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HK_Vol

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Re: Identity politics....
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2018, 11:56:10 PM »
Cuts both ways Fuzzy.....

Tennessee constitution

2. Article 9, Section 1: Whereas Ministers of the Gospel are by their profession, dedicated to God and the care of souls, and ought not to be diverted from the great duties of their functions; therefore, no minister of the Gospel, or priest of any denomination whatever, shall be eligible to a seat in either House of the Legislature.

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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2018, 06:45:08 AM »
Cuts both ways Fuzzy.....

Tennessee constitution

2. Article 9, Section 1: Whereas Ministers of the Gospel are by their profession, dedicated to God and the care of souls, and ought not to be diverted from the great duties of their functions; therefore, no minister of the Gospel, or priest of any denomination whatever, shall be eligible to a seat in either House of the Legislature.

Tell Texie, not me.  He insists all minorities have equal rights and my concerns about equality are unjustified.  He must think this woman is a figment of my imagination:




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Re: Identity politics....
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2018, 08:25:20 AM »
ya know, that Kentucky woman sure has given the left lots of mileage.  I wager the left was in rejoice when she pulled her stunt- as they now had something specific to point to... not that they've ever needed it to 'make a point', they don't need logic or rationale- just emotional response- but that they needed something to counter 'sanctuary cities' and their own snubbing of federal law for their own gains... 

those gains, though, differ greatly... one is tangible- votes... retaining office through exploitation of illegals voting... the other, in the case of the Kentucky woman- was intangible and an individual reaction to moral opposition- and where no tangible gain was to be had.  

as for 'identity politics'- so long as we're apart we'll never stand together to thwart those who were put in power by the people (presumably).  this is precisely the arrangement 'they' sought.  And as McCain, Ryan, Pelosi and Gore sit to have cigars and brandy in some great smoke filled chamber surrounded by books documenting case studies where they've bastardized law, they may or may not pay enough attention to the 'people' long enough to get a laugh.  we're all chumps for even thinking they give a damn about some 'movement'.  

somebody does... somebody or something is pressing the 'movement' toward socialism.  they're using the tools of the legislative and executive branch, and they're trying everything in their power to infiltrate the judicial.  they're making use of the 'useful idiots' who draft and pass laws, and people who are more interested in personal gain than they are doing 'what's right'... 

it's not even that hard to understand the how's and why's.  you just have to be able to look across a timeline and understand the 'movement' is centuries old to grasp it's goal.  an 'empowered people' disrupted the momentum- especially one that is armed, and that can share thoughts without fear of legal repercussions, as well as not fear for unfair trial or unlawful search and seizure... sounding much like the BoR that protects the individual American.   in order to keep such a people from disrupting the enterprise, you've got to keep them separate and dis-functional... and that is what we are.  

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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2018, 09:41:03 AM »
OMG, you're an oppressed minority now?  LMAO!  What about your white privilege?  Or do you get a pass for that since you're a liberal?  And what's your point about that Kentucky Court Clerk?   Are you saying she's oppressed because she was arrested for acting upon her deeply held religious views?  Or is an insignificant court clerk  one of your oppressors?   This is good stuff Fuzz.   

It's so hard to keep track of all the various groups of oppressed minorities, and which one is the most oppressed.  In fact, minority groups often squabble among themselves about which one is the most oppressed.  Is the LGBQT struggle just like that of the Civil Rights movement in the 60s?  Is the right to taxpayer-paid gender-reassignment surgery (and then back again) the same as the struggle for women's suffrage?   It's the minority one-upmanship game, and fans need a chart to keep up.   

In fact, the business of being an oppressed minority is so good these days that liberals even lie about their membership in one group or another. Being a native American or an international student from Kenya can be quite the advantage.  

The left is responsible for the only systematic discrimination in this country, done under the noble guise of "affirmative action".  Whites have been passed over for academic admissions, hiring, promotions, etc. for years now.  My son, who has never owned slaves (to the best of my knowledge) and who has never even had a chance to discriminate against anyone, will enjoy a career in which he sees less qualified minorities promoted over him.  And now I see that pointing out this actual discrimination means we have been "triggered".  


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Re: Identity politics....
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2018, 09:47:11 AM »
ya know, that Kentucky woman sure has given the left lots of mileage.  I wager the left was in rejoice when she pulled her stunt- as they now had something specific to point to... 

Let's not pretend she was an outlier or aberration.  The majority on this board supported and defended her actions at the time.  

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Re: Identity politics....
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2018, 09:50:50 AM »
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Let's not pretend she was an outlier or aberration.  The majority on this board supported and defended her actions at the time.  
and i still do. 
there is the law of the land, and then the law of personal conviction.  she chose what her conviction defined.  it defied what the law stipulated, and was brave of her.  it cost her the job, as it should have, but that was the sacrifice she chose.  she demonstrated courage and resolve, something that bewilders those without, and which is the greater portion of the left. 

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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2018, 10:04:55 AM »
OMG, you're an oppressed minority now?
 
I didn't say I was oppressed, I simply pointed out that your entire post was predicated on a a false premise, and wanted to show you lacked the maturity and integrity to acknowledge and take responsibility for it.  If you have to resort to lying about your opponent's position, you should rethink your own.  

What about your white privilege?  Or do you get a pass for that since you're a liberal?
 
What about it?  I thought you said it doesn't exist?

And what's your point about that Kentucky Court Clerk?
 
The point is that there is still a need for advocating for minority rights, which you ignorantly mocked as being unnecessary by wrongly claiming that everyone has equal rights.

This is good stuff Fuzz.

Thanks - it's a shame you're having such a hard time following along.    

It's so hard to keep track of all the various groups of oppressed minorities, and which one is the most oppressed.
 
It's not a competition, so just go ahead and take a caring interest in helping any person or group being treated unfairly and who knows, maybe paradise awaits.    

In fact, minority groups often squabble among themselves about which one is the most oppressed.  Is the LGBQT struggle just like that of the Civil Rights movement in the 60s?
 
Not "just like" it, no, but there are similarities in that you've got liberal/progressives advocating for social and legal equality versus conservative/regressives who like things the way they are/were.

Is the right to taxpayer-paid gender-reassignment surgery (and then back again) the same as the struggle for women's suffrage?
 
Not at all.  

So do you think your diversion has likely taken hold, and you have gotten out of having to admit your error?

I don't. 

In fact, the business of being an oppressed minority is so good these days that liberals even lie about their membership in one group or another. Being a native American or an international student from Kenya can be quite the advantage.  

I have already decried identity politics in this thread, so you're tilting at windmills.  

The left is responsible for the only systematic discrimination in this country, done under the noble guise of "affirmative action".
 
That's a different debate (affirmative action), and one I'm surprised (and glad) we've never had here.  Unlike you, I could debate it from either side.

My son, will enjoy a career in which he sees less qualified minorities promoted over him.
 
How do you know?

And now I see that pointing out this actual discrimination means we have been "triggered"

As everyone can see, that's not why I accused you of being triggered.  And as usual, I get to take solace, comfort, and intellectual vindication from the dishonesty of my opponent.  Thank you, Texie.  It's nice to know I'm right.  



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Re: Identity politics....
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2018, 10:10:08 AM »

there is the law of the land, and then the law of personal conviction.
 
That's not the best description of the dichotomy.  

There's democracy and then there's theocracy.

she chose what her conviction defined.
 
She chose religious dogma over the law of the land.  

it defied what the law stipulated, and was brave of her.
 
One man's bravery is another man's self-righteous bigotry.


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Re: Identity politics....
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2018, 12:56:10 PM »
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One man's (or woman's?) bravery is another man's self-righteous bigotry.
said the lady who refused to give up her seat on a bus to others of lighter complexion. 

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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2018, 06:59:27 PM »
said the lady who refused to give up her seat on a bus to others of lighter complexion.
 
You misunderstand my post - what it meant was that where one man sees bravery, another man sees self-righteous bigotry.  

Rosa Parks is famous for a brave response to bigotry which not the same thing as two people having a different perception of the same action (since no one thought Parks' response was bigoted).  
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Re: Identity politics....
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2018, 07:26:37 PM »


Fuzz like his twin of a different mother fails to see and understand the roll choice plays in either side 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

 

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