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Diaper Boy aka Pitchy Continues to prove my point
« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2018, 10:43:54 AM »
Waiting...
Do you support discriminatory practices based on beliefs? We know you want to discriminate by the secular definition against Christians

Where is your attack on Christian beliefs going to end when it is forcing churches to perform gay weddings? Allowing three people marry? Allowing marriage between a 21 yer old male and a 12 yer old boy?

What are going to be your beliefs when Christians are persecuted for hate crimes laws for speaking their thoughts (we already know you want them kept out of the public realm)?

Are you going to demand the same of Muslim businesses?

What is your science background? What is your legal background? What is your educational background?

WAITING :34:
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Diaper Boy aka Pitchy Continues to prove my point
« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2018, 11:51:06 AM »
Do you support discriminatory practices based on beliefs? - not as it pertains to business.

We know you want to discriminate by the secular definition against
Christians - nope.  you want to allow christians to discriminate.

Where is your attack on Christian beliefs going to end when it is forcing churches to perform gay weddings? - I'm attacking discrimination, not christains.  Stop lying.

Allowing three people marry? - Yes, I believe that adults should be allowed to live their lives as they please as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.  Don't you?

Allowing marriage between a 21 yer old male and a 12 yer old boy? - a boy isn't a consenting adult, so no, I wouldn't support that.


What are going to be your beliefs when Christians are persecuted for hate crimes laws for speaking their thoughts (we already know you want them kept out of the public realm)? - Nobody should be persecuted for speaking their thoughts, regardless of why they say what they're saying, unless it infringes on the rights of others.  What does this have to do with christian business discriminating?

Are you going to demand the same of Muslim businesses? - I demand non-discrimination practices by ALL businesses.  However, i'm an adult, who keeps personal feelings out of work, to it's not an issue for me.

What is your science background? What is your legal background? What is your educational background? - ha ha ha.... would it help you support your position better if you knew?  You're so desperate to believe that you're smarter than me and everyone here.  It's pretty funny.

WAITING :34:
So, now stop avoiding my questions. Do you support christians businesses being able to discriminate?  This is a simple "Yes" or "no" question.  it doesn't require all of your tap dancing.

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Re: Diaper Boy aka Pitchy Continues to prove my point
« Reply #58 on: January 08, 2018, 12:17:57 PM »
So, now stop avoiding my questions. Do you support christians businesses being able to discriminate?  This is a simple "Yes" or "no" question.  it doesn't require all of your tap dancing.

Sorry if you have difficulty reading it was answered in the thread https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?topic=2205.0 
Do you support discriminatory practices based on beliefs? - not as it pertains to business. 
as we have seen in another thread courts are viewing business more and more as individuals. So how is it discrimination to not give your thoughts, your creative process to someone?

We know you want to discriminate by the secular definition against 
Christians - nope.  you want to allow christians to discriminate.
Show me where I said that or stop lying

Where is your attack on Christian beliefs going to end when it is forcing churches to perform gay weddings? - I'm attacking discrimination, not christains.  Stop lying.
Not lying you are attaching Christians for their beliefs, I am just wondering to what extinct you will attack them. so again. Where is your attack on Christian beliefs going to end when it is forcing churches to perform gay weddings? Or are you so smart you don't realize that is on the horizon?

Allowing three people marry? - Yes, I believe that adults should be allowed to live their lives as they please as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.  Don't you?

So you believe that millennia long definitions should be rewrote to fit the desires of a few who for the most part don't believe in the institution anyway and have publicly stated other goals? You think the state should run an institution which was not theirs to begin with?

Allowing marriage between a 21 yer old male and a 12 yer old boy? - a boy isn't a consenting adult, so no, I wouldn't support that.

That is where a lot of this is going Oh wait they say its not a lot like when it was says gays never wanted to redefine marriage 

What are going to be your beliefs when Christians are persecuted for hate crimes laws for speaking their thoughts (we already know you want them kept out of the public realm)? - Nobody should be persecuted for speaking their thoughts, regardless of why they say what they're saying, unless it infringes on the rights of others.  What does this have to do with christian business discriminating?
Freedom of speech is not freedom of not being offended, As a note as we have seen in another thread courts are viewing business more and more as individuals. So how is it discrimination to not give your thoughts, your creative process to someone?

Are you going to demand the same of Muslim businesses? - I demand non-discrimination practices by ALL businesses.  However, i'm an adult, who keeps personal feelings out of work, to it's not an issue for me.

Funny you never complain about them

What is your science background? What is your legal background? What is your educational background? - ha ha ha.... would it help you support your position better if you knew?  

Are you really that obtuse? Just curious as you try to speak with authority. Can't believe your to chicken to give it. Others have in the past like KNoxkidd, UTGibbs 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Diaper Boy aka Pitchy Continues to prove my point
« Reply #59 on: January 08, 2018, 12:54:42 PM »

Do you support discriminatory practices based on beliefs? - not as it pertains to business.
as we have seen in another thread courts are viewing business more and more as individuals. So how is it discrimination to not give your thoughts, your creative process to someone?

I'm not talking about thoughts/creative process. (But you're lying to yourself if you don't believe refusing to make a cake isn't discrimination. Just because it's made legal, doesn't change reality.) I've said before that I (begrudgingly) conceded specific customized areas (i.e. cake making).  If I had my way, people would just grow up and do their job, to the best of their ability, periodI'm talking about the multiple posts about Christians who don't want rent their property to homosexuals for weddings. YES or NO, do you support that type of discrimination?

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We know you want to discriminate by the secular definition against Christians - nope.  you want to allow christians to discriminate.
Show me where I said that or stop lying

You've had at least 2 threads about Christians being forced, or trying to be forced, to make their business available for homosexual weddings.  

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Where is your attack on Christian beliefs going to end when it is forcing churches to perform gay weddings? - I'm attacking discrimination, not christains.  Stop lying.
Not lying you are attaching Christians for their beliefs, I am just wondering to what extinct you will attack them. so again. Where is your attack on Christian beliefs going to end when it is forcing churches to perform gay weddings? Or are you so smart you don't realize that is on the horizon?

Wrong. I'm not attacking Christians for their beliefs.  I'm attacking Christians, or anyone else, that uses their beliefs to discriminate in the business world.

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Allowing three people marry? - Yes, I believe that adults should be allowed to live their lives as they please as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.  Don't you?

So you believe that millennia long definitions should be rewrote to fit the desires of a few who for the most part don't believe in the institution anyway and have publicly stated other goals? You think the state should run an institution which was not theirs to begin with?

I think that consenting adults, if they so choose, in a free country, should be able to choose to enter into marriage if they so desire.  Don't you believe that adults have the right to decide what kind of social/legal contracts they enter into?

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Allowing marriage between a 21 yer old male and a 12 yer old boy? - a boy isn't a consenting adult, so no, I wouldn't support that.
That is where a lot of this is going Oh wait they say its not a lot like when it was says gays never wanted to redefine marriage

I'm not going to deny rights to consenting adults based on your slippery slope panic theories.  are you?

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What are going to be your beliefs when Christians are persecuted for hate crimes laws for speaking their thoughts (we already know you want them kept out of the public realm)? - Nobody should be persecuted for speaking their thoughts, regardless of why they say what they're saying, unless it infringes on the rights of others.  What does this have to do with christian business discriminating?
Freedom of speech is not freedom of not being offended, As a note as we have seen in another thread courts are viewing business more and more as individuals. So how is it discrimination to not give your thoughts, your creative process to someone?

As i said above, if you want to narrow it down to thoughts/creative process, that's "fine".  That doesn't include renting property for weddings. There's nothing creative about that.  do you agree?

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Are you going to demand the same of Muslim businesses? - I demand non-discrimination practices by ALL businesses.  However, i'm an adult, who keeps personal feelings out of work, to it's not an issue for me.

Funny you never complain about them

Nobody ever posts about them. If they did, then I would.

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What is your science background? What is your legal background? What is your educational background? - ha ha ha.... would it help you support your position better if you knew?  

Are you really that obtuse? Just curious as you try to speak with authority. Can't believe your to chicken to give it. Others have in the past like KNoxkidd, UTGibbs

Because it's irrelevant.  Either you can defend your position or your can't.  There are a lot of Harvard grads that take positions that are idiotic.

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Re: Diaper Boy aka Pitchy Continues to prove my point
« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2018, 02:11:01 PM »
Quote from: pITCHY Today at 01:54:42 PM 
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Do you support discriminatory practices based on beliefs? - not as it pertains to business.
as we have seen in another thread courts are viewing business more and more as individuals. So how is it discrimination to not give your thoughts, your creative process to someone?

I'm not talking about thoughts/creative process. (But you're lying to yourself if you don't believe refusing to make a cake isn't discrimination. Just because it's made legal, doesn't change reality.)
SORRY THE COURTS HAVE NOT RULED AND IT IS PART OF A CREATIVE PROCESS. i OCCASIONALLY WRITE MUSIC AND LEND MY SKILLS TO OTHERS, SAME THING
I've said before that I (begrudgingly) conceded specific customized areas (i.e. cake making).  If I had my way, people would just grow up and do their job, to the best of their ability, period.  I'm talking about the multiple posts about Christians who don't want rent their property to homosexuals for weddings. YES or NO, do you support that type of discrimination?

Sorry if you have difficulty reading it was answered in the thread https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?topic=2205.0 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

We know you want to discriminate by the secular definition against Christians - nope.  you want to allow christians to discriminate.
Show me where I said that or stop lying

You've had at least 2 threads about Christians being forced, or trying to be forced, to make their business available for homosexual weddings.

DON'T TRY TO EARN A LIVING AS A PSYCHIC OR PSYCHIATRIST AS YOU WOULD STARVE

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Where is your attack on Christian beliefs going to end when it is forcing churches to perform gay weddings? - I'm attacking discrimination, not christains.  Stop lying.
Not lying you are attaching Christians for their beliefs, I am just wondering to what extinct you will attack them. so again. Where is your attack on Christian beliefs going to end when it is forcing churches to perform gay weddings? Or are you so smart you don't realize that is on the horizon?

Wrong. I'm not attacking Christians for their beliefs.  I'm attacking Christians, or anyone else, that uses their beliefs to discriminate in the business world.

NOT MY FAULT IF YOUR IN DENIAL


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Allowing three people marry? - Yes, I believe that adults should be allowed to live their lives as they please as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.  Don't you?

So you believe that millennia long definitions should be rewrote to fit the desires of a few who for the most part don't believe in the institution anyway and have publicly stated other goals? You think the state should run an institution which was not theirs to begin with?

I think that consenting adults, if they so choose, in a free country, should be able to choose to enter into marriage if they so desire.  Don't you believe that adults have the right to decide what kind of social/legal contracts they enter into?

YOUR FREE TO BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU WISH. WONDER WHY THEY DON'T JUST WRITE A CONTRACT. AGAIN WHY CHANGE millennia long definitions should be rewrote to fit the desires of a few who for the most part don't believe in the institution anyway and have publicly stated other goals? You think the state should run an institution which was not theirs to begin with?

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Allowing marriage between a 21 yer old male and a 12 yer old boy? - a boy isn't a consenting adult, so no, I wouldn't support that.
That is where a lot of this is going Oh wait they say its not a lot like when it was says gays never wanted to redefine marriage

I'm not going to deny rights to consenting adults based on your slippery slope panic theories.  are you?

AGAIN NOT MY FAULT IF YOU AVOID THE REALITY OF NAMBLA AND ITS ROLE IN THE GAY COMMUNITY AS WELL AS PEDOPHILIA AS WELL AS THE INCREASING CALLS TO LOWER THE AOC


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What are going to be your beliefs when Christians are persecuted for hate crimes laws for speaking their thoughts (we already know you want them kept out of the public realm)? - Nobody should be persecuted for speaking their thoughts, regardless of why they say what they're saying, unless it infringes on the rights of others.  What does this have to do with christian business discriminating?
Freedom of speech is not freedom of not being offended, As a note as we have seen in another thread courts are viewing business more and more as individuals. So how is it discrimination to not give your thoughts, your creative process to someone?

As i said above, if you want to narrow it down to thoughts/creative process, that's "fine".  That doesn't include renting property for weddings. There's nothing creative about that.  do you agree?
SO WOULD THAT HOLD TRUE FOR A CHURCH AS WELL IN YOUR BELIEFS?


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Are you going to demand the same of Muslim businesses? - I demand non-discrimination practices by ALL businesses.  However, i'm an adult, who keeps personal feelings out of work, to it's not an issue for me.

Funny you never complain about them

Nobody ever posts about them. If they did, then I would.
YOU POSTS PLENTY OF ANTICHRITAN SCREEDS NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU FOR SHOWING YOUR ISLAMOPHOBIA AS WELL


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What is your science background? What is your legal background? What is your educational background? - ha ha ha.... would it help you support your position better if you knew?  

Are you really that obtuse? Just curious as you try to speak with authority. Can't believe your to chicken to give it. Others have in the past like KNoxkidd, UTGibbs

Because it's irrelevant.  

TO WHOM? IT IS RELEVANT TO ME

Either you can defend your position or your can't.

ITS EASIER TO DISCUSS SOMETHING WITH SOMEONE IF YOU UNDERSTAND THEIR BACKGROUND. FOR EXAMPLE DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN HOW F STOPS WORK WITH YOU TO GET YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW I CREATED A BACKGROUND OR MY USE OF I, III AND IV CHORDS OR DO I NEED TO GO FIRST YOU START WITH GDIM7 IN THE 4TH
POSITION....
 

« Last Edit: January 08, 2018, 02:13:23 PM by DunkingDan »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Fifty Shades of Normal?
« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2018, 02:38:54 PM »
Do you support discriminatory practices based on beliefs? - not as it pertains to business.
as we have seen in another thread courts are viewing business more and more as individuals. So how is it discrimination to not give your thoughts, your creative process to someone?

I'm not talking about thoughts/creative process. (But you're lying to yourself if you don't believe refusing to make a cake isn't discrimination. Just because it's made legal, doesn't change reality.)
SORRY THE COURTS HAVE NOT RULED AND IT IS PART OF A CREATIVE PROCESS. i OCCASIONALLY WRITE MUSIC AND LEND MY SKILLS TO OTHERS, SAME THING
I've said before that I (begrudgingly) conceded specific customized areas (i.e. cake making).  If I had my way, people would just grow up and do their job, to the best of their ability, period.  I'm talking about the multiple posts about Christians who don't want rent their property to homosexuals for weddings. YES or NO, do you support that type of discrimination?

Sorry if you have difficulty reading it was answered in the thread https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?topic=2205.0 

You're such a chickensh!t.  You've written 100's of words trying to avoid answering the question because you're scared to answer it.

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We know you want to discriminate by the secular definition against Christians - nope.  you want to allow christians to discriminate.
Show me where I said that or stop lying

You've had at least 2 threads about Christians being forced, or trying to be forced, to make their business available for homosexual weddings.

DON'T TRY TO EARN A LIVING AS A PSYCHIC OR PSYCHIATRIST AS YOU WOULD STARVE


So, for the 10th time, if a business rents their property to people for weddings, do they have a right to deny rental to homosexuals?  (commence tap dancing)


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Where is your attack on Christian beliefs going to end when it is forcing churches to perform gay weddings? - I'm attacking discrimination, not christains.  Stop lying.
Not lying you are attaching Christians for their beliefs, I am just wondering to what extinct you will attack them. so again. Where is your attack on Christian beliefs going to end when it is forcing churches to perform gay weddings? Or are you so smart you don't realize that is on the horizon?

Wrong. I'm not attacking Christians for their beliefs.  I'm attacking Christians, or anyone else, that uses their beliefs to discriminate in the business world.

NOT MY FAULT IF YOUR IN DENIAL

If I'm in denial, then tell me how I've attacked Christians in areas other than where they try to discriminate.



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Allowing three people marry? - Yes, I believe that adults should be allowed to live their lives as they please as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.  Don't you?

So you believe that millennia long definitions should be rewrote to fit the desires of a few who for the most part don't believe in the institution anyway and have publicly stated other goals? You think the state should run an institution which was not theirs to begin with?

I think that consenting adults, if they so choose, in a free country, should be able to choose to enter into marriage if they so desire.  Don't you believe that adults have the right to decide what kind of social/legal contracts they enter into?

YOUR FREE TO BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU WISH. WONDER WHY THEY DON'T JUST WRITE A CONTRACT. AGAIN WHY CHANGE millennia long definitions should be rewrote to fit the desires of a few who for the most part don't believe in the institution anyway and have publicly stated other goals? You think the state should run an institution which was not theirs to begin with?

You change millennia definitions because those definitions wrongly infringed on peoples' rights.  We changed long voting laws to allow women and blacks to vote.  Should we not have changed it because 'that's how it's always been"?


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Allowing marriage between a 21 yer old male and a 12 yer old boy? - a boy isn't a consenting adult, so no, I wouldn't support that.
That is where a lot of this is going Oh wait they say its not a lot like when it was says gays never wanted to redefine marriage

I'm not going to deny rights to consenting adults based on your slippery slope panic theories.  are you?

AGAIN NOT MY FAULT IF YOU AVOID THE REALITY OF NAMBLA AND ITS ROLE IN THE GAY COMMUNITY AS WELL AS PEDOPHILIA AS WELL AS THE INCREASING CALLS TO LOWER THE AOC

NAMBLA is a horrible organization.  What does that have to do with granting the right to marry to consenting adults?  How far are you willing to go to infringe on the rights of people based on slippery slope theories?



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What are going to be your beliefs when Christians are persecuted for hate crimes laws for speaking their thoughts (we already know you want them kept out of the public realm)? - Nobody should be persecuted for speaking their thoughts, regardless of why they say what they're saying, unless it infringes on the rights of others.  What does this have to do with christian business discriminating?
Freedom of speech is not freedom of not being offended, As a note as we have seen in another thread courts are viewing business more and more as individuals. So how is it discrimination to not give your thoughts, your creative process to someone?

As i said above, if you want to narrow it down to thoughts/creative process, that's "fine".  That doesn't include renting property for weddings. There's nothing creative about that.  do you agree?
SO WOULD THAT HOLD TRUE FOR A CHURCH AS WELL IN YOUR BELIEFS?

Churches, despite racking in millions of dollars in some cases, aren't "businesses" and shouldn't be held to the same standards as businesses.  So, no, I would not support a pastor being forced to preside over a homosexual wedding.



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Are you going to demand the same of Muslim businesses? - I demand non-discrimination practices by ALL businesses.  However, i'm an adult, who keeps personal feelings out of work, to it's not an issue for me.

Funny you never complain about them

Nobody ever posts about them. If they did, then I would.
YOU POSTS PLENTY OF ANTICHRITAN SCREEDS NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU FOR SHOWING YOUR ISLAMOPHOBIA AS WELL


like i said, if someone posted an example of Muslims discriminating, or being allowed to discriminate, i would express a lack of agreement.


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What is your science background? What is your legal background? What is your educational background? - ha ha ha.... would it help you support your position better if you knew?  

Are you really that obtuse? Just curious as you try to speak with authority. Can't believe your to chicken to give it. Others have in the past like KNoxkidd, UTGibbs

Because it's irrelevant.  

TO WHOM? IT IS RELEVANT TO ME

Either you can defend your position or your can't.

ITS EASIER TO DISCUSS SOMETHING WITH SOMEONE IF YOU UNDERSTAND THEIR BACKGROUND. FOR EXAMPLE DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN HOW F STOPS WORK WITH YOU TO GET YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW I CREATED A BACKGROUND OR MY USE OF I, III AND IV CHORDS OR DO I NEED TO GO FIRST YOU START WITH GDIM7 IN THE 4TH 
POSITION....

how about this... you make your points, I'll make my points and we'll save the d*ck measuring for another forum.

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Diaper Boy aka Pitchy strikes out again
« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2018, 03:03:21 PM »
Do you support discriminatory practices based on beliefs? - not as it pertains to business.
as we have seen in another thread courts are viewing business more and more as individuals. So how is it discrimination to not give your thoughts, your creative process to someone?

I'm not talking about thoughts/creative process. (But you're lying to yourself if you don't believe refusing to make a cake isn't discrimination. Just because it's made legal, doesn't change reality.)
SORRY THE COURTS HAVE NOT RULED AND IT IS PART OF A CREATIVE PROCESS. i OCCASIONALLY WRITE MUSIC AND LEND MY SKILLS TO OTHERS, SAME THING
I've said before that I (begrudgingly) conceded specific customized areas (i.e. cake making).  If I had my way, people would just grow up and do their job, to the best of their ability, period.  I'm talking about the multiple posts about Christians who don't want rent their property to homosexuals for weddings. YES or NO, do you support that type of discrimination?

Sorry if you have difficulty reading it was answered in the thread https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?topic=2205.0

You're such a chickensh!t.  You've written 100's of words trying to avoid answering the question because you're scared to answer it.

So says the man who refuses to answer ''What is your science background? What is your legal background? What is your educational background?''while being to lazy/incompetent to read what has already been posted even though a red hot biscuit was giving him ''Sorry if you have difficulty reading it was answered in the thread https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?topic=2205.0 ''

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We know you want to discriminate by the secular definition against Christians - nope.  you want to allow christians to discriminate.
Show me where I said that or stop lying

You've had at least 2 threads about Christians being forced, or trying to be forced, to make their business available for homosexual weddings.

DON'T TRY TO EARN A LIVING AS A PSYCHIC OR PSYCHIATRIST AS YOU WOULD STARVE


So, for the 10th time, if a business rents their property to people for weddings, do they have a right to deny rental to homosexuals?  (commence tap dancing)

Sorry if you have difficulty reading it was answered in the thread https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?topic=2205.0
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Where is your attack on Christian beliefs going to end when it is forcing churches to perform gay weddings? - I'm attacking discrimination, not christains.  Stop lying.
Not lying you are attaching Christians for their beliefs, I am just wondering to what extinct you will attack them. so again. Where is your attack on Christian beliefs going to end when it is forcing churches to perform gay weddings? Or are you so smart you don't realize that is on the horizon?

Wrong. I'm not attacking Christians for their beliefs.  I'm attacking Christians, or anyone else, that uses their beliefs to discriminate in the business world.

NOT MY FAULT IF YOUR IN DENIAL

If I'm in denial, then tell me how I've attacked Christians in areas other than where they try to discriminate.

Don't worry I have a nice list I will post someday soon

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Allowing three people marry? - Yes, I believe that adults should be allowed to live their lives as they please as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.  Don't you?

So you believe that millennia long definitions should be rewrote to fit the desires of a few who for the most part don't believe in the institution anyway and have publicly stated other goals? You think the state should run an institution which was not theirs to begin with?

I think that consenting adults, if they so choose, in a free country, should be able to choose to enter into marriage if they so desire.  Don't you believe that adults have the right to decide what kind of social/legal contracts they enter into?

YOUR FREE TO BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU WISH. WONDER WHY THEY DON'T JUST WRITE A CONTRACT. AGAIN WHY CHANGE millennia long definitions should be rewrote to fit the desires of a few who for the most part don't believe in the institution anyway and have publicly stated other goals? You think the state should run an institution which was not theirs to begin with?

You change millennia definitions because those definitions wrongly infringed on peoples' rights.  We changed long voting laws to allow women and blacks to vote.  Should we not have changed it because 'that's how it's always been"?

Who said anything about voting rights? Is this another smoke screen or another attempt to define something attempt is a choice to something that is not

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Allowing marriage between a 21 yer old male and a 12 yer old boy? - a boy isn't a consenting adult, so no, I wouldn't support that.
That is where a lot of this is going Oh wait they say its not a lot like when it was says gays never wanted to redefine marriage

I'm not going to deny rights to consenting adults based on your slippery slope panic theories.  are you?

AGAIN NOT MY FAULT IF YOU AVOID THE REALITY OF NAMBLA AND ITS ROLE IN THE GAY COMMUNITY AS WELL AS PEDOPHILIA AS WELL AS THE INCREASING CALLS TO LOWER THE AOC

NAMBLA is a horrible organization.  What does that have to do with granting the right to marry to consenting adults?  How far are you willing to go to infringe on the rights of people based on slippery slope theories?

AGAIN NOT MY FAULT IF YOU AVOID THE REALITY OF NAMBLA AND ITS ROLE IN THE GAY COMMUNITY AS WELL AS PEDOPHILIA AS WELL AS THE INCREASING CALLS TO LOWER THE AOC

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What are going to be your beliefs when Christians are persecuted for hate crimes laws for speaking their thoughts (we already know you want them kept out of the public realm)? - Nobody should be persecuted for speaking their thoughts, regardless of why they say what they're saying, unless it infringes on the rights of others.  What does this have to do with christian business discriminating?
Freedom of speech is not freedom of not being offended, As a note as we have seen in another thread courts are viewing business more and more as individuals. So how is it discrimination to not give your thoughts, your creative process to someone?

As i said above, if you want to narrow it down to thoughts/creative process, that's "fine".  That doesn't include renting property for weddings. There's nothing creative about that.  do you agree?
SO WOULD THAT HOLD TRUE FOR A CHURCH AS WELL IN YOUR BELIEFS?

Churches, despite racking in millions of dollars in some cases, aren't "businesses" and shouldn't be held to the same standards as businesses.  So, no, I would not support a pastor being forced to preside over a homosexual wedding.


Churches are not a business and meet many needs. Now I am not saying some are false chcuehes and are not being ran as a business but for the most part most are not
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Are you going to demand the same of Muslim businesses? - I demand non-discrimination practices by ALL businesses.  However, i'm an adult, who keeps personal feelings out of work, to it's not an issue for me.

Funny you never complain about them

Nobody ever posts about them. If they did, then I would.
YOU POSTS PLENTY OF ANTICHRITAN SCREEDS NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU FOR SHOWING YOUR ISLAMOPHOBIA AS WELL


like i said, if someone posted an example of Muslims discriminating, or being allowed to discriminate, i would express a lack of agreement.

They have been but you ignored it
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What is your science background? What is your legal background? What is your educational background? - ha ha ha.... would it help you support your position better if you knew?  

Are you really that obtuse? Just curious as you try to speak with authority. Can't believe your to chicken to give it. Others have in the past like KNoxkidd, UTGibbs

Because it's irrelevant.  

TO WHOM? IT IS RELEVANT TO ME

Either you can defend your position or your can't.

ITS EASIER TO DISCUSS SOMETHING WITH SOMEONE IF YOU UNDERSTAND THEIR BACKGROUND. FOR EXAMPLE DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN HOW F STOPS WORK WITH YOU TO GET YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW I CREATED A BACKGROUND OR MY USE OF I, III AND IV CHORDS OR DO I NEED TO GO FIRST YOU START WITH GDIM7 IN THE 4TH
POSITION....

how about this... you make your points, I'll make my points and we'll save the d*ck measuring for another forum.


speaking of someone being ''
such a chickensh!t.'' :s_laugh:
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

 

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