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P1tchBlack

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Pardoning the wrong person....
« on: April 13, 2018, 01:06:25 PM »
Trump Plans to Pardon Scooter Libby for Perjury in C.I.A. Leak Case

WASHINGTON — President Trump plans to pardon I. Lewis Libby Jr., who as chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney was convicted of perjury in connection with the leak of a C.I.A. officer’s identity, a person familiar with the decision said on Thursday.
Mr. Libby’s case has long been a cause for conservatives who maintained that he was a victim of a special prosecutor run amok, an argument that may have resonated with the president. Mr. Trump has repeatedly complained that the special counsel investigation into possible cooperation between his campaign and Russia in 2016 has gone too far and amounts to an unfair “witch hunt.”
Mr. Libby, who goes by Scooter, was convicted of four felonies in 2007 for perjury before a grand jury, lying to F.B.I. investigators and obstruction of justice during an investigation into the disclosure of the work of Valerie Plame Wilson, a C.I.A. officer. President George W. Bush commuted Mr. Libby’s 30-month prison sentence but refused to grant him a full pardon despite the strenuous requests of Mr. Cheney, a decision that soured the relationship between the two men.
A pardon of Mr. Libby would paradoxically put Mr. Trump in the position of absolving one of the chief architects of the Iraq war, which Mr. Trump has denounced as a catastrophic miscalculation. It would also mean he was forgiving a former official who was convicted in a case involving leaks despite Mr. Trump’s repeated inveighing against those who disclose information to reporters.
Critics of Mr. Trump quickly interpreted the prospective pardon as a signal by the president that he would protect those who refuse to turn on their bosses, as Mr. Libby was presumed not to have betrayed Mr. Cheney. Mr. Trump has not ruled out pardons in the Russia investigation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/12/us/politics/trump-pardon-scooter-libby.html

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Re: Pardoning the wrong person....
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2018, 01:27:47 PM »
No. It is a much deserved pardon that George W Bush should have done before he left office.

The Special Prosecutor, Fitzgerald, prosecuted the wrong person.

It has been established, even admitted by Richard Armitage himself, that Armitage outed Valerie Plame a month before Scooter Lobby even mentioned it to Judith Miller.

Good on Trump for righting the wrong of a previous Special Counsel gone awry..

"On August 28, 2006, Christopher Hitchens asserted that Richard Armitage was the primary source of the Valerie Plame leak and that Fitzgerald knew this at the beginning of his investigation.  This was supported a month later by Armitage himself, who stated that Fitzgerald had instructed him not to go public with this information.  Investor's Business Daily questioned Fitzgerald's truthfulness in an editorial, stating "From top to bottom, this has been one of the most disgraceful abuses of prosecutorial power in this country's history...The Plame case proves [Fitzgerald] can bend the truth with the proficiency of the slickest of pols."

In a September 2008 Wall Street Journal editorial, attorney Alan Dershowitz cited the "questionable investigation(s)" of Scooter Libby as evidence of the problems brought to the criminal justice process by "politically appointed and partisan attorney(s) general".  In April 2015, also writing in The Wall Street Journal, Hoover Institution fellow Peter Berkowitz argued that statements by Judith Miller, in her recently published memoir, raised anew contentions that her testimony was inaccurate and that Fitzgerald's conduct as prosecutor was inappropriate."

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Re: Pardoning the wrong person....
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2018, 01:58:51 PM »

The pardon really does nothing for Libby other than take two convictions off of his record.  He's been living his life normally for a long time.

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Re: Pardoning the wrong person....
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2018, 02:08:16 PM »
If lying to the FBI is a crime shouldn't it be a crime for the FBI to lie to the people? :72:
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Re: Pardoning the wrong person....
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2018, 02:14:40 PM »
The pardon really does nothing for Libby other than take two convictions off of his record.  He's been living his life normally for a long time.

He had his voting rights stripped until restored by the Virginia Givernor in 2013 and his license to practice law was suspended until just recently being reinstated in 2016. Although I guess he didn't "need" the pardon, it was right thing that he got one.

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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2018, 02:17:12 PM »
If lying to the FBI is a crime shouldn't it be a crime for the FBI to lie to the people? :72:

When someone in the FBI lies, it's called "lacking candor" and not really lying..

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Re: Pardoning the wrong person....
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2018, 02:19:54 PM »
He had his voting rights stripped until restored by the Virginia Givernor in 2013 and his license to practice law was suspended until just recently being reinstated in 2016. Although I guess he didn't "need" the pardon, it was right thing that he got one.
I don't disagree. I just think Snowden is the one who really deserves it... if he can even be pardoned before being convicted.

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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2018, 02:23:15 PM »
I don't disagree. I just think Snowden is the one who really deserves it... if he can even be pardoned before being convicted.
Yes, the President can issue a pardon to anyone before being convicted, or even before being indicted.
Ford pardoned Nixon before either happened.

 

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