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fuzzynavol

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NRA advocacy in action...
« on: October 20, 2018, 10:08:00 AM »
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - Nikolas' Cruz's mom thought he was too disturbed to ever live on his own, but she took him to buy an AK-47 anyway, according to documents released Friday by prosecutors in the Parkland school shootings.
An employee from Gun World of South Florida told detectives that an older woman who he thought was Cruz's grandmother - but likely was his mother, Lynda Cruz - came with him to the Deerfield Beach shop when Cruz bought an AK-47 rifle. He was 18.
That woman later called the store and asked that the gun not be released to him if she wasn't present "because he's just young, and I just want to make sure he's safe and everything," she told the clerk.
But the employee, Kevin Fanti, told her Cruz was 18 and as an adult was legally allowed to pick up the gun unless she believed he was not fit to own one. The woman told Fanti: "No he's fine. I just want to make sure he's safe, you know, he's young, the first gun," he told detectives.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-school-shooter-tormented-his-mother-yet-she-escorted-him-to-buy-an-ak-47/ar-BBOCBDu?li=BBnb7Kz

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"Red-flag" or "gun restraining orders" are "unconstitutional"
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2018, 10:48:36 AM »
Here's another guy that the NRA's legion of goons will defend being allowed to purchase AK47's:

https://www.wkrn.com/news/kentucky/man-arrested-for-threats-that-closed-kentucky-school-system/1536705482

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Re: NRA advocacy in action...
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2018, 11:30:52 AM »
Does Fuzzy know what an assault rifle is? What is the purpose of the 2nd amendment?

Come on Fuzz its your chance to shine
which is the assault rifle and why?

Is it A?





Or is it B?





Come on Fuzz its your chance to shine.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2018, 02:54:48 PM by DunkingDan »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: NRA advocacy in action...
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2018, 08:00:45 PM »
ST. JOSEPH, Tenn. (WKRN) - Police are investigating after a young girl was accidentally shot by her twin brother in Lawrence County. 
According to Lawrence County Sheriff John Myers, the call went out around 3 p.m.  
The twins were in a truck outside a Dollar General in St. Joseph, Tennessee when the 10-year-old girl was accidentally shot in the head/facial area by her twin brother, according to Myers. 

The sheriff said the firearm was in the truck and the boy got ahold of it. 
The girl was flown to Vanderbilt. She reportedly had a heartbeat but her condition is unknown. 
Police are investigating whether another adult was in the car. 
https://www.wkrn.com/news/tennessee-news/girl-accidentally-shot-by-her-twin-brother-in-lawrence-county/1540557599

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Re: NRA advocacy in action...
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2018, 08:06:42 PM »
This seemed to never be a problem before stupid people.

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Re: NRA advocacy in action...
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2018, 09:24:50 PM »
No one is defending Cruz, his mom, the loon in Kentucky, or parents of the child that shot her twin.

Cruz had a troubled past as a juvenile with violent potential yet his mother, local police, nor the local FBI thought enough of his antics to consider him a real threat. Also, the local police nor the local FBI that made many visits to his home bothered to put anything in his file that would prevent him from buying a gun. Cruz and the Loon in KY are over 18, to my knowledge neither were identified as mentally ill prior to their actions which would prevent them from buying a gun, and both must be held accountable for their actions; not the NRA.

Regarding the parents of the child that shot a twin sibling. The parents shouldn’t have had a loaded gun that was easily accessible to children. The tragic death of child and the pain the parents must feel is no laughing matter and isn’t something you Loons should be using for political gain.

Guns are here to stay whether you Loons like it or not. The NRA is here to stay whether you Loons like it or not. The problems you Loons have blaming the NRA for gun deaths is the same problem you’d have if you started blaming Ford or Chevy for deaths caused by drunk drivers. It’s the people at fault dumbass. Not the inanimate object.

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Re: NRA advocacy in action...
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2018, 11:49:24 AM »
 


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« Last Edit: October 22, 2018, 02:53:39 PM by DunkingDan »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: NRA advocacy in action...
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2018, 11:50:26 AM »

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« Last Edit: October 22, 2018, 02:53:15 PM by DunkingDan »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: NRA advocacy in action...
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2018, 12:54:12 PM »
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« Last Edit: October 22, 2018, 02:52:45 PM by DunkingDan »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2018, 01:17:59 PM »
Also, the local police nor the local FBI that made many visits to his home bothered to put anything in his file that would prevent him from buying a gun. Cruz and the Loon in KY are over 18, to my knowledge neither were identified as mentally ill prior to their actions which would prevent them from buying a gun, and both must be held accountable for their actions; not the NRA.

The NRA and all it's supporters should be held morally accountable for opposing "red flag" and "gun owning/purchasing restraining orders."  They knew about Cruz, but their hands were legally tied by the NRA.  Even Texie agrees with me on this (and we all know what a loon he is).  

Regarding the parents of the child that shot a twin sibling. The parents shouldn’t have had a loaded gun that was easily accessible to children. 

This isn't really part of the gun control debate and I've never heard it advocated, but I'm open to the idea that the parent/guardian of those children held legally accountable just as if they'd pulled the trigger.  If you want to own a gun then fine (depending on the gun, right Dan?).  But you'd better be ready to face severe consequences if there's a "tragedy."  

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2018, 02:54:19 PM »
Does Fuzzy know what an assault rifle is? What is the purpose of the 2nd amendment?

Come on Fuzz its your chance to shine
which is the assault rifle and why?

Is it A?





Or is it B?





Come on Fuzz its your chance to shine.
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: NRA advocacy in action...
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2018, 04:03:18 PM »
VolRage = Black and Red
Fuzz = Blue

Also, the local police nor the local FBI that made many visits to his home bothered to put anything in his file that would prevent him from buying a gun. Cruz and the Loon in KY are over 18, to my knowledge neither were identified as mentally ill prior to their actions which would prevent them from buying a gun, and both must be held accountable for their actions; not the NRA.


The NRA and all it's supporters should be held morally accountable for opposing "red flag" and "gun owning/purchasing restraining orders." What are "red flag" and "gun owning/purchasing restraining orders"? What are the qualifiers and limitations? Who would make those decisions? Who would provide oversight to ensure Constitutionality and then checks / balances? They knew about Cruz, Yep and did nothing which is why the Sheriff was FIRED but their hands were legally tied by the NRA. BS Fuzz. That comment is nothing but hyperbole. The NRA has zero authority over local LE or the FBI and you know it. Sadly, that statement could be said on CNN or MSNBC and about 99% of the dumb-asses watching would shake their heads in agreement. Why? Because most people that watch those shows aren't educated enough to know any different and respond to emotions, not intellect, which is what the Democrats rely on. Let's all sing, "Feelings, nothing more than feelings". Even Texie agrees with me on this (and we all know what a loon he is).  BS again. Whatever Tex might have said about the NRA and Cruz, you've taken a ton of liberty with.


Regarding the parents of the child that shot a twin sibling. The parents shouldn’t have had a loaded gun that was easily accessible to children.

This isn't really part of the gun control debate and I've never heard it advocated, but I'm open to the idea that the parent/guardian of those children held legally accountable just as if they'd pulled the trigger.  If you want to own a gun then fine (depending on the gun, right Dan?).  But you'd better be ready to face severe consequences if there's a "tragedy."  Yep. A parent has just lost a child due to their neglect with firearms so lets just pour salt on the wound and put the parent(s) in prison. I'm sure that'll help the healing process. In fact I'd ban the parent(s) from going to the funeral too. Yeah, we've got to really go after those damn gun owners. Isn't that right Fuzz.
It's simple Fuzz, in the presence of children, guns should be in the physical possession of the guns owner at all times. If it's possible for children to get their hands on the gun in the absence of the adult that owns the gun, the guns should be placed in a lock box, safe, or have a trigger lock in the trigger housing. Using any of those three options, the child can't accidentally shoot anyone.
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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2018, 04:14:21 PM »
Just being you're usual libturd self Fuzz.


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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2018, 05:38:57 PM »

What are
"red flag" and "gun owning/purchasing restraining orders"? What are the qualifiers and limitations?  Who would make those decisions? Who would provide oversight to ensure Constitutionality and then checks / balances?
 

Don't act like you or the NRA cares about the answers to those questions.  It's just a way of kicking the can down the street and not taking any action.  If we can have a process for physical restraining orders telling people to stay away from certain places, we can have a process for legally denying people their gun owning privileges.  

That comment is nothing but hyperbole. The NRA has zero authority over local LE or the FBI and you know it.
 
They control the Republican Party, which is all they need to keep red-flag or gun-restraining-orders off the books.  

Whatever Tex might have said about the NRA and Cruz, you've taken a ton of liberty with.

Texie wasn't talking about the NRA or Cruz, but he conceded that gun-restraining orders make sense.  

Yep. A parent has just lost a child due to their neglect with firearms so lets just pour salt on the wound and put the parent(s) in prison. I'm sure that'll help the healing process.
 
I'm not trying to aid the healing, I'm trying to prevent future tragedies by making an example of irresponsible gun owners.  

In fact I'd ban the parent(s) from going to the funeral too. Yeah, we've got to really go after those damn gun owners. Isn't that right Fuzz.

Nope, wrong.  I want to really go after people who are responsible for gun deaths.
   

It's simple Fuzz, in the presence of children, guns should be in the physical possession of the guns owner at all times. If it's possible for children to get their hands on the gun in the absence of the adult that owns the gun, the guns should be placed in a lock box, safe, or have a trigger lock in the trigger housing. Using any of those three options, the child can't accidentally shoot anyone.

You have a firm grasp of the obvious.  Now.  What do we do with gun irresponsible gun owners whose negligence results in the tragic loss of a child's life?  You seem to be arguing that they've suffered enough with the loss of a loved-one's life, which would be one extreme.  I'm arguing that they should be charged as a culpable accessory to murder.  Maybe there's a middle ground - unlike you I'm open to any line of thinking on this.  

 

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