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Topic: Nats Player Destroys WaPo Writer Who Posts Fake News About Trump

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gymvol

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So these are the people who some think should have free reign to publish or say anything calling it freedom of the press when it's nothing but a lie for political gain.

Don't think so when there is malice or malicious intent.

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Folks on the left were really triggered by what the Nationals did during their visit to the White House to celebrate their World Series win.

Ryan Zimmerman thanked President Donald Trump for having them to visit. Then he praised the president. “I’d like to thank you for having us here,” Zimmerman said. “This is an incredible honor that all of us will never forget. And we’d also like to thank you for keeping everyone here safe in our country and continuing to make America the greatest country to live in the world.” He then gave Trump a Nationals jersey with his name and a 45 on it.

When Trump called Kurt Suzuki up to say a few words, Suzuki pulled out a MAGA hat put it on and said, “I love you all.”

That sent many on the left over the edge, as we reported earlier.

But then Rudy Gersten, who writes for the Washington Post, put this out, implying that Stephen Strasburg had avoided shaking hands with the president.

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2019/11/04/nats-player-destroys-wapo-writer-after-he-posts-fake-news-about-trump-interaction/

Cincydawg

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Re: Nats Player Destroys WaPo Writer Who Posts Fake News About Trump
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2019, 08:28:41 AM »
The idea that our government should be enabled to CONTROL a free press is inimical to a very fundamental part of our rights and beliefs in the US.

I may not like what they write, but I will defend their right to write it.

roadvol

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Re: Nats Player Destroys WaPo Writer Who Posts Fake News About Trump
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2019, 08:40:55 AM »
I have no problem with a free press. The First Amendment is not being assaulted by the right. It's the left who is doing their best to stop free speech in colleges and in public gatherings.
I do have a problem with the protections the press has to publish complete lies.There's an extremely high threshold for the media to be held accountable for deliberate lies and they abuse that privilege almost every day due to their insane hate of Trump.
The same is true for Congress.I watched a hearing a few days ago and Debbie Wasserman Schultz told a bold face lie when questioning a Immigration Official and everyone knew it was a lie including her. But she got her sound bite in knowing there was absolutely no recourse.
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Re: Nats Player Destroys WaPo Writer Who Posts Fake News About Trump
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2019, 08:41:51 AM »

People on the left don't have a problem with government controlling everything else. But rest assured the same people who preach free speech and freedom of the press have been stifling that free speech and have been trying for years to shut down those who are not part of the left wing MSM.

Our government and especially those same people who preach freedom of the press have infringed on our rights to keep and bear arms along with the freedom to worship but people like you don't have a problem trampling on those rights making laws against them.

It isn't ' the press" when it's out right lies making a false statement in disregard for the truth it's called malice or malicious intent which is a crime and not protected under the 1st amendment.

I'm not against freedom of the press but they need to be held accountable just as all other businesses are when they disregard the facts and print lies knowing it's a lie.

We have democrats everyday want to take away everyone's guns but heaven forbid if we were to require the "PRESS" to actually print the truth.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2019, 08:48:24 AM by gymvol »

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Re: Nats Player Destroys WaPo Writer Who Posts Fake News About Trump
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2019, 08:42:41 AM »
Cincy is good with complete lies.

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Re: Nats Player Destroys WaPo Writer Who Posts Fake News About Trump
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2019, 08:46:11 AM »
Whatever lies get published get rebutted quickly enough, as we see here.

And this particular lie is pretty trivial, and was it just a tweet? 

Had he written an article about this in WashPo, it would be somewhat more concerning.  

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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2019, 08:50:24 AM »
So you think the rebuttal is equal when comparing a small chat forum to the WaPO ?
You really think that's holding the press accountable for publishing outright lies?

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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2019, 08:53:49 AM »
Whatever lies get published get rebutted quickly enough, as we see here.

And this particular lie is pretty trivial, and was it just a tweet?

Had he written an article about this in WashPo, it would be somewhat more concerning. 


You're as full of shit as a constipated elephant.

Morals and character aren't one of your strong suits you're like all the other left wing loons you're void of them. It's all about protecting the party and to hell with what's right for the country and the American people.




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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2019, 08:58:30 AM »
I'd rather the private sector attempt to hold the press accountable than government.

I'm in general against expansions of government power and authority, with few exceptions.  The notion that government could somehow ensure a free and balanced press is about as sensible to me as thinking they could run an efficient health care system.

And of course, if Democrats gained power, they would be very happy to use this power to shut down media outlets they did not like.

This is one of most important rights and a core of our freedom.  I'd rather "we" the people police this than government.  I know some here apparently would prefer a totalitarian government that controls such things, count me out.


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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2019, 09:08:33 AM »
The problem with your theory is that the government prevents the public from holding the media accountable.
They are free to publish outright lies and hide behind the First Amendment rights provided by the government.
A Catch 22
In a perfect world the courts would lower the threshold required to punish the press  for publishing provable lies.
That will never happen since a conservative Supreme Court is more likely to defend the First Amendment and a liberal Supreme Court has no incentive to change it as long as the left can manipulate the media as they are now.
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2019, 09:15:36 AM »
This was a tweet, right?  By a private citizen?  Easily and rapidly disproved as being true, with other tweets etc.

No big deal to me.

But I gather some here favor the idea of Big Government CONTROL over the media.  We just need a fire in the Capitol building to get that line started.

Then "we" could arrest all the Democrats for sedition or whatever and ensure on Trump loving Republicans were in Congress.

I think I saw this play out once before, it didn't end well.

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Re: Nats Player Destroys WaPo Writer Who Posts Fake News About Trump
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2019, 10:29:08 AM »
Now you're being a Drama Queen

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Re: Nats Player Destroys WaPo Writer Who Posts Fake News About Trump
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2019, 12:59:42 PM »
The problem with your theory is that the government prevents the public from holding the media accountable.
They are free to publish outright lies and hide behind the First Amendment rights provided by the government.
A Catch 22
In a perfect world the courts would lower the threshold required to punish the press  for publishing provable lies.
That will never happen since a conservative Supreme Court is more likely to defend the First Amendment and a liberal Supreme Court has no incentive to change it as long as the left can manipulate the media as they are now.
I’m with Cincy on this.  I believe the free market is who should punish the press for lies.  I believe in property rights and the media has that right to lie.  Government doesn’t have the right to intervene. The free market will correct this in due time.  Maybe not to your satisfaction but to the overall markets satisfaction. 

But it I do have a question road.  How does the government prevent the market from holding them accountable?

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Re: Nats Player Destroys WaPo Writer Who Posts Fake News About Trump
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2019, 01:27:27 PM »
Imagine somehow government did have the power to penalize "reporters" for reporting falsely, or misleading information.  Who would decide?  You'd need a rather massive government infrastructure even to review stuff called to their attention.  And they'd be Federal workers akin to those at the IRS.

Does anyone think they would be very good at this job?  

 

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