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Kingsvol

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Re: I would like to personally thank Amb. Gordon Sondland...
« Reply #56 on: November 21, 2019, 09:44:22 AM »
Quick note on presumption - we deal with this all the time.  For example, if there is a murder case and you have clear evidence that the defendant shot and killed a person, you still have to prove intent before a murder conviction can stand.  Even if the the defendant strenuously claims that he didn't intend to kill the person, perhaps even writes it down and claims complete innocence, you can still look at the evidence and "presume" his intent that he meant to kill the person by pointing a gun at them and firing.

This nonsense that presumptions are somehow irrelevant is silly.  We have compelling evidence that Trump used his office for personal political gain.  Bribery, corruption - they all fit the facts here.
Well let’s look at the actions.  He told him I want nothing etc.  so unless Trump had a orange pulp in his eye like George Costanza and was winking uncontrollably after he kept saying I want nothing then a normal intelligent person would presume that he wanted nothing.  Because you know words have to mean something.  So based on the evidence you want you should presume that Sondland presumed wrongly.
i can’t believe we are spending money on this shit.  The one good thing is they aren’t making more laws Tom restrict our freedoms even more. 

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« Reply #57 on: November 21, 2019, 09:46:16 AM »
Presumptions would be irrelevant if the same witness gives direct testimony in the same hearing that is completely contrary to the "presumption".
If you're on a jury  and the witness said he presumes someone is guilty of a crime but the same witness testifies  under cross examination that he has direct evidence that the accused didn't commit the crime....what are you going to believe? Presumption or direct evidence?

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« Reply #58 on: November 21, 2019, 09:56:22 AM »
This nonsense that presumptions are somehow irrelevant is silly.  We have compelling evidence that Trump used his office for personal political gain.  Bribery, corruption - they all fit the facts here.

Well.. "bribery" did poll well during a Democrat focus group on impeachment... that's what passes as "facts" for Democrats.

<img src="https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/wa-po-focus-group-testing-bribery.jpg">


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« Reply #59 on: November 21, 2019, 10:06:02 AM »
Presumptions would be irrelevant if the same witness gives direct testimony in the same hearing that is completely contrary to the "presumption".
If you're on a jury  and the witness said he presumes someone is guilty of a crime but the same witness testifies  under cross examination that he has direct evidence that the accused didn't commit the crime....what are you going to believe? Presumption or direct evidence?
He like Fuzz and his merry band prefer to believe feelings over facts 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #60 on: November 21, 2019, 10:10:50 AM »
You have to remember one of the Democrat Congressman on the Committee stated that hearsay evidence was more reliable than direct evidence.
People aren't calling this the "Clown Show" for nothing.

https://www.wnd.com/2019/11/hearsay-better-direct-evidence-dem-congressman-claims/

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« Reply #61 on: November 21, 2019, 10:32:19 AM »
Well.. "bribery" did poll well during a Democrat focus group on impeachment... that's what passes as "facts" for Democrats.

<img src="https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/wa-po-focus-group-testing-bribery.jpg">
This has been poorly planned since the 2016 elections. All it is about is power, not right or wrong. 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #62 on: November 21, 2019, 10:43:34 AM »
Well let’s look at the actions.  He told him I want nothing etc.   
Sondland concluded by the sum of Trump's actions that he was attempting the quid pro quo, and when asked was honest enough to admit Trump's latter-day denial (after Trump knew scheme was uncovered) which did not persuade him of Trump's innocence.    

If we are to apply your "logic" to our criminal justice system, then we'd better let everyone out of jail who ever denied their crimes.  

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« Reply #63 on: November 21, 2019, 10:48:21 AM »

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« Reply #64 on: November 21, 2019, 10:57:18 AM »
Sondland concluded by the sum of Trump's actions that he was attempting the quid pro quo, and when asked was honest enough to admit Trump's latter-day denial (after Trump knew scheme was uncovered) which did not persuade him of Trump's innocence.   

If we are to apply your "logic" to our criminal justice system, then we'd better let everyone out of jail who ever denied their crimes. 

This is the Democrat version of Benghazi.
Except instead of getting killed, the ambassadors are just getting their egos hurt.

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« Reply #66 on: November 21, 2019, 11:05:49 AM »
You obviously only watched the MSM version of Sondland's testimony.
Only the Democrats were allowed to question the witness in the first two hours..then Schiff announced a recess to so he could  have a press conference and announce how damning Sondland's testimony Sondland essentially recanted his entire morning testimony when he admitted  no one had ever told him anything directly except for Trump telling him there was no quid pro quo.

BTW....Schiff just did it again...the Democrats questioned the witnesses for 2 hours...then Schiff  called a recess. What do you want  to bet he's having a press conference right now.

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« Reply #67 on: November 21, 2019, 11:13:11 AM »
This is the Democrat version of Benghazi.
As always, the opposite is true.  This is the Republican version of Benghazi:  ignore the results of the investigation.  

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« Reply #68 on: November 21, 2019, 11:16:45 AM »
Sondland concluded by the sum of Trump's actions that he was attempting the quid pro quo, and when asked was honest enough to admit Trump's latter-day denial (after Trump knew scheme was uncovered) which did not persuade him of Trump's innocence.   

If we are to apply your "logic" to our criminal justice system, then we'd better let everyone out of jail who ever denied their crimes. 
Then by your anybody they think may commit a crime should have their constitutional rights taken away.
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: I would like to personally thank Amb. Gordon Sondland...
« Reply #69 on: November 21, 2019, 11:20:03 AM »
Only the Democrats were allowed to question the witness in the first two hours..then Schiff announced a recess to so he could  have a press conference and announce how damning Sondland's testimony Sondland essentially recanted his entire morning testimony when he admitted  no one had ever told him anything directly except for Trump telling him there was no quid pro quo.

BTW....Schiff just did it again...the Democrats questioned the witnesses for 2 hours...then Schiff  called a recess. What do you want  to bet he's having a press conference right now.

It's called propaganda and narrative engineering.

 

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