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Topic: Liberals vs. Libertarians

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DunkingDan

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Pitchy strikes out again
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2018, 11:05:58 AM »
Quote from: P1tchBlack on February 09, 2018, 11:02:18 AM
I don't care what it represents to you.  I'm asking why Christians think they own it and why they think "separate but equal" is ok in our country.  It's basically the same thing whites did to blacks.
No its not blacks are born that way not homosexuals
You might understand why it is an issue if you actually learned what marriage represents. A critical part of having a grasp of an issue is understanding all sides.
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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Liberals vs. Libertarians
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2018, 11:06:35 AM »
Quote from: P1tchBlack on February 08, 2018, 05:50:40 PM
Right... one group gets "marriage"; the other group gets "something like marriage, but not really, but close enough that we hope to appease them".  Like separate but equal!
That's where we went wrong.  Hoping to "appease".  We should never have hoped to appease anybody on this.

Dick and Tom doesn't constitute a marriage since Day One.  Never has.  Never will.  Next.

Working to "appease" is how we get on the slippery slope, only to find out you can't appease.
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Re: Liberals vs. Libertarians
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2018, 11:07:39 AM »
Quote from: Drew4UTk on February 08, 2018, 06:04:06 PM
if there is no God, why do you people demand something exclusively of God's Providence?  why is the term 'domestic partner' not good enough?
Because it mocks God.
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Re: Pitchy strikes out again
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2018, 11:09:53 AM »
Quote from: DunkingDan on February 09, 2018, 11:05:58 AM
No its not blacks are born that way not homosexuals
You might understand why it is an issue if you actually learned what marriage represents. A critical part of having a grasp of an issue is understanding all sides.
Does anything you have to say make marriage not involve two adults who are agreeing to enter into a legal relationship in the eyes of the government? If not, then it really doesn't matter.  Who's naughty parts they choose to diddle is completely irrelevant when it comes to granting rights.... or it should be if you're truly an American.
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Re: Liberals vs. Libertarians
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2018, 11:13:54 AM »
Quote from: Drew4UTk on February 08, 2018, 08:56:14 PM
they're a bunch of children spoiled by the efforts of their betters generations before them, yet with the dangerous ability to vote.  
Well said.  I like that.
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Re: Liberals vs. Libertarians
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2018, 11:15:04 AM »
Quote from: BrownCounty on February 09, 2018, 11:07:39 AM
Because it mocks God.
which was and is my point.  systematic marginalizing until there is nothing left.... 
polish sausage: german comes along and takes some, but it isn't worth fighting over, happens again, but it isn't worth fighting over... pretty soon, what remains 'isn't worth fighting over'.  
but to be clear- if these types want to cal it 'marriage' and enact laws of man making it legal, let 'em is my position.... they own no providence over it whatsoever, and neither does the state... the state 'tries' to own it, but they don't.  it's illegal for ANYONE to get married according to the state- unless you gain an exception in the condition of a license for exception.  they attempted to take ownership- and more than 100 years later- more like 150 years now actually, they 'still' don't 'own' it except in the minds of simpletons who credit the gov't with more power than they own.  
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Re: Liberals vs. Libertarians
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2018, 11:17:33 AM »
Quote from: P1tchBlack on February 09, 2018, 11:02:18 AM
I'm asking why Christians think they own it
Christians don't own marriage.  It's a word.  It's a concept.  It means two different genders coming together, Christian or otherwise.

I don't call a wrench a screwdriver, and not because I'm Christian.  You don't call Dick and Tom a marriage.  Again, Christian or otherwise.
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Re: Pitchy strikes out again
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2018, 11:18:03 AM »
Quote from: P1tchBlack on February 09, 2018, 11:09:53 AM
As usual I cannot grasp what was actually said or the issues so I will just be an ass and make false accusations
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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Liberals vs. Libertarians
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2018, 11:21:18 AM »
Quote from: BrownCounty on February 09, 2018, 11:17:33 AM
Christians don't own marriage.  It's a word.  It's a concept.  It means two different genders coming together, Christian or otherwise.

I don't call a wrench a screwdriver, and not because I'm Christian.  You don't call Dick and Tom a marriage.  Again, Christian or otherwise.
No.  To YOU it means two different genders coming together.  To others, who have just as much right to marriage as you, it means the same genders coming together.
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Re: Pitchy strikes out again
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2018, 11:24:49 AM »
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Re: Liberals vs. Libertarians
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2018, 11:36:39 AM »
Quote from: P1tchBlack on February 09, 2018, 11:21:18 AM
No.  To YOU it means two different genders coming together.  To others, who have just as much right to marriage as you, it means the same genders coming together.

Everybody knows what marriage means.  That's the whole crux of why this is an issue.

Some want to bastardize the concept.  Those are the offenders.
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Re: Pitchy strikes out again
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2018, 12:07:28 PM »
Quote from: P1tchBlack on February 09, 2018, 11:24:49 AM
Let me concoct another lie and ignore the fact I was given detailed answer in this thread https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?topic=2205.msg29978#msg29978 as well as many others in the recent past
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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Pitchy strikes out again
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2018, 12:15:13 PM »
Quote from: DunkingDan on February 09, 2018, 12:07:28 PM
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Yes or no... do two adults have the right to enter into a legal contract?
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Re: Pitchy strikes out again
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2018, 12:26:41 PM »
Quote from: P1tchBlack on February 09, 2018, 12:15:13 PM
Yes or no... do two adults have the right to enter into a legal contract?
Yes.  And the worst case scenario is that the government should label that contract as a "partnership", (for all people) and then let the general public use the term "marriage" and "partner" however they so choose.

Would that be good enough?  My wisdom of spiritual warfare says heck no, that wouldn't be good enough.  Because that solution doesn't address the real objective of the secular minions.
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