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BrownCounty

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Re: Mad Maxine.....
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2018, 12:08:41 PM »

I'm hoping that Trump has some reason to believe there's a way to capture/assassinate Kim Jong-un.  Otherwise I don't understand what we're waiting for, unless we're ready to philosophically agree that the nuclear advancement of other countries is not our burden.

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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2018, 12:30:40 PM »
I'm hoping that Trump has some reason to believe there's a way to capture/assassinate Kim Jong-un.  Otherwise I don't understand what we're waiting for, unless we're ready to philosophically agree that the nuclear advancement of other countries is not our burden.
unless we're ready to philosophically agree that the nuclear advancement of other countries is not our burden.

IMO, the U.S. has no authority to deny N. Korea, or any other country, nukes. N. Korea is a sovereign country and should be permitted to do what they want as long as they aren't harming any other country in the process.

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« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2018, 12:37:22 PM »
IMO, the U.S. has no authority to deny N. Korea, or any other country, nukes. N. Korea is a sovereign country and should be permitted to do what they want as long as they aren't harming any other country in the process.
I tend to lean this direction as well.  It's basically a matter of we don't trust, and coincidentally, we have the means to act on our distrust.
The complexities of securing peace while also providing a good economy are educating Trump.  On the economy side, he wants to mind our own business.  On the peace side, he wants to control the world.
I don't think it works both ways.

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« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2018, 12:47:31 PM »
I tend to lean this direction as well.  It's basically a matter of we don't trust, and coincidentally, we have the means to act on our distrust.
The complexities of securing peace while also providing a good economy are educating Trump.  On the economy side, he wants to mind our own business.  On the peace side, he wants to control the world.
I don't think it works both ways.
Yep, and it wouldn't matter who the president was, no leader wants to be dictated to by another leader...and the U.S. really has no right to "deny" another country anything.  Now, N. Korea doesn't have a RIGHT to purchase what's needed to build nukes but, if they're able to purchase what's needed and have the knowledge to build it, the U.S. has no right to take it.  I would say that situation changes if/when N. Korea directly threatens the U.S.. At that point, the U.S. has a right to defend itself by any means necessary.

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Re: Mad Maxine.....
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2018, 12:55:40 PM »
I would say that situation changes if/when N. Korea directly threatens the U.S.. At that point, the U.S. has a right to defend itself by any means necessary.
True, but N. Korea's threats somewhat stem from our prior intention to shut them down.

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« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2018, 01:11:01 PM »
True, but N. Korea's threats somewhat stem from our prior intention to shut them down.
very true.

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Re: Mad Maxine.....
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2018, 01:11:17 PM »

IMO, the U.S. has no authority to deny N. Korea, or any other country, nukes. N. Korea is a sovereign country and should be permitted to do what they want as long as they aren't harming any other country in the process.

I don't know if we have a legal authority, but we certainly have a moral authority if you're talking about a country that's ruled by jihadists like ISIS.  If they'd fly planes into buildings killing themselves in the process, they'd surely welcome an opportunity to go to paradise using nukes.  

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« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2018, 01:24:16 PM »

IMO, the U.S. has no authority to deny N. Korea, or any other country, nukes. N. Korea is a sovereign country and should be permitted to do what they want as long as they aren't harming any other country in the process.

I don't know if we have a legal authority, but we certainly have a moral authority if you're talking about a country that's ruled by jihadists like ISIS.  If they'd fly planes into buildings killing themselves in the process, they'd surely welcome an opportunity to go to paradise using nukes.

There's definitely no legitimate legal authority, unless we are directly threatened.  Moral authority, as we know, is very subjective.  A lot of countries would argue that the U.S. habit of causing regime change, and occupying countries, is justification for attacking us.
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« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2018, 02:06:30 PM »

There's definitely no legitimate legal authority, unless we are directly threatened.
 
Speaking of subjective...

Moral authority, as we know, is very subjective.
 
Fair enough.  

A lot of countries would argue that the U.S. habit of causing regime change, and occupying countries, is justification for attacking us.  

I'm more concerned with what the jihadists would argue:  that they can get to heaven by wiping us all (and themselves) out.  

If I was POTUS, there's no way I'd tolerate nukes in the wrong hands.  If that aligns me with the right on this topic more so than the left, then so be it.  


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« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2018, 02:09:51 PM »


If I was POTUS, there's no way I'd tolerate nukes in the wrong hands.

It's a common way of thinking.  Not that different to the Left's mentality on guns.  True freedom is isn't easy for everyone to stomach.

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« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2018, 02:16:07 PM »
Welcome aboard Fuzz....

In Vietnam we attacked the bastards first every chance we got....When it's either them or us, the "American Soldier" makes sure it's them.

North Korea will have to be eliminated, just the way the hand has been dealt... 

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« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2018, 03:26:05 PM »
I wish Obama was back to handle these bad guys.


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