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Re: Never, EVER, paint yourself into a corner...
« Reply #84 on: September 18, 2019, 02:48:44 AM »
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/342375/#respond

MOSTLY, THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES:

 Brett Kavanaugh Breaks the Democrats: Do Democrats not see what’s happening? 

No, they’re too blinded by hate: “The strained efforts by politicians and media outlets to insist that the absence of evidence against Kavanaugh amounts to an indictment of his conduct and character has split the Democratic Party, unified their opposition, energized Republican voters, and sacrificed the credibility of the left-leaning news outlets that dedicated themselves to the promotion of a perfidious narrative over the plain and simple truths of the case. It’s a testament to the impenetrability of the bubble in which they operate that Kavanaugh’s harshest critics don’t seem to recognize how badly this is going for them.”


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Don't misread their strategy. They're not trying to win hearts and minds; they're trying to intimidate.



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Once again the Right completely misses the point. This isn’t about packing the court or the election. It’s about getting this one guy, Kavanaugh, to keep pulling his punches in hopes he can make things right with people who hate him. It’s the John Roberts playbook all over again, and it worked quite well on Kavanaugh himself last year. This man was subject to one of the worst character assassinations in American history, and his response was to move way left the minute he was sworn in. He apparently confided in friends this was on purpose, to “lay low” until the confirmation stuff blew over. Well here he is again. He invited it. The Left took his measure, just as they did with Roberts, and knew he could be had.


And the only Republican who apparently understands this, intuitively, is Donald Trump.






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Re: Never, EVER, paint yourself into a corner...
« Reply #86 on: September 18, 2019, 10:21:43 AM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Never, EVER, paint yourself into a corner...
« Reply #87 on: September 18, 2019, 10:29:56 AM »
Gents, the Babylon Bee, if they have any sense, will soon shift gears into legitimate reporting sans sarcasm, and seize real estate owned by CNN and MSNBC... It's a strange dynamic to be sure... One purports to be "news" and the other "satire", yet there is more honesty in the satire than the seriousness as it is right now. 

Sign of the times?  And this isn't endorsement for Babylon Bee as a news source at all. Its charge against those making that claim in total dishonesty.  

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« Reply #88 on: September 18, 2019, 10:58:37 PM »
I am still amazed that so many of you act so convinced that there is no way that any of the allegations against Kavanaugh could be true.  I am not sure that any of the allegations against Kavanaugh as described would have warranted prosecution back in the 80's, but through the lens of the #METOO movement, they tried to turn him into some violent sexual predator.   I believe that Dr. Blasey Ford was genuinely traumatized by what happened, but I also think that a lot of girls in that same situation would have shrugged it off as a drunken jerk that got a little too aggressive, and not thought anything else about it.  So none of you had friends or classmates that are now completely respectable citizens that acted like total idiots when they drank too much as teens, especially as it related to women?  

Fuzzy is right that Kavanaugh painted himself in a corner by saying that he had never gotten so drunk that he couldn't remember things.  Given the stories written by Mark Judge about the heavy drinking Kavanaugh was involved with, that is almost certainly not true.  However, if he admitted he couldn't remember what he did while drinking, he couldn't deny any charge brought up against him.  Perhaps I just lived in a different world from the rest of you, but I don't remember too many people from my high school and early college years that just wanted to drink a couple of beers because they liked the taste of it.  Most drank to get drunk, and when that happens, the potential for embarrassing actions is pretty high.   The ones that really need to watch it are the teens of today.  If they do something now like Kavanaugh is alleged to have done, it will probably be recorded and posted somewhere for eternity.  

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« Reply #89 on: September 18, 2019, 11:39:44 PM »
It is all about abortion and trying to discredit Kavanaugh, pushing him to the left a la Justice Roberts and as a warning to whomever will replace RBG.

They didn't care about what Kavanaugh did 30 years ago.  They were looking for anything that could possibly keep him off the court.  That her best friend didn't think Ford's allegations credible while suffering immense pressure from her lawyers and supporters tells you all you need to know.  They were quite happy for Leland to lie if it kept Kavanaugh off the bend.  I think that was Ford's motivation.  Especially how they went to incredible efforts to erase Ford's past political views.

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« Reply #90 on: September 19, 2019, 12:09:15 AM »
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/342430/#respond


John Kass gets it: The latest smear against Justice Brett Kavanaugh part of left’s scorched-earth strategy. “The strategy of the left is undeniable and clear. It is about the use of force, about relentless pressure and shame, using media as both handmaiden and the lash. . . . The left’s end game is the delegitimization of the Supreme Court, if justices don’t give them the political outcomes they can’t achieve through legislation.”

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Re: Never, EVER, paint yourself into a corner...
« Reply #91 on: September 19, 2019, 01:00:03 AM »
eh... this is the left's "McCarthy" moment.. making accusations without supporting evidence.  it's pretty much summed up as that.  and what did that lead to?  The populace questioning the 'ruling' party of the day, and an injury they (republican's/conservatives) still feel the repercussions from to this day. 

it's strange, in spite of lesson's learned, the precise opposite is happening today- the left using the court of public appeal and character assassination to steam roll opposition- but that is it and that is precisely it.  

@katmai , Sir, I respect and regard you and your contributions here and wish you would share more.  However, i would feel remiss without offering that "those with a negative perspective of Trump are the only one's buying into the BS surrounding the McCarthy'esque attacks on Kavanaugh".  I hear you loud and clear about Trump's 'character', but would also feel remiss not to mention "how many people do you know with a sordid past who've since turned into honorable citizens?" ... 

I don't like him either.  I despise bullies. I regard, like you, integrity and class.  It's an element in my personality i have to struggle with when it comes to standing for what is right at all costs, and has often cost me more than the value of the 'right' to begin with.  I figure that to be an alien concept to Trump.  

another 'however' follows.  However <there it was, i've never seen a bully defeated by someone who couldn't stand toe to toe with them.  I've never seen a David, as romantic a story as it is, defeat a Goliath in real life.  I've never seen an entity willing to go to any extreme and without remorse beaten, unless in principle alone, by an honorable entity of integrity.  Sometimes principle is all you got, and if that's the only thing of value then it 'feels good' to place more value on it than it is worth... which is another thing, or maybe repeating the same charge, of something Trump is wholly unfamiliar with.  Winners win, yes, but few of them do so by playing the same set of rules we're held to.  

the part we part on- methinks a person of Trump's qualities is the only solution to the quagmire Washington is- someone willing to play just as nasty, get just as dirty, and stand toe to toe.  Trump is 'our' bully... HOPEFULLY, after another five and change years, we may return to an era of honor, class, and integrity.  I'll hold my breath on that.  meanwhile, Trump has done nothing worse (far better, actually) than the Hag would have done- so, disaster averted... anything he's done otherwise (and we also agree that not everything he's done is as good as can be done) can be 'undone'.. and the absolute REAL value, he's nailed: He's stocking the courts, who the left is desperate to either stop or de-legitimize, with 'conservative' judges/justices.  150 and counting federal judges who regard the Constitution have been appointed.  SCOTUS for the first time since Scalia passed in weird circumstances has a likelihood of 'constitutionally' founded decisions.  

i can live with our bully for another five and change years...   i like our bully.  i think he's doing a bang up job. 

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Re: Never, EVER, paint yourself into a corner...
« Reply #92 on: September 19, 2019, 02:16:16 AM »
It is all about abortion and trying to discredit Kavanaugh, pushing him to the left a la Justice Roberts and as a warning to whomever will replace RBG.

They didn't care about what Kavanaugh did 30 years ago.  They were looking for anything that could possibly keep him off the court.  That her best friend didn't think Ford's allegations credible while suffering immense pressure from her lawyers and supporters tells you all you need to know.  They were quite happy for Leland to lie if it kept Kavanaugh off the bend.  I think that was Ford's motivation.  Especially how they went to incredible efforts to erase Ford's past political views.
I just don't see the logic if that was the Left's sole reason for bringing up these accusations on Kavanaugh.  There is no way his confirmation hearing could be expected to change his beliefs on Roe vs. Wade or anything else.  And if Trump had withdrawn Kavanaugh's name, he would be expected to nominate someone else that just as conservative as Kavanaugh. 
I (like everyone else) don't know what actually happened, but I believe that something happened to Blasey Ford that was traumatic to her that may not have been interpreted the same way by other girls, and there is also the possibility that she is mistaken about the boys involved.  But I know enough about drunken teenage boys to know that a large number that fall into that category are capable of doing something exactly like Blasey Ford describes, and virtually all of them have done something while drunk that they are now somewhat embarrassed or ashamed about. 

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« Reply #93 on: September 19, 2019, 06:40:56 AM »
If she really was at a party with numerous people there, someone surely would come out and testify.
No.one.did.

It was an event that happened 30 years ago and "she couldn't recall" most of the basic facts.
How she got there, how she got home, where the home was located, etc.

Maybe something happened at some place at some time - but it is awfully "convenient" as to her recollection on only the facts that related to one person.

And given her high school reputation, I'm dubious.

Besides, the benchmark has always been "innocent until proven guilty."

And I guarantee you that they'd treat the next nominee in exactly the same fashion - you watch.



https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/09/27/blasey_ford_yearbooks.html

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Other evidence indicates Ford, a popular cheerleader at the time, was immersed in an alcohol-fueled party culture and no stranger to “keg parties” in the D.C. area — or the "bar scene" along the Maryland and Delaware coast. In fact, Ford was known as a "party girl” on the Delaware shore during summer breaks, another source with direct knowledge of the congressional investigation said.

One report, moreover, recounts how Ford once got caught in "a romantic triangle" at Dewey Beach that ended with the two men getting into a fistfight over her.

At Holton-Arms, the source added, she was known by classmates, and even some parents, by a sexually derogatory nickname playing off her maiden name Blasey, suggesting she was promiscuous.

“She was not the wholesome Catholic girl they’re trying to portray her as,” the source said, making her claims of victimization at the hands of Kavanaugh "harder to believe."


Her own school yearbooks (in which parents took out paid ads) celebrated “boys [and] beer” and pictured beer bottles and beer cans and scenes of boys and girls drinking at parties. One published a photo of Ford and other girls at a Halloween party alongside a caption boasting of “pass[ing] out” after playing “Quarters” and other binge-drinking games. Her father, Ralph Blasey, was president of the local country club.

Neither her parents nor her two siblings have come out to voice support for Ford, and they did not sign a family letter of support for her and her claims circulated by her husband.

Among other things, the annual books objectified men and even talked about hiring male strippers, including one in a “gold G-string," for sweet 16 parties. They also featured the young Holton coeds dressed as Playboy bunnies and posing seductively atop desks, school-uniform skirts hiked up.

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Re: Never, EVER, paint yourself into a corner...
« Reply #94 on: September 19, 2019, 06:43:53 AM »
She had an agenda from the get-go.


https://www.wibc.com/blogs/chicks-right/christine-blasey-fords-social-media-footprint-exposed

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the book reveals how Blasey Ford was portrayed by the media as “politically moderate,” even though “her acquaintances reported Ford’s profile on social media ‘had been notable for its extreme antipathy to President Trump.’”

“Additionally, her political views 'ran decidedly to the left and were at variance with most of her family’s,' and Ford's friends on Facebook said she 'regularly expressed hostility' toward the Trump administration, they said,” the Examiner noted, adding that Blasey Ford’s social media “was ‘completely scrubbed’ about the time Kavanaugh was tapped for the Supreme Court in early July 2018.”

Hemingway and Severino also claim in the book that President Donald Trump withheld “dirt” on the accuser out of fear of being accused of so-called “victim shaming.”

"They interviewed Trump, top White House officials and several Supreme Court justices, among many others," reported Fox News’ Howard Kurtz. "The book describes a central conundrum for the judge and his advocates, which is that the team 'understood that any criticism of Ford would be treated as a smear' and depicted as 'victim shaming.'"

"Although some of those who knew Ford shared details about her behavior in high school and college that were 'dramatically at odds with her presentation in the media,' the book says, the Kavanaugh team decided to focus on his record and the damage to his reputation," Kurtz added.

As reported by the Washington Examiner, Blasey Ford allegedly went by her maiden name before the accusation hit. "Some suggested that she was following sophisticated public relations advice to emphasize her relationship with her husband," the book says.

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Re: Never, EVER, paint yourself into a corner...
« Reply #95 on: September 19, 2019, 06:47:21 AM »

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-democrats-ritualistic-stoning-of-brett-kavanaugh-11568846710

The Democrats’ Ritualistic Stoning of Brett Kavanaugh
If Joe Biden wins, the left will use the same tactics against his presidency.

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Within hours of publication of the New York Times’s tissue-thin piece on Justice Kavanaugh’s years at Yale, a succession of Democratic presidential candidates posted denunciations on social media.

Elizabeth Warren: “Like the man who appointed him, Kavanaugh should be impeached.”

Kamala Harris: “He must be impeached.”

Beto O’Rourke: “He should be impeached.”

Julián Castro: “He should be impeached.”

Bernie Sanders: “I support any appropriate constitutional mechanism to hold him accountable.”

Impeachment, until now, has been a grave step in the American political process. But impeachment has become like popcorn for Democrats. They can’t get enough of it.

But Democrats seem to live in a political world now whose standard of proof for judicial confirmations or any public- policy proposal is “whatever.” On Monday morning, well after the Times’s clarification of the original piece, the Harris campaign sent out an email grinding through “Brett Kavanaugh’s illegitimate nomination.” Then it asked for money: “Can you add a contribution of any amount to Kamala’s campaign?” The short distance from moral high horse to money grovel is breathtaking.


Justice Kavanaugh was confirmed by a Senate vote nearly a year ago after a hearing process of unprecedented political bitterness. This New York Times article and the piling on by five Democratic presidential candidates amount to a ritualistic stoning of Brett Kavanaugh. If the established system doesn’t go their way, they’ll conduct politics outside the system. Whatever it takes.

If Mr. Biden somehow got elected, the pressure from the far left to conform his administration’s policy to its agenda would be overwhelming and relentless. That’s the lesson of the Kavanaugh stoning. Today Brett Kavanaugh, tomorrow whoever gets in the way, including a moderate Democratic president.

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Re: Never, EVER, paint yourself into a corner...
« Reply #96 on: September 19, 2019, 06:53:12 AM »

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pin-the-asterisk-on-kavanaugh-11568673826

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With no evidence, the prospects for unseating Justice Kavanaugh are nil. So why the continuing assaults? Because if you throw enough mud, it leaves a stain. Ms. Blasey Ford’s lawyer, Debra Katz, laid this out in an April speech at the University of Baltimore:

“He will always have an asterisk next to his name. When he takes a scalpel to Roe v. Wade, we will know who he is, we know his character, and we know what motivates him, and that is important. It is important that we know, and that is part of what motivated Christine.


It’s good that folks are exposing the flimsiness of the latest allegations against Justice Kavanaugh. But those making and propagating these charges aren’t interested in getting to the truth. And they ought to be called out as the smear merchants they are.

Ms. Katz puts it well: It’s all about the asterisk.

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« Reply #97 on: September 19, 2019, 07:57:42 AM »
If she really was at a party with numerous people there, someone surely would come out and testify.  No.one.did.

Obviously, the only people who could testify to anything would be people in the room.  If she was lying, she wouldn't have put Kavanaugh's giggling idiot friend in the room.  You remember him, the guy who didn't testify on Kavanaugh's behalf, likely because he didn't want to contradict Kavanaugh's testimony and perjure himself?  And she must be an awfully cunning and patient liar, having first told it 7 years prior in a counseling session.  

Katman's the only intellectually honest Republican on this board.  

It was an event that happened 30 years ago and "she couldn't recall" most of the basic facts.
How she got there, how she got home, where the home was located, etc.

It would discredit her if she did - no one remembers those kids of details from when they're 15.  She remembered the salient details of the "assault" in remarkable detail.  

And given her high school reputation, I'm dubious.

Her high school reputation was fine until the rightwing smear-machine and its foot-soldiers like you got hold of it. 

Besides, the benchmark has always been "innocent until proven guilty."

He wasn't convicted of sexual assault, and he has been proven guilty of lying during his hearing.  

One is the loneliest number that you ever knew - pity poor Katman, the only intellectually honest Republican on the board.  

 

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