, at 30 days the brain I working at 40 days brain waves can be monitored at 42 days the brain is controlling muscle movement and the organs the child responds to stimuli and is known to feel pain at this point. AT just 9 weeks the hands can grasp objects, the child has already perfected many maneuvers such as backflips, kicks etc. At 10 weeks he can squint, swallow, frown. At 11 weeks the child starts urinating, smiling among many other facial expressions. This is all occurring during the first trimester
 
Every abortion terminates a beating heart, brain waves,
 
No living being can become anything else besides what it already is. Another scientific fact, not theory.
 
A living beings designation to a species is not determine by a stage of development, but by the sum total of its biological characteristics. Another scientific fact not theory  
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Stupid yahoos!!! Just because a living being has a heart beat doesn't mean it's life is worth saving.
Don't you think you're too smart to be living amongst such stupid yahoos?
Ever consider moving back to where you came from?

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Looks like the yahoos in the Tennessee state legislature are about to waste a lot of taxpayer money in an attempt to defy the Supreme Court.  

The heart starts beating way too early (3-4 weeks after fertilization) and is an arbitrary organ to choose with no logical basis.  It pumps the blood around the body.  Big deal.  

The supremely relevant organ is the brain - that's where consciousness and experience (like suffering) take place.  
The heart starts beating way too early (3-4 weeks after fertilization) and is an arbitrary organ to choose with no logical basis.  It pumps the blood around the body.  Big deal.  

What is the single most important thing an medical professional checks to determine if someone is alive or dead?

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I don't know if I've ever quite understood the Right's conventional stance on abortion.

1) Guns exist.  Abortion exists.

2) Outlawing guns doesn't remove guns from Earth.  Outlawing abortion will not remove abortion from earth.

3) Outlawing guns means guns will be sold in back alleys.  Outlawing abortion means abortions will be performed in back alleys.

4) Guns don't kill people - people do.  Abortions don't kill people - people do?

No?  Where did I go wrong.

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I don't know if I've ever quite understood the Right's conventional stance on abortion.

1) Guns exist.  Abortion exists.

2) Outlawing guns doesn't remove guns from Earth.  Outlawing abortion will not remove abortion from earth.

3) Outlawing guns means guns will be sold in back alleys.  Outlawing abortion means abortions will be performed in back alleys.

4) Guns don't kill people - people do.  Abortions don't kill people - people do?

No?  Where did I go wrong.
A very good point and, despite the possibility that you are correct, I still don't think you end life for convenience, even though it appears to make society better if you do:
Abortion and crime: who should you believe?
May 15, 2005 @ 11:44am
by Steven D. Levitt



Two very vocal critics, Steve Sailer and John Lott, have been exerting a lot of energy lately trying to convince the world that the abortion reduces crime hypothesis is not correct. A number of readers have asked me to respond to these criticisms. First, let’s start by reviewing the basic facts that support the Donohue-Levitt hypothesis that legalized abortion in the 1970s explains a substantial part of the crime decline in the 1990s:
1) Five states legalized abortion three years before Roe v. Wade. Crime started falling three years earlier in these states, with property crime (done by younger people) falling before violent crime.
2) After abortion was legalized, the availability of abortions differed dramatically across states. In some states like North Dakota and in parts of the deep South, it was virtually impossible to get an abortion even after Roe v. Wade. If one compares states that had high abortion rates in the mid 1970s to states that had low abortion rates in the mid 1970s, you see the following patterns with crime. For the period from 1973-1988, the two sets of states (high abortion states and low abortion states) have nearly identical crime patterns. Note, that this is a period beforethe generations exposed to legalized abortion are old enough to do much crime. So this is exactly what the Donohue-Levitt theory predicts. But from the period 1985-1997, when the post Roe cohort is reaching peak crime ages, the high abortion states see a decline in crime of 30% relative to the low abortion states. Our original data ended in 1997. If one updated the study, the results would be similar.)
3) All of the decline in crime from 1985-1997 experienced by high abortion states relative to low abortion states is concentrated among the age groups born after Roe v. Wade. For people born before abortion legalization, there is no difference in the crime patterns for high abortion and low abortion states, just as the Donohue-Levitt theory predicts.
4) When we compare arrest rates of people born in the same state, just before and just after abortion legalization, we once again see the identical pattern of lower arrest rates for those born after legalization than before.
5) The evidence from Canada, Australia, and Romania also support the hypothesis that abortion reduces crime.
6) Studies have shown a reduction in infanticide, teen age drug use, and teen age childbearing consistent with the theory that abortion will reduce other social ills similar to crime.
These six points all support the hypothesis. There is one fact that, without more careful analysis, argues against the Donohue-Levitt story:

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http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf

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The heart starts beating way too early (3-4 weeks after fertilization) ...

Sorry that you don't like to see life developing so quickly in a mother's womb.

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What is the single most important thing an medical professional checks to determine if someone is alive or dead?

They check the pulse because it's the easiest, not the most important.  They "pull the plug" even when the heart is still beating because people are "brain dead."  So thanks for making my point.  

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at 30 days the brain I working at 40 days brain waves can be monitored...
 
Every abortion terminates a beating heart, brain waves...
 
An amusing contradiction.  I take it you don't understand that abortions can be performed before the embryo/fetus is 30 days old?  

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Re: Tennessee Bill Would Ban All Abortions After an Unborn Baby’s Heartbeat
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2018, 10:03:00 PM »
"They check the pulse because it's the easiest, not the most important.  They "pull the plug" even when the heart is still beating because people are "brain dead."  

What if someone's brain is still functioning but their heart stops beating?


fuzzynavol

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"They check the pulse because it's the easiest, not the most important.  They "pull the plug" even when the heart is still beating because people are "brain dead."  

What if someone's brain is still functioning but their heart stops beating?

They'll die.  

You can also die if your lungs collapse (or take on water).  So should we commit abortions untill the fetus is born and breathing oxygen into their lungs?  

There are several "important" organs, with the brain being (by far) the most important.  

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Re: Tennessee Bill Would Ban All Abortions After an Unborn Baby’s Heartbeat
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2018, 11:22:46 PM »
How amazing is this? Your 7-week embryo is generating about one hundred new brain cells each minute! And not only is baby's brain becoming more complex, but the heart is too. Also important: Baby's developing a permanent set of kidneys, and arm and leg joints are now forming as well...



https://www.thebump.com/pregnancy-week-by-week/7-weeks-pregnant

 

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