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Topic: “Take away the fear of God, and you cannot hire enough police.”

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https://www.youtube.com/embed/YjntXYDPw44

That’s my paraphrase of the summation of this worthy little 90-second vid. 

Clay Christensen actually says “…because if you take away religion, you can’t hire enough police.”

But that’s a misstatement.  Religion, of itself, is worthless.  All of the endless varieties of Whateverism are religions — including the secular-humanist one.  Which worships randomness; whose central tenet is that microbes morphed into men; and whose sacrament is abortion.

Faith is only as good as its object.  Faith in the perverse God of Islam, or the nothingness (nirvana) of Hinduism/Buddhism, or in the mindless belief that “once there was nothing — and then it exploded”, does not lead to freedom.  Either individually or societally.

Only nations that have embraced the Biblical God; and demonstrated reverence for — and fear of — Him, have approached political and individual liberty and autonomy.

And thanks to the ignorant, lying, Godless, tyrannical and authoritarian Left, we are throwing away our liberties as fast as we can.

There are numerous paths to tyranny.

There is only one path to liberty; and it follows societal adherence to God’s laws, engaged and practiced by freedom-loving and voluntarily and volitionally moral people.  

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Re: “Take away the fear of God, and you cannot hire enough police.”
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2020, 11:00:00 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/embed/YjntXYDPw44

That’s my paraphrase of the summation of this worthy little 90-second vid. 

Clay Christensen actually says “…because if you take away religion, you can’t hire enough police.”

But that’s a misstatement.  Religion, of itself, is worthless.  All of the endless varieties of Whateverism are religions — including the secular-humanist one.  Which worships randomness; whose central tenet is that microbes morphed into men; and whose sacrament is abortion.

Faith is only as good as its object.  Faith in the perverse God of Islam, or the nothingness (nirvana) of Hinduism/Buddhism, or in the mindless belief that “once there was nothing — and then it exploded”, does not lead to freedom.  Either individually or societally.

Only nations that have embraced the Biblical God; and demonstrated reverence for — and fear of — Him, have approached political and individual liberty and autonomy.

And thanks to the ignorant, lying, Godless, tyrannical and authoritarian Left, we are throwing away our liberties as fast as we can.

There are numerous paths to tyranny.

There is only one path to liberty; and it follows societal adherence to God’s laws, engaged and practiced by freedom-loving and voluntarily and volitionally moral people. 
Don't you know these views should only occur behind closed doors on Sundays between 11 & 12, and must give way to what the secularist deem appropriate the rest of the week?
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: “Take away the fear of God, and you cannot hire enough police.”
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2020, 11:17:02 PM »
Do you think of Japan as having reasonable law and order?

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Re: “Take away the fear of God, and you cannot hire enough police.”
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2020, 11:18:09 PM »
Japan is not a secular country, if that is what you are asking.

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Re: “Take away the fear of God, and you cannot hire enough police.”
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2020, 11:22:32 PM »
Japan is not a secular country, if that is what you are asking.
I don't think they embraced the Biblical God...

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Re: “Take away the fear of God, and you cannot hire enough police.”
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2020, 07:44:53 AM »
"Only nations that have embraced the Biblical God; and demonstrated reverence for — and fear of — Him, have approached political and individual liberty and autonomy."

So, is this assertion entirely true across the planet?  I would argue even Israel has not embraced the Christian God, right?

Then there are countries like Brazil which are majority Catholic and have pretty significant issues.  I think I'd prefer life in say Turkey to life in Brazil.  Brazil was a bit scary to me.


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Re: “Take away the fear of God, and you cannot hire enough police.”
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2020, 08:23:13 AM »
…because if you take away religion, you can’t hire enough police.”
An appropriate post just before Halloween.  

Fear is the basis of their business model.  

Fear of loss of social status.  Fear of social and familial ostracization.  Fear of death.  Fear of damnation.  

And the OP's case, fear of anarchy.  


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Re: “Take away the fear of God, and you cannot hire enough police.”
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2020, 09:04:53 AM »
I've noted before a correlation (causation being speculative) between countries that advanced significantly after 1500 AD and colonialism.  This isn't of course my own theory.  Western Europe engaged heavily in colonialism, especially Spain, Portugal, France, England, Netherlands, and Belgium.  Italy tried to an extent as did Germany with less success.

Western Europe was basically "on a par" with the Muslim world, the Ottomans in particular, at the time.  The Mongols had dealt a set back to the other middle eastern powers ca. 1300 AD.

And even today, countries that became colonies are mostly still laboring and undeveloped in South American and Mexico.  So, one side got rich, and the other stayed poor., including Africa and India/Pakistan.  China wasn't specifically colonized but was under de facto western control.  Japan remained independent, and made a conscious shift to modernize on the Western model (leading to their own colonialization efforts).

So, was it the influence of Christianity in the West, or wealth accrued by colonialization.  It's interesting that Spain became a super power, and then radically diminished in concert with loss of her colonies.  It became no less Christian during that transition.

And then of course you have some non-Christian nations doing pretty well overall, mostly the ones not colonized.

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Re: “Take away the fear of God, and you cannot hire enough police.”
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2020, 11:16:15 AM »
It was an effective means by which to control a population. 
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Re: “Take away the fear of God, and you cannot hire enough police.”
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2020, 11:55:37 AM »
It was an effective means by which to control a population.
Religion?  It can be obviously, and often has been, whether it relates to the Christian God or something else.

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Re: “Take away the fear of God, and you cannot hire enough police.”
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2020, 12:19:57 PM »


Only nations that have embraced the Biblical God; and demonstrated reverence for — and fear of — Him, have approached political and individual liberty and autonomy.


Importance of religion by country


CountryYes, ImportantNo, Not Important
Estonia16%84%
Sweden17%83%
Denmark19%81%
Czech Republic[a]21%75%
Norway[a]22%78%
Japan24%75%
Hong Kong24%74%
United Kingdom27%73%
Finland[a]28%70%
Vietnam30%69%
France30%69%
Australia[a]32%68%
Netherlands[a]33%67%
New Zealand[a]33%66%



State of World Liberty Index


Rank
1 New Zealand
2  Switzerland
3 Ireland
4 Finland
5 Canada
5 Australia
5 Luxembourg
5 Denmark
5 Netherlands
10 Sweden
10 Norway
« Last Edit: October 19, 2020, 12:26:38 PM by ZenMode »

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Re: “Take away the fear of God, and you cannot hire enough police.”
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2020, 12:32:21 PM »
I wonder where Russia would fit on those scales.  The Tsars relied on religion to help suppress the people, and it resulted in both the Tsars being gone as well as official sanction of religion.

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Re: “Take away the fear of God, and you cannot hire enough police.”
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2020, 12:37:42 PM »
Importance of religion by country


CountryYes, ImportantNo, Not Important
Estonia16%84%
Sweden17%83%
Denmark19%81%
Czech Republic[a]21%75%
Norway[a]22%78%
Japan24%75%
Hong Kong24%74%
United Kingdom27%73%
Finland[a]28%70%
Vietnam30%69%
France30%69%
Australia[a]32%68%
Netherlands[a]33%67%
New Zealand[a]33%66%



State of World Liberty Index


Rank
1 New Zealand
2  Switzerland
3 Ireland
4 Finland
5 Canada
5 Australia
5 Luxembourg
5 Denmark
5 Netherlands
10 Sweden
10 Norway



"But that’s a misstatement.  Religion, of itself, is worthless.  All of the endless varieties of Whateverism are religions — including the secular-humanist one.  Which worships randomness; whose central tenet is that microbes morphed into men; and whose sacrament is abortion.

Faith is only as good as its object.  Faith in the perverse God of Islam, or the nothingness (nirvana) of Hinduism/Buddhism, or in the mindless belief that “once there was nothing — and then it exploded”, does not lead to freedom.  Either individually or societally."

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Re: “Take away the fear of God, and you cannot hire enough police.”
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2020, 12:39:15 PM »
Yes, the hypothesis appears to be that only Christian nations can have individual liberty and autonomy.

I mentioned some exceptions, on both sides of that, as well as an alternative hypothesis.

 

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