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Topic: Searching... and finding. Here instead of the UT board..

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Re: Searching... and finding. Here instead of the UT board..
« Reply #70 on: September 04, 2019, 01:12:58 PM »
I believe Tennessee has more conference championships than all but two others, and they are right behind UGA.  So, it's fair to consider UT as an SEC traditional power, along with LSU and UF (less so in the distant past) and Auburn.  When folks elsewhere think of SEC teams, that's who they consider.

Alabama is obviously "out there".  Then there is a group including UT.

Missouri and Arkansas have had good runs in the past but not in the SEC (though both have played in CGs).  Texas A&M hasn't been around long enough.  They might be poking up, but killer schedule this year.

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« Reply #71 on: September 04, 2019, 01:30:30 PM »
Good grief Cincy.... UT just finished a 2 year home and home with Oklahoma and will play them again next year.
UT has traditionally played a tough OOC schedule throughout the last 40-50 years.
They've had multiple home and homes with Notre Dame, UCLA, Miami etc.
UT also has future games scheduled with Nebraska.
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« Reply #72 on: September 04, 2019, 01:32:45 PM »
Yeah, as noted, some SEC programs are playing two P5 teams a year OOC.  It gets you noticed.  One even has three for two years in a row, that is starting to be excessive.

I think everyone should play ten P5 level teams a year.

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« Reply #73 on: September 04, 2019, 01:46:46 PM »
Yeah, as noted, some SEC programs are playing two P5 teams a year OOC.  It gets you noticed.  One even has three for two years in a row, that is starting to be excessive.

I think everyone should play ten P5 level teams a year.
I would like 11. 10 conference and at least 1 OOC.
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« Reply #74 on: September 04, 2019, 01:48:12 PM »
I'm OK with ten, that gives you two pastries for a tune up or mid season respite.  Eleven would be better.  Not many play eleven.

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« Reply #75 on: September 04, 2019, 02:06:03 PM »
For some reason UT has never scheduled a Big 10 opponent in regular season that I recall. We've played several Big 10 teams in bowl games but never in regular season....I have no idea why.

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« Reply #76 on: September 04, 2019, 02:11:14 PM »
I've been following Tennessee football for well over a half century and we haven't been the consistent perennial power house most fans pretends we are since General Neyland retired.


If not mistaken UT won more games in the 90's than any other NCAA D-1 team.
I know we had more than anyone most of the decade and we were at worst # 2.
I would call that a consistent  perennial power.

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« Reply #77 on: September 04, 2019, 02:15:03 PM »
Texas A&M hasn't been around long enough.  They might be poking up, but killer schedule this year.

Texas A&M has this inexplicable way of shooting itself in the foot.  They have all the inputs to be a national power, but like squeezing a greased lemon, it always escapes them.

Examples are numerous and wouldn't interest SEC fans, but to name one - if they had stayed in the Big XII for Johnny Manziel's first year, they would have coasted to the NC game.

Would they have won it?  Who knows - but they did beat Alabama that year.

In the long term, I expect the SEC to be another A&M blunder.  Only because they always do it to themselves.

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« Reply #78 on: September 04, 2019, 02:57:53 PM »
I've been following Tennessee football for well over a half century and we haven't been the consistent perennial power house most fans pretends we are since General Neyland retired.

Any of you old enough to remember Bowden Wyatt and single wing football?  Wyatt was mediocre at best and it got him fired.

Then came Doug Dickey the next year who scrapped the single wing and rebuilt the program to one of the best in the country won two SEC titles but high tailed it to his alma mater Florida.

It was turned over to the screen door salesman from Alabama Bill Battle and the only thing that kept him from having a losing record was a QB named Condrege Holloway. But even with the decline by Battles ineptness they still played hard and looked like a good football team.

Battle could not recruit or evaluate players example Randy Wallace who threw wounded duck passes Larry Seviers and Stanely Morgan had to wait for or come back for while the QB on the bench went to the NFL



Then Johnny came marching home because Battle couldn't beat Alabama but he wasn't the savior everyone thought he was.  When he didn't improve the program over what Battle had done and couldn't beat Alabama he wouldn't have lasted five years if he hadn't been a favorite son. He only won three SEC titles in 15 years and has as many bad or mediocre seasons as he did good.

Battle left Majors zero talent. Johhny had to rebuild much like we are having to do now

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« Reply #79 on: September 04, 2019, 03:19:53 PM »
I've been following Tennessee football for well over a half century and we haven't been the consistent perennial power house most fans pretends we are since General Neyland retired.


If not mistaken UT won more games in the 90's than any other NCAA D-1 team.
I know we had more than anyone most of the decade and we were at worst # 2.
I would call that a consistent  perennial power.
http://football.stassen.com/records/compute-request.html

You can sort teams there. Ignore Boise, etc.
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« Reply #80 on: September 04, 2019, 03:50:24 PM »
For some reason UT has never scheduled a Big 10 opponent in regular season that I recall. We've played several Big 10 teams in bowl games but never in regular season....I have no idea why.

Part of this is how the B1G schedules, often 3 OOC games to start the year and then 9 conference games.  SEC teams usually have a pastry before a rivalry game (or off week).  B1G teams rarely play OOC games after September.  You won't find many SEC-B1G regular season matchups for that reason.  There are a few.

A second reason is that the ACC is so close and offers some rivalry type games, UK-UL now, UGA-GT, USCe-Clemson, UF-FSU, often played the last game of the season, perhaps always.  Anyone who wants three pastries of that group can't play anyone else who is P5.

Alabama has signed a H&A series with Wisconsin, something which came as a shock to some here.  (I was surprised myself.)

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« Reply #81 on: September 04, 2019, 04:05:10 PM »
I've been following Tennessee football for well over a half century and we haven't been the consistent perennial power house most fans pretends we are since General Neyland retired.


If not mistaken UT won more games in the 90's than any other NCAA D-1 team.
I know we had more than anyone most of the decade and we were at worst # 2.
I would call that a consistent  perennial power.

Take off the orange colored glasses and face reality in the past fifty years Tennessee has been more a mediocre football program than a power house year in and year out.

 I wish it had been different but it is what it is and I will not lie to myself or anyone else saying we've always have been one the top elite football programs when I know it isn't true.

We had a decade of really good football but we've also had a decade of being mediocre to bad now to worse and the record doesn't show just how bad some of the teams really were. So tell me again how this equates to being a perennial power house.

If you think being Champions of Life is actually a champion then more power to you.

But from the mid fifties to mid sixties we were mediocre at best, from the mid seventies to the late eighties we were mediocre at best, we had a good average in the nineties but it's been down hill since about 2005.

Take a look for yourself and then see if you still think we have always been a perennial power house. 

 The win-loss records say otherwise.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tennessee_Volunteers_football_seasons



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« Reply #83 on: September 04, 2019, 04:18:45 PM »
As I mentioned, Tenn is usually lumped in the LSU-UF-Auburn-UGA among SEC teams.  That's perception, and it's a pretty solid perception.

Miss State is a notch down from that group.  The others are another notch down.  Vandy is at the bottom.  Perception is not reality of course, but it often is more important.

If a team has won the SEC in the past 20 or so years, they are in that upper group, in effect.  Maybe the Vols are fading at the moment, but Alabama faded for a few years too.  Florida was 4-7 recently.  


 

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