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Topic: Netherlands and Belgium are Euthanizing Mentally Ill Patients and

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Cincydawg

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Re: Netherlands and Belgium are Euthanizing Mentally Ill Patients and
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2019, 04:34:41 PM »
I am personally locked into one health care plan.  To go elsewhere would be prohibitive costwise, as my company pays for about 90% of the cost.


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Re: Netherlands and Belgium are Euthanizing Mentally Ill Patients and
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2019, 05:26:13 PM »

Another reason laws should be changed for buying health insurance so people can shop across state lines in order to get the cheapest rates and for a policy that best suits their needs.

Nothing like competition to bring down the costs of anything.

But we only need to look at the same people who claim to be helping to provide better or free health care that is keeping that from happening.

It's the 535 members in both houses of congress who the insurance lobbies are paying off to keep that from happening.
That's literally what Obamacare was supposed to do, but because the evil Brown Muslim man fought for this law, 13 of those wonderful red States sued and prevented it from happening.

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Re: Netherlands and Belgium are Euthanizing Mentally Ill Patients and
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2019, 05:27:21 PM »
Obamacare most certainly did NOT do that at all.  I don't have any idea where you get your "information".

https://economics21.org/challenge-selling-health-insurance-across-states

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Re: Netherlands and Belgium are Euthanizing Mentally Ill Patients and
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2019, 06:31:19 PM »
Twerp gets carried away sometimes and forgets he's chatting with people who can actually read.
Selling insurance across state lines was never a serious consideration.
The insurance lobby strong armed that before it got off the drawing boards.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2019, 09:50:47 AM by roadvol »

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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2019, 07:58:31 PM »
Twerp gets carried away sometimes and forgets he chatting with people who can actually read.
Selling insurance across state lines was never a serious consideration.
The insurance lobby strong armed that before it got off the drawing boards.
I wish we could go back to a lot of the polices we had in the  60's and 70's and do away with all the added over head and most of the regs that have been mandated 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Netherlands and Belgium are Euthanizing Mentally Ill Patients and
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2019, 10:00:23 PM »
Obamacare most certainly did NOT do that at all.  I don't have any idea where you get your "information".

https://economics21.org/challenge-selling-health-insurance-across-states
"That's literally what Obamacare was supposed to do"

I thought you were a stickler for reading comprehension?

What does that article have to do with the exchanges and how they were supposed to work across state lines before red states blocked it? 

I work for a living and don't have time to read drivel. 

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Re: Netherlands and Belgium are Euthanizing Mentally Ill Patients and
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2019, 10:20:04 PM »
"That's literally what Obamacare was supposed to do"

I thought you were a stickler for reading comprehension?

What does that article have to do with the exchanges and how they were supposed to work across state lines before red states blocked it?

I work for a living and don't have time to read drivel.

Unsurprisingly, you have no idea what you're talking about.  

Had you been paying attention, you would know that Obamacare was nothing more than an insurance bill.   It did nothing to reduce healthcare costs.   It never addressed competition across state lines or tort reform.  Insurance companies were the primary beneficiary.  Pajama boy didn't even sign up for it.  


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Re: Netherlands and Belgium are Euthanizing Mentally Ill Patients and
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2019, 10:27:47 PM »
Clueless.  The states objected to Medicaid expansion.

Try using Google for facts and learn something.

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Re: Netherlands and Belgium are Euthanizing Mentally Ill Patients and
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2019, 11:09:28 AM »
Clueless.  The states objected to Medicaid expansion.

Try using Google for facts and learn something.
It's cool to see you transition into the very thing you blame others for.

That was the sell. To try and get insurance from other exchanges where it was cheaper, to drive down cost, but 13 red states refused to participate and sued the federal government.

But go ahead. You're starting to fit in more and more around here.
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2019, 12:38:51 PM »
Don't laugh...if we ever get Single Payer healthcare here  you can expect more of the same.
Free government paid healthcare is unaffordable.
To help eliminate some of the burden there will be no treatment for seniors over a certain age or anyone with expensive cancer and other terminal illnesses......not cost effective for the pencil pushers in DC.
If that is the case, why don't we see that now with the current Medicare system?   That is completely run by the "pencil pushers in DC", and I personally think a lot of questionable end-of-life care is done because Medicare will reimburses it.  

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Re: Netherlands and Belgium are Euthanizing Mentally Ill Patients and
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2019, 12:48:38 PM »
About half of all health care costs in the US are already paid for by government.

We're talking about the other half in effect.

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Here's Why
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2019, 01:31:31 PM »
Most people with Medicare have supplemental health coverage that absorbs a big part of the cost.
Apparently you aren't on Medicare yet. It's become almost impossible to find doctors that will treat Medicare patients so they simply won't see elderly . After moving to Alabama we went over a year before finding one and that was only because my daughter's family doctor was kind enough to grandfather us in. Until then we were driving back to Tennessee to our family doctor ( 180 mile round trip)
With single payer, doctors have no choice.
Two things will happen.......there will be a severe shortage of doctors as they will not be able to survive on medicare ( or single payer) payments.
Those doctors who still are around will not be able to give elderly or terminal patients the care they require as they will not have time nor will they be paid adequately to stay in business.
Those people will get pain killers and best wishes.
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Anecdotal Evidence Why Single Payer Will Not Work
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2019, 01:46:06 PM »
My daughter has a psychiatric clinic and was forced to stop taking medicare patients about 2 years ago.
Up until then she would call Medicare to inquire why she wasn't receiving payment for claims.
She was told by a Medicare claims processor that they NEVER make payments on the first claim filed.
They ignore initial claims until they get a second claim and they won;t accept those for a period of months.
Finally when the second claim is made it takes between 12-18 months to receive payment and then it's only a fraction of the amount of claim ( thus the need for supplemental insurance)
Result....she no longer accepts Medicare payments . So if you are wondering why you can't find a doctor when you go on Medicare....now you know.

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Re: Here's Why
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2019, 10:53:33 PM »
Most people with Medicare have supplemental health coverage that absorbs a big part of the cost.
Apparently you aren't on Medicare yet.
I ain't that old yet.  :)

It's become almost impossible to find doctors that will treat Medicare patients so they simply won't see elderly . After moving to Alabama we went over a year before finding one and that was only because my daughter's family doctor was kind enough to grandfather us in. Until then we were driving back to Tennessee to our family doctor ( 180 mile round trip)
With single payer, doctors have no choice.
How long have you been on Medicare?   Has the access issues always been the case for you, or has it gotten worse in the past few years?  Most of my dealings with Medicare has been anectdotal with family members.  There have been no access issues that I am aware of, but everyone's situation may be different.  I have certainly questioned the quality of care sometimes, but that is more to do with living in a rural area, away from any metropolitan area.  That is not a Medicare issue.  And for your example of non-treatment for older patients, I had a family member that was given radiation and chemotherapy for cancer in their 80's.  I personally disagreed with taking such aggressive treatments on someone with that advanced age, but it is difficult for anyone to admit that sometimes doing nothing is the best option.  The treatments probably sped up their death, and it certainly didn't enhance the quality of life in the end.  

Two things will happen.......there will be a severe shortage of doctors as they will not be able to survive on medicare ( or single payer) payments.
Those doctors who still are around will not be able to give elderly or terminal patients the care they require as they will not have time nor will they be paid adequately to stay in business.
Those people will get pain killers and best wishes.
I agree that a "Medicare for All' type of solution will lead to reduced compensation for physicians, and less access to care due to higher participation rates.  The average doctor in the US makes $300,000/year, and if their pay was cut 20% to $240,000/year, they would be livid, but they could survive, and if they wanted to quit, what else are they going to do that pays them  that much?  The long-term effect would be to reduce the numbers of the best and brightest going in to the medical field, because there would be better financial opportunities in other fields.  And obviously that will eventually impact the quality of care as well.  

 

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