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Topic: President Trump Orders Declassification of Some FISA Court Documents

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ATexasVol

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and all texts from Russia investigation.

"At the request of a number of committees of Congress, and for reasons of transparency, the President has directed the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to provide for the immediate declassification of the following materials: (1) pages 10-12 and 17-34 of the June 2017 application to the FISA court in the matter of Carter W. Page; (2) all FBI reports of interviews with Bruce G. Ohr prepared in connection with the Russia investigation; and (3) all FBI reports of interviews prepared in connection with all Carter Page FISA applications," White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders released in a statement.

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Re: President Trump Orders Declassification of Some FISA Court Documents
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2018, 09:41:21 AM »

As usual the DOJ and FBI will stall releasing the documents citing national security interests but what they are really doing is protecting their buddies like Rosenstein and all the other criminals in their departments.


Trump needs to tell Sessions and Wray release all the documents immediately or have your letter of resignation on my desk by end of business today.
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Re: President Trump Orders Declassification of Some FISA Court Documents
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2018, 10:43:12 AM »
I think the Commander-in-Chief needs to order our Armed Forces to wreck shop.

That's where I'm at on this thing.  America isn't coming back until the toilet is flushed.

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Re: President Trump Orders Declassification of Some FISA Court Documents
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2018, 11:01:39 AM »
I think the Commander-in-Chief needs to order our Armed Forces to wreck shop.

That's where I'm at on this thing.   :098:
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Re: President Trump Orders Declassification of Some FISA Court Documents
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2018, 08:22:39 AM »

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The Justice Department, FBI and Office of the Director of National Intelligence are going through a methodical review and can’t offer a timeline for finishing, said the people, who weren’t authorized to speak publicly about the sensitive matter.

The White House issued a statement on Monday listing material that Trump wants declassified immediately, echoing demands of Republican lawmakers who share his contention that the continuing investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election was tainted by anti-Trump bias well before Robert Mueller was named special counsel to run it.

Among Trump’s demands was the full public release of all text messages concerning the Russia probe by Justice Department official Bruce Ohr and by several former officials, including two who were fired — former FBI Director James Comey and his deputy, Andrew McCabe. One person described the order to release text messages as unprecedented, and another said additional talks will probably be held with the White House over the matter.
What are they trying to hide and why are they trying to hide it?


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Seems to give Trump an opportunity.

T- "have you published that stuff?
Official- "no"
T- "you're fired for insubordination"

Repeat as necessary.

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Re: President Trump Orders Declassification of Some FISA Court Documents
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2018, 09:18:33 AM »

T- "have you published that stuff?
Official- "no"
T- "you're fired for insubordination"

Repeat as necessary.

Trump is being advised that insubordination and delay tactics from the deep state plays better for Republicans than if Trump started strong-arming everything.

This is why you don't see Trump going scorched earth.  He'd love to.

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Re: President Trump Orders Declassification of Some FISA Court Documents
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2018, 09:28:58 AM »
The President ordered the documents declassified if they are redacted then that is insubordination at the highest level and I think he would have no choice but to fire Sessions and others.

Could be his chance to clean house at the DOJ and FBI for once and for all.
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Re: President Trump Orders Declassification of Some FISA Court Documents
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2018, 06:11:53 PM »
Good detail - and explains why Trump instructed only specific pages be declassified....
More at the link.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/carter-page-fisa-redactions-uncovering/

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To compare, the first Page submission was just 83 pages — Jim Comey is a big guy; that wouldn’t make it too far up his wrist. Let’s analyze those 83 pages in order to consider how much the redacted information may bear on probable cause.

Instantly, we find we drop from 83 down to 54 pages. Turns out the package’s last 29 pages are not part of the warrant application at all. They consist of the afore-described FBI certification, the DOJ approval, and a proposed warrant for the judge to sign — nothing to do with establishing probable cause that Page is a Russian asset conspiring against the election.

These 29 pages are very heavily redacted. You’re probably wondering why, because you’ve been led to believe that redactions must involve damning evidence against Page. Well, no.

See, FISA documents are not classified solely because of alleged clandestine doings by foreign operatives. They also set forth the secret authorities the government is granted in order to carry out the surveillance, the manner in which the surveillance is to be conducted, the communications facilities the FBI is permitted to monitor, the methods by which the bureau is permitted to gain access to those facilities, the minimization instructions that must be followed to avoid unauthorized monitoring, and so on.

This information must remain concealed. The FBI and the Justice Department wanted these redactions not because they bear on Carter Page’s activities, but because they relate to intelligence methods. Exposing this information would compromise virtually all of the government’s FISA investigations. Rest assured that, even if President Trump orders the disclosure of some additional details about Page, all this other information about the authorities, procedures, and techniques germane to national-security surveillance will remain blacked out.

So let’s finally turn to the 54-page application. Yes, a great deal of it is blacked out. But that hardly means we are clueless about what most of the redacted information conveys.

Here is the code that you need to crack. The application has numbered paragraphs (with a lot of subparagraphs within them). For the most part, these numbered paragraphs correspond to the sections of the FISA statute that governs FISA applications, Section 1804 of Title 50, U.S. Code. Conforming the paragraphs to the statutory requirements makes it easier for the court to see that all necessary information is included. The requirements are set forth in nine subsections of §1804 — numbered (a)(1) through (a)(9). If you compare the Page warrant application with the statute, you see that paragraph 1 conforms to (a)(1), paragraph 2 to (a)(2), and so on.

Well guess what? Of these nine statutory requirements, only one involves the all-important probable-cause showing: (a)(3). In it, Congress directs the FBI to provide the court with “a statement of the facts and circumstances relied upon” to justify the bureau’s beliefs that (a) the proposed target is an agent of a foreign power and (b) the facilities or places the bureau wants to monitor are being used for the target’s clandestine activities.

None of the other eight sections bear on probable cause. They direct the government to supply: the identity of the applying officer and the target, a statement of the “minimization procedures” the FBI will use to avoid unauthorized monitoring, a description of the nature of the information sought (i.e., foreign intelligence), certifications by high-ranking national-security officials that the government is seeking foreign intelligence, an explanation of how the eavesdropping will be carried out, a recitation of any prior applications related to the target, and a statement of the proposed duration of the surveillance.

That is a lot of non-probable-cause information, and it is heavily redacted. In the first Page application it takes up about 21 of the 54 pages.

That means only 33 of the submission’s 83 pages deal with probable cause, beginning on page 2 and continuing into page 36. Bear in mind, by the way, that these pages often contain fewer than 20 double-spaced lines, with many lines consisting of a sub-heading or just a word or two of text. Contrary to what’s been suggested, we are not talking War and Peace here.

 

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