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DunkingDan

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Re: Pitch spins on
« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2017, 06:17:35 PM »
whatever makes you feel better. 
You were proven wrong yesterday with actual quotes from doctrine. Nothings changed in it period.
Just as your false allegation trying to brand me as Mormon
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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I also have the same logic you have.  For the most part, it serves me well for navigating this life on earth.  That's all it was intended to do.  It wasn't intended to diagnose, judge, and supercede the message of our Creator.
Well God gave me the ability to use the same logic as it pertains to my "Creator" and I'm using it.  If he didn't want me to use logic, as it pertains to Him, he shouldn't have given it to me, right?

DunkingDan

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the lady doth protest too much...


I think you are right the word they use is Wards. I was tired and in bad need of a nap when I wrote that and did not rack my brain.
 
The Catholic Church as referenced in timelines was the original Church which is the Orthodox Church

for a little more detail see the references below

http://www.truthforsaints.com/Christian_Denominations/Christian_Denominations.html
http://www.truthforsaints.com/Christian_Denominations/denomination_history/denomination_history.html
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Timeline_of_Church_History
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_den1.htm
 
To be very brief the Coptic’s, the Syrian Orthodox, the Oriental Orthodox, the Ethiopian Orthodox, The Russian Orthodox, etc spread outwards before the Great Schism. The Roman Catholic Church was formed at that time and is generally called the Catholic Church. In actual history Rome and the Orthodox Church (Sometimes referred to as Byzantine) had drifted apart on many issues for some time, including Romes view of the Pope.
 
All the branches of Orthodox are essentially interchangeable as they have not changed since day one in their teachings and the service once the Early Church Fathers developed it. Our current priest wrote a series of articles about it (along with several other timely topics) and it is an excellent reflection on why Christ came his death and resurrection as well as its meanings to us.   
 
As the two shared a common bond for so long there are a lot of similarities in the service, but is some of the world views, the Pope they are not even close.
 
I hope this sheds some light for the curious and offers some insight
 
I was raised a Baptist and attended many different denominational churches over the years. The teachings of the Bible and its original meanings makes much more sense than most other denominations as it embraces the original text meanings, what was taught to the disciples and those that followed them in the early church. The use of the culture and the times the different books were written, the fact most of the Old Testament is Christ prophesied and Christ revealed in the New Testament makes many issues much clearer (Ex. Jonah is the story of Christ dyeing descending into hell and teaching and his return to life. It does not matter if it is factual or not but that is the event to come that it points to).   There are things we are not meant to know in this life time, so why bother worrying about them. Get on with the important stuff.  
 
I could go on but…..
 
Sadly the abuse you refer to has occurred in many faiths and excused by many false teachings or just plain pride/stupidity/etc.     
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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You don't become an atheist by chance.  
Well sure you do.  I thought from an atheist perspective, everything is by chance.  From the formation of the universe to the evolution of life to the moment someone dies.  If not by chance then it is by design.

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Well sure you do.  I thought from an atheist perspective, everything is by chance.  From the formation of the universe to the evolution of life to the moment someone dies.  If not by chance then it is by design.
No, you don't. I promise.  In a country of 76% Christians, you generally don't just "become" atheist.

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Well God gave me the ability to use the same logic as it pertains to my "Creator" and I'm using it.  If he didn't want me to use logic, as it pertains to Him, he shouldn't have given it to me, right?
You don't want to be accountable.  You'd rather say it's God's fault for giving you a brain.  That has got to be the pinnacle of millennial thought processing.

I'm going out on a limb here, but if there is any aspect about God that we could possibly relate to - it's that he wants to be loved back.

You're saying he should have made you a mindless droid, or else it's his fault you don't love him.  Well, that wasn't the plan.

I would stop trying to find an escape route.

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No, you don't. I promise.  In a country of 76% Christians, you generally don't just "become" atheist.
No, everything about your life is a matter of chance. You just happen to be one of the 24%.  But you're still just a random statistic. If you're going to be an atheist then own it.

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You don't want to be accountable.  You'd rather say it's God's fault for giving you a brain.  That has got to be the pinnacle of millennial thought processing.

I'm going out on a limb here, but if there is any aspect about God that we could possibly relate to - it's that he wants to be loved back.

You're saying he should have made you a mindless droid, or else it's his fault you don't love him.  Well, that wasn't the plan.

I would stop trying to find an escape route.
If I'm accountable, then why isn't God accountable.  All through my time as a church-goer, I heard how God is "loving and merciful".  Literally thousands of times.  There are a lot of aspects of humans, and all living things, that are "nature" not "nurture", right?  If God is going to dangle eternal damnation over our heads, then why not make a belief in God one of the "nature" things, while still giving us the ability to think, question, doubt, etc in all other aspects of our lives?  Or, if you're not going to make "believing" a nature-think, then at LEAST give us SOMETHING as proof of existence LIKE HE DID IN BIBLICAL TIMES.  Is that too much to ask since eternity is on the line?

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If I'm accountable, then why isn't God accountable.  All through my time as a church-goer, I heard how God is "loving and merciful".  Literally thousands of times.  There are a lot of aspects of humans, and all living things, that are "nature" not "nurture", right?  If God is going to dangle eternal damnation over our heads, then why not make a belief in God one of the "nature" things, while still giving us the ability to think, question, doubt, etc in all other aspects of our lives?  Or, if you're not going to make "believing" a nature-think, then at LEAST give us SOMETHING as proof of existence LIKE HE DID IN BIBLICAL TIMES.  Is that too much to ask since eternity is on the line?
God is accountable to himself.  God didn't say "let's make a deal".  God said "here's the deal".
By focusing on "loving and merciful", again you divulge that you don't want to be accountable.  You want the streets of gold no matter whether you worship or mock.
And guess what - belief in God *is* a nature thing.  The world works to overcome that in your heart.  As time goes by, and as is written, the world becomes more successful.
And finally, you tell me how God can "prove" himself to you.
1) He can't
2) But if he could, you would only love him out of fear of certain damnation, not because you love what is righteous

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God is accountable to himself.  God didn't say "let's make a deal".  God said "here's the deal".

And the deal is that God is going to do nothing to prove his existence AND he's going to design man with the ability to doubt his existence... and then punish man for it?

By focusing on "loving and merciful", again you divulge that you don't want to be accountable.  You want the streets of gold no matter whether you worship or mock. - No, if there were true miracles occurring, like they did in Biblical times, and I still chose to not believe, that's on me.


And guess what - belief in God *is* a nature thing.  - no, it's not. That's why so many people don't believe.

The world works to overcome that in your heart.  I don' even know what that means.  How does the "world" work to overcome my disbelief?

As time goes by, and as is written, the world becomes more successful. - in what way, as it relates to God, is the world "more successful"?

And finally, you tell me how God can "prove" himself to you. - He should know, since he's "all knowing", but some legit miracles (i.e. angels coming down from heaven) would work.
1) He can't - i promise you, if god exists and he WANTED to, he could.  He's GOD.
2) But if he could, if he CHOSES to.  As mentioned above, he can do whatever he wants  you would only love him out of fear of certain damnation, not because you love what is righteous - there's absolutely no way for you to know any of that is true.

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"No, if there were true miracles occurring, like they did in Biblical times, and I still chose to not believe, that's on me."

You're trying to make the rules.  That won't work out for you.

In "Biblical times", you realize many denied Jesus as miracles happened right under their face.  They resented him for it, because they couldn't fit his works inside their logical box.  The same would happen today - no matter what happened.  Blinded eyes wouldn't see then, and they won't see now.

The only thing God could do to prove himself to you - is to disallow the world from penetrating your thoughts, i.e. just make you a vegetable for God.  And that's not the way it works.

You'll believe if you want to.  If you don't, then you don't want to.  You need to come to that realization.
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strange dynamic... some jackalope supposes evolution, seeks to prove it and has the balls to publish it is precisely what happened... it was supposed, and then sought to be proven- cherry picked and ignored the things that should have stopped reasonable men in their tracks... the man himself dispelled the notion prior to his death, but was roundly ignored... 

it all comes down to the pride of man who believes himself a god and is desperate to prove it. 

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it all comes down to the pride of man who believes himself a god and is desperate to prove it.
Right.  And then it all comes down to one little thing that poor little helpless man never can and never will be able to beat.

Death.
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P1tchBlack

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"No, if there were true miracles occurring, like they did in Biblical times, and I still chose to not believe, that's on me."

You're trying to make the rules.  That won't work out for you.

In "Biblical times", you realize many denied Jesus as miracles happened right under their face.  They resented him for it, because they couldn't fit his works inside their logical box.  The same would happen today - no matter what happened.  Blinded eyes wouldn't see then, and they won't see now.

The only thing God could do to prove himself to you - is to disallow the world from penetrating your thoughts, i.e. just make you a vegetable for God.  And that's not the way it works.

You'll believe if you want to.  If you don't, then you don't want to.  You need to come to that realization.

I'm not trying to make the rules, I'm asking why the rules were made the way they were? Why would a "loving and merciful" God design man with the ability to question, reason and NOT believe in Him, put no effort into convincing man that he exists (relative to Biblical times) and then punish man for it.  What specifically did Man do wrong, to warranty punishement, other than to behave EXACTLY as God inteneded?

 

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