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Topic: NYT reports that Russia put a bounty on US Soldiers

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fuzzynavol

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Re: NYT reports that Russia put a bounty on US Soldiers
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2020, 07:56:12 PM »
Quote from: HK_Vol on June 30, 2020, 08:12:01 AM
Show me a single Government employee that Trump has fired that has lost his / her job and pension.  
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Re: NYT reports that Russia put a bounty on US Soldiers
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2020, 07:57:22 PM »
It’s not yet clear if or when President Donald Trump heard or read the intelligence report that Russia was paying bounties to Taliban militias for killing U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. But whichever version of the story is true, he and his senior advisers come off looking very bad—immoral, vaguely traitorous, astoundingly incompetent, or all three.

The most hideous version of the story is that Trump heard the report—it is well established that the finding was included in the president’s daily intelligence briefing sometime in February—and, apparently, didn’t care.

A somewhat less heinous, but still appalling, variation is that Trump asked Russian President Vladimir Putin if the report was true, Putin denied it, and Trump took Putin’s word over that of his own spy services. (The two did talk on the phone at least five times in the weeks after the intelligence report.) This wouldn’t be unprecedented. Trump believed Putin when he denied interfering in the 2016 presidential election—and that meant believing the accused over the unanimous verdict of the entire U.S. intelligence community. Since there was reportedly at least one dissenting view of the intel about Russian bounty, Trump may have been even more likely to dismiss the finding.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/us/politics/russian-bounty-trump.html
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Re: NYT reports that Russia put a bounty on US Soldiers
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2020, 11:57:16 PM »
Your NYT's article fails to mention that practically every intelligence agency has denied that there is any conclusive evidence that the story is true.
Are you suggesting that Trump should have nuked Russia on rumors?
I would guess that rumors like this come to the intelligence agencies everyday.
Most rational people would factor in how reliable information printed by the NYT's is.
The NYT's......really?


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Re: NYT reports that Russia put a bounty on US Soldiers
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2020, 12:01:09 AM »
Ya know.  All those Afghanis wouldn't have shot at Americans if the Russians hadn't paid them.
Like no one has paid people to confront other armies.
Like the US didn't provide support to Afghanis when Russia occupied Afghanistan.
Like Iran didn't take the money given to them by Obama to help Hezbollah, etc.
Perhaps the briefers didn't think it a big deal because it has happened all the time over years and decades?


Scott Adams nails it at the 5:30 mark:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0knEnhhQbQ

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Re: NYT reports that Russia put a bounty on US Soldiers
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2020, 12:02:24 AM »
Quote from: fuzzynavol on June 30, 2020, 07:56:12 PM

Wasn't she a political appointee rather than a Government employee?
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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2020, 12:03:22 AM »
Amb. Yavanovich retired from the State Dept with a hefty pension after 33 years employment and then signed a seven, figure book deal.
I wouldn't shed too many crocodile tears over her poverty.
If she were treated the same as other Trump officials she would be in jail for lying to Congress.
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Re: NYT reports that Russia put a bounty on US Soldiers
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2020, 01:24:25 AM »
You guys are obscene.  There's literally nothing that could wake you up to the reality of what Trump is.  
Disgusting.
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Re: NYT reports that Russia put a bounty on US Soldiers
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2020, 01:47:04 AM »
MSM simply "making up" stories to make people look bad?

Van Jones would agree.....If they'll do this to liberal Van Jones, imagine how often it happens to MSM arch-enemy Donald Trump....

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/cnn-van-jones-calls-daily-194108803.html


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CNN’s Van Jones responded Monday to reporting in the Daily Beast that said he “secretly” helped craft President Donald Trump’s police reform initiative, which he then praised on the network. Jones said the story was “based on false, sensational charges.”

Jones, a commentator for the cable news network whose work often focuses on criminal justice reform, said on Twitter the day after the Daily Beast report came out, “This @TheDailyBeast article is based on false, sensational charges — apparently designed to get clicks, shares, and likes. I haven’t even visited DC since before the pandemic started — let alone been inside the White House.”

He tagged editor-in-chief Noah Shachtman and continued, saying he “didn’t know what was in the [executive order] until the day it was released.”


The report said that Jones “attended secret White House meetings with his new friend Jared Kushner, discussing ways to frame the presidential project,” then praised the same police reform initiative he helped craft during subsequent appearances on the network. Reached for comment, a representative for CNN directed TheWrap to Jones’ statements on Twitter.
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Re: NYT reports that Russia put a bounty on US Soldiers
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2020, 08:02:59 AM »
Quote from: roadvol on June 30, 2020, 11:57:16 PM
Your NYT's article fails to mention that practically every intelligence agency has denied that there is any conclusive evidence that the story is true.

This is flat-out false.  It is well-established that the report of the bounty was in a daily intelligence briefing sometime in February.  What is unclear is whether or not Trump read or heard about it.  

Are you suggesting that Trump should have nuked Russia on rumors?

No.  

I would guess that rumors like this come to the intelligence agencies everyday.

Every time Trump's incompetence is exposed, after the denials comes the, "this happens all time."  By days end, Obama will have gotten the same intelligence report, but worse.  

Most rational people would factor in how reliable information printed by the NYT's is.

Like the Wapo, the NYT is certainly fallible.  But these are the among the best news sources in America, and infinitely more credible than the obscure rightwing bloggers you tend to site when trying to substantiate one of your rationalizations.  

The NYT's......really?

Right-wingers love nothing more than the rare instances they get to site the NYT to back up anything they want to say.  
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Re: NYT reports that Russia put a bounty on US Soldiers
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2020, 08:06:44 AM »
Quote from: HK_Vol on July 01, 2020, 12:02:24 AM
Wasn't she a political appointee rather than a Government employee?
Some government employees are appointed (politically).  

Your proper response should have been:  "Thanks, I forgot about her."  



But that would have required your head to explode, wouldn't it?  
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Re: NYT reports that Russia put a bounty on US Soldiers
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2020, 08:09:22 AM »
I don't really see where this story is "well established".  We have accusations and counters to those.  I don't know which to believe, and I'm not sure it matters.

There isn't much Trump could have done about it if it is true, and I can't see why the Taliban needs some financial incentive to try and kill US troops.

How would that work anyway?  The Russians offer say $10,000 per, and the Taliban claims a kill and the Russians hand over cash?  How would anyone know whether or not the US soldier would be targeted anyway?  We had 17 KIA last year, would that figure have been lower without this bounty?

Soldiers accounted for 14 of the Defense Department’s 17 hostile deaths in Afghanistan in 2019, according to Pentagon figures from December. The other three killed last year were Marines. More than 190 U.S. troops were wounded in the country last year.
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Re: NYT reports that Russia put a bounty on US Soldiers
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2020, 09:25:17 AM »
Your NYT's article fails to mention that practically every intelligence agency has denied that there is any conclusive evidence that the story is true.

This is flat-out false.  It is well-established that the report of the bounty was in a daily intelligence briefing sometime in February.  What is unclear is whether or not Trump read or heard about it.  


Would you mind naming the intelligence agency that has confirmed the article is accurate?
A Helping hint : The NYT's is not an intelligence agency
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Re: NYT reports that Russia put a bounty on US Soldiers
« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2020, 09:31:54 AM »
Was there some very recent news that confirms this story as being "well established"?

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Re: NYT reports that Russia put a bounty on US Soldiers
« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2020, 09:41:10 AM »
Perjury doesn't count as a reason for dismissal if you are a Democrat apparently....unethical behavior doesn't count either.  Meanwhile, she's still getting paid each and every month by the US taxpayer via her generous pension....and she wasn't even fired or dismissed at that.....



https://www.cleveland.com/letters/2019/11/amb-yovanovitchs-story-on-ukraine-and-president-trump-is-already-springing-leaks.html



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Oh, darn the luck, Democrats!! Looks like former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch may have lied under oath regarding the email communications she had with a former State Department staffer. From what the email exchange suggested, it is quite clear that there must have been some rehearsal going on regarding her “testimony” before U.S. Rep. Adam Schiff’s secret hearings.







https://nypost.com/2020/05/15/yovanovitch-may-have-misled-congress-over-burisma-knowledge/





Marie Yovanovitch may have misled Congress about her Burisma knowledge





https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/434875-top-ukrainian-justice-official-says-us-ambassador-gave-him-a-do-not-prosecute



SNIP:

Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko told Hill.TV's John Solomon in an interview that aired Wednesday that U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch gave him a do not prosecute list during their first meeting.



“Unfortunately, from the first meeting with the U.S. ambassador in Kiev, [Yovanovitch] gave me a list of people whom we should not prosecute,” Lutsenko, who took his post in 2016, told Hill.TV last week.



https://www.npr.org/2020/01/31/801714623/ambassador-marie-yovanovitch-has-retired-from-foreign-service


Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch Has Retired From Foreign Service






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