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HK_Vol

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Re: Revenge is a dish best served cold...
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2020, 08:11:55 AM »
That's the point.
That Trump hasn't waved his magic wand and cured it yet means that he is inept and he needs to be "doing something" and "be decisive".



The entire thing is funny - but the press expects the President to do the entire first minute....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGscoaUWW2M


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Re: Revenge is a dish best served cold...
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2020, 08:17:54 AM »
The "whistleblower" did not fit the legal definition of a whistleblower.

No problem for Atkinson.  He changed the definition to allow hearsay evidence to qualify.

There is a reason that for over 200 years hearsay is not reliable.

He was a vital part of the coup.

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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2020, 08:55:40 AM »
The "whistleblower" did not fit the legal definition of a whistleblower.

Oh boy, here we go.

No problem for Atkinson.  He changed the definition to allow hearsay evidence to qualify.

Even if the evidence was (extensively corroborated) hearsay, wouldn't it have been Atkinson's obligation to report the allegation to the proper authorities for a proper evidentiary hearing/trial?  You seem to be saying that since Atkinson didn't adjudicate the allegation himself, that he did something wrong and deserved to be fired after 20 years of exemplary, non-partisan service.  

Not that Obama would have ever done anything so patently corrupt, but would you take the same position you would have taken if he had?  While predictable, the partisanship on this matter is absurd.  

There is a reason that for over 200 years hearsay is not reliable.

For almost 2,000 years, Christians are supposed to understand the problem of a man taking revenge:

Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.”

He was a vital part of the coup.

He was doing his job.  Maybe you'll answer - what do you think he should have done with the whistleblower's allegation?  Ignore him, or send him before a firing squad as Trump alluded to?  

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Re: Revenge is a dish best served cold...
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2020, 09:05:06 AM »
Ignore him.

In part because he didn't know what was said, just that someone said that someone said he said something he shouldn't have said.

It turned out, Trump said nothing wrong, certainly nothing impeachable.

So yes, he should have ignored it or at least delved into it with someone who actually took part, like some guy named Donald Trump.

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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2020, 09:18:10 AM »
Ignore him.  In part because he didn't know what was said, just that someone
 
Someone, or multiple people?

said that someone said he said something he shouldn't have said.

Objection.  That's sugarcoating.

It turned out, Trump said nothing wrong

That's just completely biased BS.

So yes, he should have ignored it or at least delved into it with someone who actually took part, like some guy named Donald Trump.

Sadly unintentional, but funny nonetheless.  
"Like any political appointee, the inspector general serves at the behest of the Executive," Burr, a Republican from North Carolina, said in a statement on Saturday. "However, in order to be effective, the IG must be allowed to conduct his or her work independent of internal or external pressure." 

U.S. Senator Charles Grassley, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, demanded a better explanation for Atkinson's firing. 

"Congress has been crystal clear that written reasons must be given when IGs are removed for a lack of confidence," he said. "More details are needed from the administration."

Trump is trying to scare the watchdog community, Adam Schiff, a California Democrat and chairman of the House Intelligence Committee told MSNBC Saturday morning. 

"He's decapitating the leadership of the intelligence community in the middle of a national crisis," he said. "It’s unconscionable, and of course it sends a message throughout the federal government and particular to other inspectors general."

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Re: Revenge is a dish best served cold...
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2020, 09:21:49 AM »
Was firing him illegal?  

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Re: Revenge is a dish best served cold...
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2020, 09:45:37 AM »
"However, in order to be effective, the IG must be allowed to conduct his or her work independent of internal or external pressure."
Except when the IG is part of a major FISA abuse scandal.

Fuzz, I don’t recall you taking this position when Obama used his podium to bully our SCOTUS and others who got in his way. In fact, I recall Obama blocking all of the Fast and Furious documents that were necessary for a full investigation. Where was Fuzz? Silent. Why? Obama was a Dimrat therefore he was above the law and beyond reproach.
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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2020, 09:46:14 AM »
Trump handled him as he should . He fired him. It just took too long.

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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2020, 10:08:33 AM »
Typical God/Christian hating Atheist spouting the Bible out of context in a futile attempt to shame others while showing his ignorance. 

President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2020, 10:13:40 AM »
Except when the IG is part of a major FISA abuse scandal. (Bingo)

Fuzz, I don’t recall you taking this position when Obama used his podium to bully our SCOTUS and others who got in his way. In fact, I recall Obama blocking all of the Fast and Furious documents that were necessary for a full investigation. Where was Fuzz? Silent. Why? Obama was a Dimrat therefore he was above the law and beyond reproach. (Bingo again)

Facts that don't fit the Fuzz agenda.

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Re: Revenge is a dish best served cold...
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2020, 11:49:22 AM »

So Fuzz how do you like the taste?

The stooge is no more a whistleblower than you are conservative.

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 According to a report from RealClear Investigations, the alleged whistleblower is 33-year-old Eric Ciaramella.

Ciaramella is a holdover from the Obama administration and a registered Democrat. He's been accused of leaking like crazy. He worked with Joe Biden, he's a vocal critic of President Trump, and he invited a DNC operative inside the White House to attend meetings. He also helped instigate the investigation into Russia collusion.


(Via RealClear Investigations) 

"He was accused of working against Trump and leaking against Trump,” said a former NSC official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

Also, Ciaramella huddled for “guidance” with the staff of House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, including former colleagues also held over from the Obama era whom Schiff’s office had recently recruited from the NSC. (Schiff is the lead prosecutor in the impeachment inquiry.)

And Ciaramella worked with a Democratic National Committee operative who dug up dirt on the Trump campaign during the 2016 election, inviting her into the White House for meetings, former White House colleagues said. The operative, Alexandra Chalupa, a Ukrainian-American who supported Hillary Clinton, led an effort to link the Republican campaign to the Russian government. “He knows her. He had her in the White House,” said one former co-worker, who requested anonymity to discuss the sensitive matter.

The report claims that federal records show Ciaramella attended a state luncheon with Joe Biden's office back in October 2016. You'll never guess who else was there? Former FBI Director James Comey and former National Intelligence Director James Clapper. You can't make this stuff up. The report says it was strange for Ciaramella, a relatively low-level GS-13 federal employee, to have been there. And it describes Ciaramella's invitation as "unusual," saying it "signaled he was politically connected inside the Obama White House." 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2019/10/30/report-whistleblower-who-complained-about-trumps-call-to-ukrainian-president-n2555644
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Re: Revenge is a dish best served cold...
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2020, 02:15:11 PM »
Typical God/Christian hating Atheist spouting the Bible out of context  
Wait, what?  There's are some "contexts" for god's word, and some contexts where His word doesn't apply?  Do tell!  

Maybe you mean that scripture should only be quoted when it doesn't point out Christian hypocrisy.  

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« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2020, 02:17:27 PM »

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Re: Revenge is a dish best served cold...
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2020, 02:43:59 PM »
Either it was illegal, or it was not.  It should be easy enough to decide which it is.

If it was legal, then it's just folks whining about Trump and how he goes about his business, which is fine, whine away.  Personally I think we have more pressing issues.

 

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