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Kings, Priests, and Cops
« on: April 22, 2021, 04:39:10 PM »

Dan, I hope you don’t mind my taking this aspect of our PM discussion to the board.  If you do, I’ll take it down.  I would ask you, but I don’t feel like waiting… and I’m pretty sure you don’t mind.  ( ^ ;

That thing you mentioned about the difficulty of finding replacement priests, because so few people are choosing the priesthood as a profession…

It’s worth considering.  It speaks to a whole buncha cultural/societal issues.

The professional priesthood has always been an enigma to me.  I can understand, to a degree, being “called” to be a preacher/pastor.  But to “sign up” for the priesthood?  There’s a difference there — it’s subtle, though.  Not sure I can articulate it…

People become priests for different reasons, I suppose.  I’ve seen enough Jane Austen adaptations to know it’s not always because of a love for Jesus.  There’s always the rather incompetent, boobish non-inheriting aristocrat, who winds up as the parish priest.  Where he can live respectfully, while doing little harm.  

And I suppose that’s continued.  “If you can’t do, teach.” “Whatever happened to ol’ so-and-so?”  “You didn’t know?  He became a priest.” “Not surprised.  He never was much good at anything…”.

But a lot of the respectability, and hence the attraction, of being a priest has faded in recent years.  As we become increasingly “None” (now metastasized into “woke”, ugh), there’s lots of secular things one can do to earn a living without doing heavy lifting.  Teaching… college campuses are full of tenured drones that might have been parish priests, in an earlier day.

But what about those genuinely called to serve God, and their fellow man?  In an age of overwhelming,  nearly total Godless secularism, where are these guys going to come from?  It seems to me that becoming a priest in an established, historical ecclesiastical structure — Catholic, Anglican, Orthodox — is kind of like joining the military.  It is choosing to enter a hierarchy.  And it’s — or it’s supposed to be — a lifelong thing.  Like getting married…

I don’t see how a culture like ours can produce many dudes willing to take that on.  How could you grow up amid all the vile and violent and erotic and pornographic entertainment that is the atmosphere we all breathe, and choose to separate yourself at an early age into the priesthood?  It’s easy to see why so few do.

It’s different, coming to one’s senses and realizing the truth of who Jesus is, and what’s actually going on in this world, and having an urge to speak to people about it.  Maybe even get a seminary certificate.  Preach.

So, it’s a pretty serious issue.  Can “organized religion” survive?  Can institutions that have survived for centuries, and provided an informing cultural bulwark against the banality of Godless secularism, survive in our current epoch?  Or will they, like the Anglican/Episcopalian denomination — and many Protestant ones, (e.g.) Presbyterian, Methodist, even some Baptists — turn into essentially secular, “social justice” organizations?  That deny the essential doctrines of Christianity?  Not hard to find folks willing to make a living running those.  The Whateverist woods are full of them…

The answer seems obvious.  We are living in unprecedented times.  

Those of us old enough to remember the “before” world should cherish those memories.  Because when they’re gone… it’s gone.

So.  We’re not making many professional priests.

How about cops?  Where are we going to get those from?  

Who in their right mind would want to be a policeman in the current environment?  A society increasingly hostile and deranged and unhinged, driven mad by the mindless “progress” and “remedies” imposed by the Left for generations, resulting in an entire subculture that is a stranger to God, truth, decency, and restraint?  Who will attack and resist you with impunity?  And you do one thing “wrong”, to protect yourself (or anyone else), in a split second, life and death situation?  According to the woke mob?  Your life is over…

Where are we going to get people who will do that job?  “Protect and serve…”?

Seriously.  We just THINK it’s bad now.

One thing to consider, in terms of “priests”.  Maybe the professional priest system is something whose time is past.  Maybe, as things become “more what they are” — bad being badder, good being ‘gooder’, resolution increasing — 

maybe we have entered into the era of the neo-New Testament church.  The “Philadelphian” church (Rev. ch. 3).  Maybe Russia is the template:  you have the compliant, authorized, state-sanctioned church.  All all other worship is highly restricted.  Maybe you’ll have state-sanctioned, fully woke, social justice churches, using the scaffolding and buildings of the old denominational ones.  And the real church, the true church, the Body of Bible-believing faithful, will be driven underground and persecuted.

That church won’t need a “priesthood”.  Because it will be composed of priests, according to The Bible.  And not only Priests, but “kings”.  All those who are saved into regenerate, eternal life, are “kings and priests”.

 “But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.” — 1 Peter 2:9,10

“John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:

Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.

To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.” — Rev. 1:4-6

And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 
And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.” — Rev. 9,10

So.  We won’t need (professional) “priests”.

Because we ARE priests.  

And it looks like we’re going to have to be our own cops, as well…



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Re: Kings, Priests, and Cops
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2021, 07:14:50 PM »
Dan, I hope you don’t mind my taking this aspect of our PM discussion to the board.  If you do, I’ll take it down.  I would ask you, but I don’t feel like waiting… and I’m pretty sure you don’t mind.  ( ^ ;

No problem


That thing you mentioned about the difficulty of finding replacement priests, because so few people are choosing the priesthood as a profession…

It’s worth considering.  It speaks to a whole buncha cultural/societal issues.

The professional priesthood has always been an enigma to me.  I can understand, to a degree, being “called” to be a preacher/pastor.  But to “sign up” for the priesthood?  There’s a difference there — it’s subtle, though.  Not sure I can articulate it…

People become priests for different reasons, I suppose.  I’ve seen enough Jane Austen adaptations to know it’s not always because of a love for Jesus.  There’s always the rather incompetent, boobish non-inheriting aristocrat, who winds up as the parish priest.  Where he can live respectfully, while doing little harm. 

Some are still answering the call and do have a deep love of Christ.


And I suppose that’s continued.  “If you can’t do, teach.” “Whatever happened to ol’ so-and-so?”  “You didn’t know?  He became a priest.” “Not surprised.  He never was much good at anything…”.

But a lot of the respectability, and hence the attraction, of being a priest has faded in recent years.  As we become increasingly “None” (now metastasized into “woke”, ugh), there’s lots of secular things one can do to earn a living without doing heavy lifting.  Teaching… college campuses are full of tenured drones that might have been parish priests, in an earlier day.

The number of atheist in religious studies is astounding. It is also interesting in some denominations that many in the hierarchy have masters or their PHD and their degrees are not in religious studies but diverse fields ranging from the sciences, to language studies, etc.

But what about those genuinely called to serve God, and their fellow man?  In an age of overwhelming,  nearly total Godless secularism, where are these guys going to come from?  It seems to me that becoming a priest in an established, historical ecclesiastical structure — Catholic, Anglican, Orthodox — is kind of like joining the military.  It is choosing to enter a hierarchy.  And it’s — or it’s supposed to be — a lifelong thing.  Like getting married…

One wonders how the increased negativity by peers weighs heavily on people being called but ignore the gentle voice.

I don’t see how a culture like ours can produce many dudes willing to take that on.  How could you grow up amid all the vile and violent and erotic and pornographic entertainment that is the atmosphere we all breathe, and choose to separate yourself at an early age into the priesthood?  It’s easy to see why so few do.

It’s different, coming to one’s senses and realizing the truth of who Jesus is, and what’s actually going on in this world, and having an urge to speak to people about it.  Maybe even get a seminary certificate.  Preach.

So, it’s a pretty serious issue.  Can “organized religion” survive?  Can institutions that have survived for centuries, and provided an informing cultural bulwark against the banality of Godless secularism, survive in our current epoch?  Or will they, like the Anglican/Episcopalian denomination — and many Protestant ones, (e.g.) Presbyterian, Methodist, even some Baptists — turn into essentially secular, “social justice” organizations?  That deny the essential doctrines of Christianity?  Not hard to find folks willing to make a living running those.  The Whateverist woods are full of them…

The answer seems obvious.  We are living in unprecedented times.
 

We are living in the period of the fulfilment of the prophecies and yes what is happening that is both seen and unseen is unprecedented.

Those of us old enough to remember the “before” world should cherish those memories.  Because when they’re gone… it’s gone.

So.  We’re not making many professional priests.

How about cops?  Where are we going to get those from?
 

Can you blame a sane person for shying away from where the profession is headed due to the encroaching support of lawlessness by the immoral Godless people in charge and the mindless masses driving them?

Who in their right mind would want to be a policeman in the current environment?  A society increasingly hostile and deranged and unhinged, driven mad by the mindless “progress” and “remedies” imposed by the Left for generations, resulting in an entire subculture that is a stranger to God, truth, decency, and restraint?  Who will attack and resist you with impunity?  And you do one thing “wrong”, to protect yourself (or anyone else), in a split second, life and death situation?  According to the woke mob?  Your life is over…

Where are we going to get people who will do that job?  “Protect and serve…”?

Seriously.  We just THINK it’s bad now

We ain't seen nothing yet

One thing to consider, in terms of “priests”.  Maybe the professional priest system is something whose time is past.  Maybe, as things become “more what they are” — bad being badder, good being ‘gooder’, resolution increasing —

maybe we have entered into the era of the neo-New Testament church.  The “Philadelphian” church (Rev. ch. 3).  Maybe Russia is the template:  you have the compliant, authorized, state-sanctioned church.  All all other worship is highly restricted.  Maybe you’ll have state-sanctioned, fully woke, social justice churches, using the scaffolding and buildings of the old denominational ones.  And the real church, the true church, the Body of Bible-believing faithful, will be driven underground and persecuted.

That church won’t need a “priesthood”.  Because it will be composed of priests, according to The Bible.  And not only Priests, but “kings”.  All those who are saved into regenerate, eternal life, are “kings and priests”.

Due to many reasons, including the persecution of Christians, churches I believe will be driven underground

“But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.” — 1 Peter 2:9,10

“John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:

Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.

To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.” — Rev. 1:4-6

And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10
And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.” — Rev. 9,10

So.  We won’t need (professional) “priests”.

Because we ARE priests. 

And it looks like we’re going to have to be our own cops, as well…
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2021, 07:22:30 PM »
Dan, I hope you don’t mind my taking this aspect of our PM discussion to the board.  If you do, I’ll take it down.  I would ask you, but I don’t feel like waiting… and I’m pretty sure you don’t mind.  ( ^ ;

That thing you mentioned about the difficulty of finding replacement priests, because so few people are choosing the priesthood as a profession…

It’s worth considering.  It speaks to a whole buncha cultural/societal issues.

The professional priesthood has always been an enigma to me.  I can understand, to a degree, being “called” to be a preacher/pastor.  But to “sign up” for the priesthood?  There’s a difference there — it’s subtle, though.  Not sure I can articulate it…

People become priests for different reasons, I suppose.  I’ve seen enough Jane Austen adaptations to know it’s not always because of a love for Jesus.  There’s always the rather incompetent, boobish non-inheriting aristocrat, who winds up as the parish priest.  Where he can live respectfully, while doing little harm. 

And I suppose that’s continued.  “If you can’t do, teach.” “Whatever happened to ol’ so-and-so?”  “You didn’t know?  He became a priest.” “Not surprised.  He never was much good at anything…”.

But a lot of the respectability, and hence the attraction, of being a priest has faded in recent years.  As we become increasingly “None” (now metastasized into “woke”, ugh), there’s lots of secular things one can do to earn a living without doing heavy lifting.  Teaching… college campuses are full of tenured drones that might have been parish priests, in an earlier day.

But what about those genuinely called to serve God, and their fellow man?  In an age of overwhelming,  nearly total Godless secularism, where are these guys going to come from?  It seems to me that becoming a priest in an established, historical ecclesiastical structure — Catholic, Anglican, Orthodox — is kind of like joining the military.  It is choosing to enter a hierarchy.  And it’s — or it’s supposed to be — a lifelong thing.  Like getting married…

I don’t see how a culture like ours can produce many dudes willing to take that on.  How could you grow up amid all the vile and violent and erotic and pornographic entertainment that is the atmosphere we all breathe, and choose to separate yourself at an early age into the priesthood?  It’s easy to see why so few do.

It’s different, coming to one’s senses and realizing the truth of who Jesus is, and what’s actually going on in this world, and having an urge to speak to people about it.  Maybe even get a seminary certificate.  Preach.

So, it’s a pretty serious issue.  Can “organized religion” survive?  Can institutions that have survived for centuries, and provided an informing cultural bulwark against the banality of Godless secularism, survive in our current epoch?  Or will they, like the Anglican/Episcopalian denomination — and many Protestant ones, (e.g.) Presbyterian, Methodist, even some Baptists — turn into essentially secular, “social justice” organizations?  That deny the essential doctrines of Christianity?  Not hard to find folks willing to make a living running those.  The Whateverist woods are full of them…

The answer seems obvious.  We are living in unprecedented times. 

Those of us old enough to remember the “before” world should cherish those memories.  Because when they’re gone… it’s gone.

So.  We’re not making many professional priests.

How about cops?  Where are we going to get those from? 

Who in their right mind would want to be a policeman in the current environment?  A society increasingly hostile and deranged and unhinged, driven mad by the mindless “progress” and “remedies” imposed by the Left for generations, resulting in an entire subculture that is a stranger to God, truth, decency, and restraint?  Who will attack and resist you with impunity?  And you do one thing “wrong”, to protect yourself (or anyone else), in a split second, life and death situation?  According to the woke mob?  Your life is over…

Where are we going to get people who will do that job?  “Protect and serve…”?

Seriously.  We just THINK it’s bad now.

One thing to consider, in terms of “priests”.  Maybe the professional priest system is something whose time is past.  Maybe, as things become “more what they are” — bad being badder, good being ‘gooder’, resolution increasing —

maybe we have entered into the era of the neo-New Testament church.  The “Philadelphian” church (Rev. ch. 3).  Maybe Russia is the template:  you have the compliant, authorized, state-sanctioned church.  All all other worship is highly restricted.  Maybe you’ll have state-sanctioned, fully woke, social justice churches, using the scaffolding and buildings of the old denominational ones.  And the real church, the true church, the Body of Bible-believing faithful, will be driven underground and persecuted.

That church won’t need a “priesthood”.  Because it will be composed of priests, according to The Bible.  And not only Priests, but “kings”.  All those who are saved into regenerate, eternal life, are “kings and priests”.

“But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.” — 1 Peter 2:9,10

“John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:

Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.

To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.” — Rev. 1:4-6

And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10
And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.” — Rev. 9,10

So.  We won’t need (professional) “priests”.

Because we ARE priests. 

And it looks like we’re going to have to be our own cops, as well…

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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2021, 09:30:02 PM »
I have done some work with the developmentally, intellectually disabled.  The most radically idiosyncratic people on the planet.  Which makes them the mirror image, the polar opposite, of the interchangeable conformist Whateverist.

I quickly adopted a method of “mirroring”, in order to communicate with the handicapped.  With the one who growled their words, I would growl mine.  With those who spoke softly, I spoke softly.  It was effective.  We could connect.

I’m tempted to learn how to find those little giffy things that you use, so we could communicate.  The thing is:  there are two forms of communication that I hope to go to my grave — or to Heaven, whichever comes first — having never used.

Tweets.  And gifs.

They are both — the latter in particular — sub-lingual, sub-intellectual forms of communication.

And are therefore perfect for our brutally simplistic times.

So, I guess we’ll just have to pass like the proverbial ships.  Yours is not a mode of communication I’m interested in mirroring.

Besides — you don’t really have anything of interest to say, anyway.  Do you?



 

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