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Topic: Study: No Systemic Evidence of Racism in Police Deadly Shootings

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ATexasVol

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This backs up the Harvard study previously discussed here as well as FBI crime statistics.   


Analyses of Officer-Involved Fatal Shootings in 2015-2016

Is there evidence of a Black–White disparity in death by police gunfire in the United States? This is commonly answered by comparing the odds of being fatally shot for Blacks and Whites, with odds benchmarked against each group’s population proportion. However, adjusting for population values has questionable assumptions given the context of deadly force decisions. We benchmark 2 years of fatal shooting data on 16 crime rate estimates. When adjusting for crime, we find no systematic evidence of anti-Black disparities in fatal shootings, fatal shootings of unarmed citizens, or fatal shootings involving misidentification of harmless objects. Multiverse analyses showed only one significant anti-Black disparity of 144 possible tests. Exposure to police given crime rate differences likely accounts for the higher per capita rate of fatal police shootings for Blacks, at least when analyzing all shootings. For unarmed shootings or misidentification shootings, data are too uncertain to be conclusive.

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Re: Study: No Systemic Evidence of Racism in Police Deadly Shootings
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2018, 07:28:27 PM »
I suspect your confirmation bias has caused you to miss the contradiction (underlined in blue) contained within this obvious propaganda masquerading as an academic report:

Is there evidence of a Black–White disparity in death by police gunfire in the United States? This is commonly answered by comparing the odds of being fatally shot for Blacks and Whites, with odds benchmarked against each group’s population proportion. However, adjusting for population values has questionable assumptions given the context of deadly force decisions. We benchmark 2 years of fatal shooting data on 16 crime rate estimates. When adjusting for crime, we find no systematic evidence of anti-Black disparities in fatal shootings, fatal shootings of unarmed citizens, or fatal shootings involving misidentification of harmless objects. Multiverse analyses showed only one significant anti-Black disparity of 144 possible tests. Exposure to police given crime rate differences likely accounts for the higher per capita rate of fatal police shootings for Blacks, at least when analyzing all shootings. For unarmed shootings or misidentification shootings, data are too uncertain to be conclusive.

I'm sure our resident attorney billy will be glad to explain to you these assertions cannot both be true.


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Re: Study: No Systemic Evidence of Racism in Police Deadly Shootings
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2018, 08:45:47 PM »

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Re: Study: No Systemic Evidence of Racism in Police Deadly Shootings
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2018, 01:36:19 PM »


I emailed the contact listed on the abstract, Joseph Cesario. Here is his reply.


“Thanks for the question. The two statements don't contradict each other in my view. The first sentence states that no positive evidence was obtained for those two types of shootings. The latter sentence provides more detail to the first statement by saying that WHILE there was no positive evidence for racial bias, one should not conclude that there is certainly no evidence that officers are unbiased because the data are uncertain. So there is no positive evidence that officers were showing bias, but we don't have positive evidence for anything when it comes to those latter two types of shootings because of the small number of cases (i.e., it's uncertain). An analogy might be that a drug tested had no side effects, but the drug was only administered to 10 people. So there's no positive evidence of the drug causing side effects, but you'd want to be cautious in stating that you have certainty in that claim because of the few number of cases.”

It appears there is no positive nor negative evidence exists for that very small dataset within the study.
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Re: Study: No Systemic Evidence of Racism in Police Deadly Shootings
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2018, 01:45:55 PM »
Stop confusing Fuzzy with the facts!

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Re: Study: No Systemic Evidence of Racism in Police Deadly Shootings
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2018, 03:25:13 PM »
Stop confusing Fuzzy with the facts!

It is important that facts be used in this discussion. Police officers have been unfairly maligned by grifters who seek political gain from them for a long time. That accelerated with the support of the Obama administration. It has resulted in police assassinations, officers leaving forces, careers destroyed, and an expotentially increased crime and murder rate for citizens.
That the Deacon grifts with this subject doesn’t surprise me. As our resident racist, he can’t help himself.
I sent Joe a link to this discussion but am not sure if he will join us or not. It would be great to get his thoughts on the study.

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Re: Study: No Systemic Evidence of Racism in Police Deadly Shootings
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2018, 04:30:27 PM »
I emailed the contact listed on the abstract, Joseph Cesario. Here is his reply.

Kudo's to you for thinking to do that.  

It appears there is no positive nor negative evidence exists for that very small dataset within the study.

In other words, Texie's post is irrelevant to the point he was hoping to make.  

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Re: Study: No Systemic Evidence of Racism in Police Deadly Shootings
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2018, 06:11:22 PM »
Stop confusing Fuzzy with the facts!
Fuzz does not like facts, especially those that interfere with his flawed attempts at race baiting 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Study: No Systemic Evidence of Racism in Police Deadly Shootings
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2018, 07:16:51 PM »
It appears there is no positive nor negative evidence exists for that very small dataset within the study. 

In other words, Texie's post is irrelevant to the point he was hoping to make.  
Read the abstract. If you need help understanding it ask your son or daughter to help you. From there, carefully read Joe’s email. Once you do that, you will see that Texas’ position is relevant and coincides with the researcher’s findings.
The point the researcher’s were making in the abstract was that a very small subset of the shootings did not have enough data provided to determine either a positive or a negative outcome.
On the other hand, the vast majority of the shootings reflected no bias towards a person’s race.
Now, you first castigated the findings as “propaganda”. The researchers are psychology professors at Michigan State. There was a finding recently that an extremely high percentage of psychologists are liberal. Extremely high. I believe the number was over 90%. I can’t speak for the three authors, however, I find it highly doubtful that it was put together by conservatives.
Your second attempt at disparagement was using a very logical caveat by the researchers on a very small subset of the data to attempt to invalidate the entire sample set and thus the premise of the paper. You failed with that attempt. The very fact that the researchers placed that caveat in their abstract is a good indication of their thoroughness and accuracy in determining that there is no racial bias in police shootings.
Both of your silly attempts show the bias of an extremely limited thinker who consistently shows how out of their depth they are in discussing issues.
But, by all means, please continue on. You reinforce your lack of credibility with every post.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2018, 07:19:31 PM by Nate924 »

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Re: Study: No Systemic Evidence of Racism in Police Deadly Shootings
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2018, 07:38:27 PM »
Fuzzie, in his haste to eek out a point - any point - overlooked the fact that the hypothesis is that police officers are disproportionately killing blacks.  If the data is inconclusive, and doesn't support the hypothesis, then the hypothesis is not supported by that particular study.  And if you have multiple studies that also fail to support that hypothesis, then it's likely that the hypothesis is not true.  
Is that so hard to understand fuzzie?   

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Re: Study: No Systemic Evidence of Racism in Police Deadly Shootings
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2018, 10:50:05 PM »
Racism.....

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MORE ON THE LAWSUIT AGAINST HARVARD: According to the analysis by Duke University economist Peter Arcidiacono, Harvard is not using race merely as a small “plus factor” in admissions. It’s a very large factor.  An Asian-American applicant with a 25% chance of admission would have a 35% chance if he or she were white, a 75% chance if Hispanic and a 95% if African American.  Arcidiacono studied only applicants who are non-athletes and non-legacies in order to take those factors out of the analysis.



 

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