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BrownCounty

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Re: Left Wing lunatic mass shooting
« Reply #70 on: November 09, 2018, 02:58:32 PM »
now you're trolling, @fuzzynavol ....

As opposed to when is he not trolling?...

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Re: Left Wing lunatic mass shooting
« Reply #71 on: November 09, 2018, 03:54:00 PM »
Let's take the specific recent shooting incident and someone describe the process that SHOULD have happened to deprive him of access to firearms.

Presume whatever new laws are needed.  How would it have worked in THIS situation?

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Re: Left Wing lunatic mass shooting
« Reply #72 on: November 09, 2018, 04:03:00 PM »

We can't just accept that people are going to do bad, crazy things.  We have to come up with laws.

The thing is, if someone is willing to lose their life after doing the deed - you have no way to punish or deter them.

I would recommend bringing God back into our culture, but of course that doesn't play well.  You know, we all used to drive around with gun racks and enough fire power to wipe out a neighborhood, but we didn't do it.

Father Knows Best was on TV, and the news was mostly weather.  Sure, someone would shoot a President once in a century, but we weren't all out at the Dairy Queen and Piggly Wiggly hammering each other with buckshot.

And we went to church I seem to recall.

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Re: Left Wing lunatic mass shooting
« Reply #73 on: November 09, 2018, 04:21:14 PM »
Would you suggest "bringing God back into our culture" by force of law, or some other more voluntary means?

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Re: Left Wing lunatic mass shooting
« Reply #74 on: November 09, 2018, 04:38:35 PM »
Let's take the specific recent shooting incident and someone describe the process that SHOULD have happened to deprive him of access to firearms.

Presume whatever new laws are needed.  How would it have worked in THIS situation?
First we just need to agree that gun restraining orders are a good idea.  That would be an accomplishment.  Then we should agree that it's possible to do it a reasonably fair way that's in-keeping with the Constitution.  
Then it would take lots of people working on it for a good while to come up with a good plan for implementation.  To demand I take on the whole task immediately myself isn't really a fair way oppose the concept.  
That said, hypothetically, maybe his neighbors report him to the authorities for repeatedly screaming at his mother and throwing things about their home.  Plausibly, his mother agrees that he shouldn't be in possession of firearms nor should he be allowed to purchase them.  His high school track coach should have reported his assault as well, and maybe she would have if there were gun restraining order laws.  With the exception of the day of the shootings, it hasn't been reported yet that he had a history of disturbing social media, but it's likely that he does.  He disputes this characterization and thinks he should continue to have gun privileges, but it's apparent to the judge that he's a potential risk to society and he revokes his privileges because it's determined that he's more likely to cause others harm with his firearm than he is to protect himself with it.

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Re: Left Wing lunatic mass shooting
« Reply #75 on: November 09, 2018, 05:02:37 PM »
Would you suggest "bringing God back into our culture" by force of law, or some other more voluntary means?

It would make just as much sense as some other things we try to solve with laws.

But we do it to ourselves.  Only through hardship like we have never known would we ever culturally consider turning back to God.  We've got it too good.  Debauchery works for us.  Gomorrah works for us.  Who needs God?

Look what Trump is accomplishing.  Who cares?  We don't want jobs - bleh!  We don't want the American dream!  We want provision, dammit!

What we really need is for Democrats to turn this country into Venzuela.  Or Honduras.  But so far, we are being blessed with the avoidance of that - even though it just worsens our spiritually bankrupt condition.

We have plenty.  And as a result, we have two factions - one that appreciates what we have and wants to sustain it, and the other that has no appreciation of anything, but they want more of it.

Trump came too soon.  What we needed is about 40 years of Obama.  Then we would be wearing rags and crying out to God on every street corner.  Sadly, it's the only way God culturally comes back.

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Re: Left Wing lunatic mass shooting
« Reply #76 on: November 09, 2018, 05:21:13 PM »
It would make just as much sense as some other things we try to solve with laws.
It's certainly working well in the Middle East.  

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Re: Left Wing lunatic mass shooting
« Reply #77 on: November 09, 2018, 06:10:03 PM »


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Re: Left Wing lunatic mass shooting
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Quote from: DunkingDan on Today at 11:47:36 AM
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Lots of states allow you to carry into a bar or were they serve drinks, but your not allowed to drink.

So the bar owners all have to buy "no-guns" signs.

Any business that does not want people to carry inside their business is required to post a no guns sign


Tells us how many permit holders are involved in mass shootings?

I'm not trying to take guns away from permit holders, I'm trying to take them away from people deemed unfit by the courts.  

Not my fault that my point flew over your head. It was a question. I did not accuse you or imply in any way what you were trying to do or not do. I am fairly straight forward when I do. Example the laws you support do not follow due process. If you have ever gotten a restraining order on someone you would know that.
 The NRA and others have asked for years that the data base contain records of people who have been diagnosed with a mental illness that is known to have violent components to it as well as violent juvenile records. The dems have fought against that over privacy issues.
You ignore much of what has been pointed out to you in the past. example 
First thing is look at all the laws, see which ones are working and which ones are not and get rid of those. Second we need to look and see what has changed from a few years ago and discuss if we need to try and change back to what was working. Next we need to get rid of gun free zones they are nothing but killing fields. We should encourage teachers, like many use to, to carry to protect the students - take the classes and be certified, reward those that do. Then think logically after all that is done to see what else needs to be done if anything. Key word is logic. Guns are but a tool, As a note of all the people I see screaming for gun control all favor abortion and most have no clue as to what an assault weapon is, they base their views from the media which have been anything but honest, thus failing in their responsibility to the American People. We also need to realize what the purpose of the 2nd amendment is, its not hunting and sport shooting.


 You might read it and think. It was from a speech several years ago and the points are still valid 
 
 So we believe in zero tolerance for anyone illegally buying guns for juveniles.
 
  
  We encourage the vigilance of everyone to keep illegal guns out of the hands of minors. But more importantly, of the thousands of criminals who bought guns for juveniles, we believe the Clinton Administration should have prosecuted more than just 5 in 1997 and 6 in 1998. That's not zero tolerance.
  
  We believe gang bangers caught carrying guns shouldn't be let go just because they're under 18.
  So we support mandatory penalties for juvenile criminals caught carrying guns. But out of the thousands of these armed teen thugs, we believe the Clinton Justice Department should have prosecuted more than just 3 in 1997 and 8 in 1998. That's not zero tolerance.

  
  We believe that even if violent juvenile felons get a second chance at going straight, they should never get a second chance at owning a gun. Some call it Juvenile Brady -- we call it common sense. We support barring all juveniles convicted of violent felonies from owning guns, for life.
  
  We also believe that criminal records of violent juveniles ought to remain open indefinitely, not expunged in the middle of their crime spree. They shouldn't get a clean criminal slate to splatter with blood again just because they turn 18 or 21.
  
  We support restoring full and perpetual funding for the National Instant Check System, which was the product of this Association's determined effort. It is a federal crime for a felon to try to buy a gun. So for the quarter million prohibited buyers President Clinton claims were turned away, we believe his Justice Department should have prosecuted more than zero in 1996, zero in 1997 and zero in 1998. That's surely not zero tolerance.
  
  We believe that people adjudicated mentally incompetent should be prevented from buying guns. That's the law. But it can't be enforced because those records are often sealed. So we advocate that records of court-declared mental incompetents be unsealed and made available to the instant check system. Believe it or not, insanities like John Hinckley's would not prevent a gun purchase today because most mental records are invisible to the instant check system. Let's close the Hinckley loophole!
  
  We believe that a lawful, properly-permitted citizen who chooses to carry a concealed firearm not only deserves that right, but is a deterrent to crime. We support the right to carry because it has helped cut crime rates in all 31 states that have adopted it ... with almost no abuse of any kind by the lawful citizens who took the courses, submitted to the background checks, passed the tests and became part of a proud citizens movement that's making America a safer place to live. The truth is, very few actually choose to carry a gun -- but the bad guys don't know which few they are.
  
  We believe freedom should never be diminished for those who abide by the law. On the contrary, freedom should be diminished only for those who break the law. That is the principle upon which we stand opposed to waiting period proposals and one-gun-a-month schemes.
  
  We support reversing the Clinton Administration policy of not prosecuting felons with guns. We advocate national adoption of Project Exile, a zero-tolerance project that began in Richmond, Virginia, but can't seem to get the support of President Clinton's Justice Department. Any felon caught with a gun, no matter what he's doing, goes to jail for 5 years, period.  

 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

 

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