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Re: Lord, bless this chip....
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2018, 09:01:48 AM »
The catholic charlatans in the immortality business.

Individuals are profiting off the Catholic Church?
Maybe a few in the Vatican, maybe, and perhaps a few high ranking folks elsewhere.

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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2018, 10:57:17 AM »
@DunkinDan, do you have a source for your original article?   I didn't see a link.   I would like to see what their definition of sexual harassment is that 82.2% of females would be considered a victim of it.  If School systems protected sexual predators like the Catholic Church did, they should be held just as accountable.  I would also think the financial liability is so great now that they couldn't be following those practices today.  
They are all from the same report that I have posted in its entirety before with footnotes and a link I still have the report on my computer not the link. I will post the foot notes below
I know of several teachers in different school systems in Tn and Pa. who were moved and the only time something was done was when someone went public and made a lot of noise, or someone complained that the teacher was living with a underage student and the police got involved.
The predators in any place need held accountable, but the Roman Catholic Church has been no worse than many public institutions in that aspect but their numbers are as a hole a lot lower percentage wise than secular institutions, sports coaches, Doctors,some Protestant churches, etc..
I realize there is a lot of hate and bigotry towards the RCC , but to single them out and ignore all is is hypocritical, IMO  As a note I am no fan of the RCC.  
Footnotes
i] “Child Maltreatment 2001: Summary of Key Findings,” National Adoption Information Clearinghouse, www.calib.com/nccanch, April 2003.
[ii] Wade F. Horn, “Common-sense article about abuse,” Washington Times, February 6, 2001, p. E1.
[iii] Dr. Garth A. Rattray, “Child Month and Paedophilia,” The Gleaner, May 14, 2002.
[iv]Alan Cooperman, “Hundreds of Priests Removed Since ‘60s; Survey Shows Scope Wider Than Disclosed,” Washington Post, June 9, 2002, p. A1.
[v]Laura Goodstein, “Decades of Damage; Trail of Pain in Church Crisis Leads to Nearly Every Diocese,” New York Times, January 12, 2003, Section 1, p. 1.
[vi] Interviewed by Bill O’Reilly, Transcript of “The O’Reilly Factor,” May 3, 2002.
[vii] Bob von Sternberg, “Insurance Falls Short in Church Abuse Cases; Catholic Dioceses are Forced to Find other Sources to Pay Settlements,” Star Tribune, July 27, 2002, p. 1A.
[viii] Thomas Plante, “A Perspective on Clergy Sexual Abuse,” www.psywww.com/psyrelig/plante.html.
[ix] Thomas Farragher and Matt Carroll, “Church Board Dismissed Accusations by Females,” Boston.com, February 2, 2003.
  • Janet Kornblum, “85% of Church Abuse Victims are Male, Research Finds,” USA Today, July 24, 2002, pp. 6-7D.[/font][/color][/size]
    [xi] “The Accusers and the Accused,” USA Today, November 11, 2002, p. 7D.
    [xii] Brooks Egerton and Reese Dunklin, “Two-thirds of Bishops Let Accused Priests Work,” Dallas Morning News, June 12, 2002, p. 1A.
    [xiii] Dale Neal, “Methodist Clergy Instructed in Sexual Ethics at Conference,” Asheville Citizen-Times, May 14, 2002, p. 1B.
    [xiv] Cal Thomas, “Their Sins only Start with Abuse,” Baltimore Sun, June 19, 2002, p. 9A.
    [xv] James L. Franklin, “Sexual Misconduct Seen as a Serious Problem in Religion,” Boston Globe, October 23, 1991, p. 24.
    [xvi] “Pastors Are People, Too!”, Focus on the Family, May 1996, p. 7.
    [xvii] Teresa Watanabe, “Sex Abuse by Clerics—A Crisis of Many Faiths,” Los Angeles Times, March 25, 2002, p. A1.
    [xviii] Cal Thomas, “Their Sins only Start with Abuse,” Baltimore Sun, June 19, 2002, p. 9A.
    [xix] Terry Mattingly, “Baptists’ Traditions Make it Hard to Oust Sex-Abusing Clergy,” Knoxville News-Sentinel, June 22, 2002, p. C2.
    [xx] “Assemblies of God Tackles Problem of Porn Addiction Among Ministers,” Charisma, January 2001, p. 24.
    [xxi] Mark Clayton, “Sex Abuse Spans Spectrum of Churches,” Christian Science Monitor, April 5, 2002, p. 1.
    [xxii] Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests (New York: Oxford University Press), pp. 50 and 81.
    [xxiii] Rabbi Arthur Gross Schaefer, “Rabbi Sexual Misconduct: Crying Out for a Communal Response,” www.rrc.edu/journal, November 24, 2003.
    [xxiv] Roger Lovette, “Religious Leaders Must Learn to Handle Conflict Constructively,” Birmingham News, April 28, 2002.
    [xxv] See www.theawarenesscenter.org/clergyabuse.
    [xxvi] Laurie Goodstein, “Ousted Members Say Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Policy on Abuse Hides Offenses,” New York Times, August 11, 2002, Section 1, p. 26.
    [xxvii] Michael Dobie, “Violation of Trust; When Young Athletes Are Sex-Abuse Victims, Their Coaches Are Often the Culprits,” Newsday, June 9, 2002, p. C25.
    [xxviii] “Sexual Misconduct (ROLES): New Research Therapy Doesn’t Deter Sexual Misconduct by Psychologists,” Sex Weekly, September 15, 1997, pp. 27-28.
    [xxix] Michael Dobie, “Violation of Trust,” Newsday, June 9, 2002, p. C25.
    [xxx] Daniel Wishnietsky, “Reported and Unreported Teacher-Student Sexual Harassment,”
    Journal of Ed Research, Vol. 3, 1991, pp. 164-69.
    [xxxi] Douglas Montero, “Secret Shame of Our Schools: Sexual Abuse of Students Runs Rampant,” New York Post, July 30, 2001, p. 1.
    [xxxii] “Schools Chancellor: Four Teachers Barred from Classroom,” Associated Press, June 12, 2003.
    [xxxiii] Charol Shakeshaft and Audrey Cohan, In loco parentis: Sexual abuse of students in schools, (What administrators should know). Report to the U.S. Department of Education, Field Initiated Grants
    [xxxiv] Ibid.
    [xxxv]Diana Jean Schemo, “Silently Shifting Teachers in Sex Abuse Cases,” New York Times, June 18, 2002, p. A19.
    [xxxvi] Elizabeth Cohen, “Sex Abuse of Students Common; Research Suggests 15% of All Children Harassed,” Press & Sun-Bulletin, February 10, 2002, p. 1A.
    [xxxvii] Berta Delgado and Sarah Talalay, “Sex Cases Increase in Schools; Many Acts of Teacher Misconduct Not Being Reported,” Sun-Sentinel, June 4, 1995, p. 1A.
    [xxxviii] The study is in draft form and is not yet available for quotation.
    [xxxix] The dates of the study were April 5-7, 2002. It was reported in Roper Center at University of Connecticut Public Opinion Online, Accession Number 0402247. Hart and Teeter Research Companies did the survey. 

« Last Edit: December 13, 2018, 11:21:54 AM by DunkingDan »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Lord, bless this chip....
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2018, 11:18:08 AM »
@DunkinDan, do you have a source for your original article?   I didn't see a link.   I would like to see what their definition of sexual harassment is that 82.2% of females would be considered a victim of it.  If School systems protected sexual predators like the Catholic Church did, they should be held just as accountable.  I would also think the financial liability is so great now that they couldn't be following those practices today.  
Here's the source:
https://www.catholicleague.org/sexual-abuse-in-social-context-catholic-clergy-and-other-professionals/

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Re: Lord, bless this chip....
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2018, 11:21:12 AM »
Facts don't lie but I love to display my bigotry for the whole world to see
Who gives a damn and what does it matter where a well documented fact driven report is published?
I know you prefer www.athiestfordummiesandbigots.com but it is what it is
« Last Edit: December 13, 2018, 11:24:33 AM by DunkingDan »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2018, 11:24:49 AM »

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Re: Lord, bless this chip....
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2018, 02:13:05 PM »
Who gives a damn and what does it matter where a well documented fact driven report is published?
I know you prefer www.athiestfordummiesandbigots.com but it is what it is
Stop hiding your sources...it's really that simple.

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« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2018, 04:19:52 PM »
I did not hide a damn thing I gave some of the relevant info to my point and all I have is a copy of the report no source no link

Its not my fault you are so biased you can not appreciate a well documented report and as a not I think I got it from Life News Initially as I do have a book mark for an article that references that report and gives a link to it on their site as well as a lot of the details the report contains. As I said its not info you will find on your favorite site www.athiestfordummiesandbigots.com

Perhaps you should remove your head from  your ass and think if you can

But knowing you you will just troll on  

President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2018, 04:57:05 PM »
In 2001, clinical child psychologist Wade F. Horn reported on the work of researchers at Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health. The researchers found that nearly 20 percent of low-income women, recruited through family planning, obstetrical or gynecological clinics, had experienced child sexual abuse.
Horn summarized the researchers’ findings on poor women as follows: “Family friends and acquaintances compose the largest group of perpetrators (28 percent), followed by such relatives as uncles and cousins (18 percent), stepfathers (12 percent), male siblings (10 percent), biological fathers (10 percent), boyfriends of the child’s mother (9 percent), grandfathers and stepgrandfathers (7 percent), and strangers (4 percent).” Horn was struck by the fact that 10 percent were biological fathers and only 4 percent were strangers. “Which means,” he said, “86 percent of the perpetrators were known to the family, but were someone other than the child’s father.”[ii]

from the link https://www.catholicleague.org/sexual-abuse-in-social-context-catholic-clergy-and-other-professionals/


In 2001, clinical child psychologist Wade F. Horn reported on the work of researchers at Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health.  The researchers found that nearly 20 percent of low-income women, recruited through family planning, obstetrical or gynecological clinics, had experienced child sexual abuse.
Horn summarized the researchers’ findings on poor women as follows: “Family friends and acquaintances compose the largest group of perpetrators (28 percent), followed by such relatives as uncles and cousins (18 percent), stepfathers (12 percent), male siblings (10 percent), biological fathers (10 percent), boyfriends of the child’s mother (9 percent), grandfathers and stepgrandfathers (7 percent), and strangers (4 percent).”  Horn was struck by the fact that 10 percent were biological fathers and only 4 percent were strangers.  “Which means,” he said, “86 percent of the perpetrators were known to the family, but were someone other than the child’s father.”[ii]
According to Dr. Garth A. Rattray, about the same incidence of abuse occurs among all the socio-economic classes. For example, he reports that “about 85 percent of the offenders [of child sexual abuse] are family members, babysitters, neighbors, family friends or relatives. About one in six child molesters are other children.”

from the link I noted above:

According to Dr. Garth A. Rattray, about the same incidence of abuse occurs among all the socio-economic classes.  For example, he reports that “about 85 percent of the offenders [of child sexual abuse] are family members, babysitters, neighbors, family friends or relatives.  About one in six child molesters are other children.”

what was left out of this paragraph:
Unlike the first study cited, Rattray reports that most of the offenders are male.[iii]



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According to a survey by the Washington Post, over the last four decades, less than 1.5 percent of the estimated 60,000 or more men who have served in the Catholic clergy have been accused of child sexual abuse.[iv] According to a survey by the New York Times, 1.8 percent of all priests ordained from 1950 to 2001 have been accused of child sexual abuse.[v] Thomas Kane, author of Priests are People Too, estimates that between 1 and 1.5 percent of priests have had charges made against them.[vi] Of contemporary priests, the Associated Press found that approximately two-thirds of 1 percent of priests have charges pending against them.[vii]
Almost all the priests who abuse children are homosexuals.

from the link noted above:


PRIESTS
According to a survey by the Washington Post, over the last four decades, less than 1.5 percent of the estimated 60,000 or more men who have served in the Catholic clergy have been accused of child sexual abuse.[iv]  According to a survey by the New York Times, 1.8 percent of all priests ordained from 1950 to 2001 have been accused of child sexual abuse.[v]  Thomas Kane, author of Priests are People Too, estimates that between 1 and 1.5 percent of priests have had charges made against them.[vi]  Of contemporary priests, the Associated Press found that approximately two-thirds of 1 percent of priests have charges pending against them.[vii]
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TEACHERS
The American Medical Association found in 1986 that one in four girls, and one in eight boys, are sexually abused in or out of school before the age of 18. Two years later, a study included in The Handbook on Sexual Abuse of Children, reported that one in four girls, and one in six boys, is sexually abused by age 18.[xxix] It was reported in 1991 that 17.7 percent of males who graduated from high school, and 82.2 percent of females, reported sexual harassment by faculty or staff during their years in school. Fully 13.5 percent said they had sexual intercourse with their teacher.[xxx]

from the link noted above:


TEACHERS
The American Medical Association found in 1986 that one in four girls, and one in eight boys, are sexually abused in or out of school before the age of 18.  Two years later, a study included in The Handbook on SexualAbuse of Children, reported that one in four girls, and one in six boys, is sexually abused by age 18.[xxix]  It was reported in 1991 that 17.7 percent of males who graduated from high school, and 82.2 percent of females, reported sexual harassment by faculty or staff during their years in school.  Fully 13.5 percent said they had sexual intercourse with their teacher.[xxx]

In New York City alone, at least one child is sexually abused by a school employee every day. One study concluded that more than 60 percent of employees accused of sexual abuse in the New York City schools were transferred to desk jobs at district offices located inside the schools. Most of these teachers are tenured and 40 percent of those transferred are repeat offenders. They call it “passing the garbage” in the schools. One reason why this exists is due to efforts by the United Federation of Teachers to protect teachers at the expense of children.[xxxi] Another is the fact that teachers accused of sexual misconduct cannot be fired under New York State law.[xxxii]

from the link noted above:

In New York City alone, at least one child is sexually abused by a school employee every day.  One study concluded that more than 60 percent of employees accused of sexual abuse in the New York City schools were transferred to desk jobs at district offices located inside the schools.  Most of these teachers are tenured and 40 percent of those transferred are repeat offenders.  They call it “passing the garbage” in the schools.  One reason why this exists is due to efforts by the United Federation of Teachers to protect teachers at the expense of children.[xxxi]  Another is the fact that teachers accused of sexual misconduct cannot be fired under New York State law.[xxxii]

One of the nation’s foremost authorities on the subject of the sexual abuse of minors in public schools is Hofstra University professor Charol Shakeshaft. In 1994, Shakeshaft and Audrey Cohan did a study of 225 cases of educator sexual abuse in New York City. Their findings are astounding.

from the link noted above:

One of the nation’s foremost authorities on the subject of the sexual abuse of minors in public schools is Hofstra University professor Charol Shakeshaft.  In 1994, Shakeshaft and Audrey Cohan did a study of 225 cases of educator sexual abuse in New York City.  Their findings are astounding.

All of the accused admitted sexual abuse of a student, but none of the abusers was reported to the authorities, and only 1 percent lost their license to teach. Only 35 percent suffered negative consequences of any kind, and 39 percent chose to leave their school district, most with positive recommendations. Some were even given an early retirement package.[xxxiii]

from the link noted above:

All of the accused admitted sexual abuse of a student, but none of the abusers was reported to the authorities, and only 1 percent lost their license to teach.  Only 35 percent suffered negative consequences of any kind, and 39 percent chose to leave their school district, most with positive recommendations.  Some were even given an early retirement package.[xxxiii]

Moving molesting teachers from school district to school district is a common phenomenon. And in only 1 percent of the cases do superintendents notify the new school district.[xxxiv] According to Diana Jean Schemo, the term “passing the trash” is the preferred jargon among educators.[xxxv]

from the link noted above:

Moving molesting teachers from school district to school district is a common phenomenon.  And in only 1 percent of the cases do superintendents notify the new school district.[xxxiv]  According to Diana Jean Schemo, the term “passing the trash” is the preferred jargon among educators.[xxxv]


Shakeshaft has also determined that 15 percent of all students have experienced some kind of sexual misconduct by a teacher between kindergarten and 12th grade; the behaviors range from touching to forced penetration.[xxxvi] She and Cohan also found that up to 5 percent of teachers sexually abuse children.[xxxvii] Shakeshaft will soon be ready to release the findings of a vast study undertaken for the Planning and Evaluation Service Office of the Undersecretary, U.S. Department of Education, titled, “Educator Sexual Misconduct with Students: A Synthesis of Existing Literature on Prevalence in Connection with the Design of a National Analysis.”[xxxviii]

from the link noted above:

Shakeshaft has also determined that 15 percent of all students have experienced some kind of sexual misconduct by a teacher between kindergarten and 12th grade; the behaviors range from touching to forced penetration.[xxxvi]  She and Cohan also found that up to 5 percent of teachers sexually abuse children.[xxxvii]  Shakeshaft will soon be ready to release the findings of a vast study undertaken for the Planning and Evaluation Service Office of the Undersecretary, U.S. Department of Education, titled, “Educator Sexual Misconduct with Students: A Synthesis of Existing Literature on Prevalence in Connection with the Design of a National Analysis.”[xxxviii]

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Your and your friends phobia is on full display once again

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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2018, 04:59:40 PM »
I did not hide a damn thing I gave some of the relevant info to my point and all I have is a copy of the report no source no link

Your source, catholicleague.org, much like Godandscience.org, cherry picks information and presents it in a manner that supports what they want to believe.  As shown above, you clearly copied directly from catholicleague.org and posted it WITHOUT REFERENCING CATHOLIC LEAGUE.ORG, the ACTUAL SOURE on purpose and with intent.

Moral of the story: if you're going to try to BS posters on a forum, you better pick a forum with less tech-savy people.  

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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2018, 05:06:36 PM »
I am so fucking ignorant I do not recognize information is footnoted and I hate quotes that support beliefs that are different  from mine that are from such sources as peer reviewed science journals like  Nature, Science, Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA, Trends in Ecology & Evolution, Astrobiology, New Scientist, Nature Genetics, Journal of Theoretical Biology, Brain Research - Brain Research Reviews, Trends in Genetics, Biosystems, Microbiological Reviews, Journal of Molecular Evolution, Genetica, Neuroscience & Behavioral Physiology, Cell & Tissue Research, etc., etc., etc. not to mention many peer reviewed books because I lack the brains to prove them wrong.

I do love saying you lie even though I have no proof and it is well known you do archive a lot of stuff.
Waaa Waaaa waaa
You really think any info that is contrary to your beliefs will show up on your favorite website www.athiestfordummiesandbigots.com
As a note you are right I do keep a lot of info stored on my computer as it is easier to find than looking for it again.
Likewise you inability to prove something wrong is not my fault.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2018, 05:11:55 PM by DunkingDan »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2018, 05:20:00 PM »
You really think any info that is contrary to your beliefs will show up on your favorite website www.athiestfordummiesandbigots.com
As a note you are right I do keep a lot of info stored on my computer as it is easier to find than looking for it again.
Likewise you inability to prove something wrong is not my fault.
The BEST part of this is that, with ALL OF THE CREDITS YOU POSTED (39 total) you left off credit #40... I'm sure it's just a coincidence, right?
[xl] The Catholic League took pains to credit the media with fair coverage of the scandal.  See the “Executive Summary” of the Catholic League’s 2002 Report on Anti-Catholicism.  It is available online at www.catholicleague.org.
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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2018, 05:26:14 PM »
I love proving you points so much about me as I can not disprove your
post and several posts latter all I can do is whine

Your right I am just a cyber-stalking troll who wants to try and bully someone  and can't I do this to cover up the fact that I can not intelligently discuss the article so I constantly try to hijack post to discuss something else, then I falsely claim victory or make other false statements.  
True   and you do it so well.

As in evidence in so many places you have eyes and do not see, ears and do not hear and a brain and do not think

Thanks for proving so many of my points

Look up in the sky. Its that damned bird point, flying over your head, yet again .



and he just keeps on proving my points  

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« Last Edit: December 13, 2018, 06:00:42 PM by DunkingDan »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2018, 05:38:13 PM »
^^^^Nobody is surprised when a completely dishonest person continues to be dishonest....^^^^^

Have you no shame?  Seriously.... none.. at all?
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