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billyboy75

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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2018, 08:05:20 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2018, 10:39:36 AM »
This whole composite device when writing ostensibly non fiction seems to have become popular in some circles. Are there other examples of pols doing this sort of thing I've not been introduced to. Certainly embellishing ones credentials and "street cred" isn't anything new. E. Warren certainly made use of it. 

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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2018, 11:18:45 AM »
I think it's all self-serving political theater to please constituents and position for future opportunities.  Cavanaugh's going to get the seat - the hearings are a formality.  
The basic objection I've seen has been, "OMG, he's a conservative."  Of course, what do you expect?  He doesn't seem particularly evil.  It's going to be interesting to see what actually happens to Roe vs. Wade.  
Now the Republicans do deserve to get screwed out of a SCOTUS pick, since they got away with stealing the Merrick Garland nomination from the Dems.  
You're right.  The vast majority won't read the emails, and will just assume that Booker was making some bold, necessary stand.  Way too melodramatic, but I thought he actually came off better than Harris, who just struck me as a mean, angry, petty person in the hearings.
I don't think it is a certainty that Roe vs. Wade gets overturned, and I think if most national Republicans were honest, they would rather it not be touched.  That would allow them to continue to rail against the evils of abortion to satisfy their supporters, without actually being on the hook for doing something about to all of those in favor of abortion.   Dan posted a cartoon about the Democrats being out of the mainstream on abortion rights, but that just isn't the case.  Being pro-life in Tennessee is a big winner, but 60% nationally favor allowing abortion in most cases, and it is clearly supported by a majority of voters in 30 states comprising 332 electoral votes.  I think abortion is the one red line issue in politics, that can drive people's choice of candidate on both sides.  I think it is a loser for Republicans nationally if it is overturned, and they know it.  If Roe vs. Wade is overturned before the 2020 election, I predict a Republican loss, and the prospects for national victory will be dim for the foreseeable future.

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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2018, 12:19:50 PM »
You're right.  The vast majority won't read the emails, and will just assume that Booker was making some bold, necessary stand.
 
Unfortunately.

Way too melodramatic, but I thought he actually came off better than Harris, who just struck me as a mean, angry, petty person in the hearings.

I didn't see any of them, but she didn't used to strike me as that kind of person, generally.  She may be trying to position herself for the Bernie wing of the party.   

I don't think it is a certainty that Roe vs. Wade gets overturned, and I think if most national Republicans were honest, they would rather it not be touched.
 
I agree with both, but the more I read about it, the more I'm wondering if the evangelical wacko's will get their way.

That would allow them to continue to rail against the evils of abortion to satisfy their supporters, without actually being on the hook for doing something about to all of those in favor of abortion.
 
They're not going to have any more excuses not to take action.  Contrary to Roady's bizarre denials, they could have legislated against it while Bush was in office but apparently didn't get around to it.  I think what they'll actually do is change it in such a way that the states can effectively make it impossible and maybe have a few states left over still performing them.  That way rich girls can still get them.  I also wonder if all this back-alley coat-hanger scare mongering is valid, and if it comes to pass how that will affect the issue.  

Dan posted a cartoon about the Democrats being out of the mainstream on abortion rights, but that just isn't the case.
 
Don't you hate it when you catch yourself reading anything he posted?

Being pro-life in Tennessee is a big winner, but 60% nationally favor allowing abortion in most cases, and it is clearly supported by a majority of voters in 30 states comprising 332 electoral votes.  I think abortion is the one red line issue in politics, that can drive people's choice of candidate on both sides.
 
It's not a big issue for me either way, but I like debating it because I've got such an iron-clad argument.  

I think it is a loser for Republicans nationally if it is overturned, and they know it.  If Roe vs. Wade is overturned before the 2020 election, I predict a Republican loss, and the prospects for national victory will be dim for the foreseeable future.

I think they will figure out a way to "overturn" it without overturning it.  They'll turn it over to the states who will make it impossible and then arm all their propagandists like Roady and Texie with enough BS so they can claim it wasn't overturned.  I'll point out that it might as well have been overturned and post what they actually did, and it will fall on deaf ears.  They're not exactly known for their objectivity or intellectual honesty.  

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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2018, 02:15:34 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2018, 02:39:34 PM »

DunkingDan

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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2018, 02:59:33 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2018, 03:09:15 PM »
Fuzz, I'm probably your biggest fan on this board....I know you are not the type of person that wants to kill babies, while they sleep in their mother's wombs.....

Of all the awful transgressions man can do to each other, nothing is more repulsive than to slaughter the innocent baby while it sleeps...

I know the horrors of war first hand, but this wanting to kill babies is beyond my comprehension.....

Sit rep...Sad.     

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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2018, 04:15:47 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2018, 05:51:36 PM »
Fuzz, I'm probably your biggest fan on this board...

Only because you are a man of humor and heart.

Of all the awful transgressions man can do to each other, nothing is more repulsive than to slaughter the innocent baby while it sleeps...

One insurmountable problem I have with the "pro-life" position is that it insists on protecting the "unborn" from the moment of conception, when it is literally still microscopic.  It can't be asleep, as it doesn't yet even have a brain.  

Christians wrongly believe the fertilized embryo/zygote is immediately "en-souled" upon fertilization.  Thanks to this insanity, they were able to block precious years of embryonic stem cell research, impeding scientific research and untold breakthroughs in healthcare.  

but this wanting to kill babies is beyond my comprehension...

If I wanted to be unfair, I guess I could ask why conservatives love cancer.  


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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2018, 11:31:45 PM »

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FYI : Katmai
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2018, 09:06:13 AM »
" Being pro-life in Tennessee is a big winner, but 60% nationally favor allowing abortion in most cases"





I have no idea where you get your information but you should be reminded this isn't a liberal blog ( or the MSM) where you can just say anything that fits your agenda and people believe it.
The USA isn't pro choice by a 60-40 split.
The latest Gallup polling has the country split evenly at 48% to 48% and that number has been relatively close for the last 4-5 years.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx
« Last Edit: September 11, 2018, 09:34:10 AM by roadvol »

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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2018, 09:28:47 AM »
"They're not going to have any more excuses not to take action.  Contrary to Roady's bizarre denials, they could have legislated against it while Bush was in office but apparently didn't get around to it".


I have to admit I don't recall my "bizarre denials" you mention but have to question your conclusion.I don't deny the conversation ..I just don't recall.
The GOP never had a filibuster proof Senate during Bush's presidency so it would have been impossible to pass any anti abortion legislation during his presidency.
If there's anything Democrats all agree on it's killing unborn babies and it would have been a waste of time to even bring it up for a vote as no Democrat who wants to keep his seat would ever vote in favor of abolishing abortion.
As a matter of reference, the GOP has never had I filibuster proof Senate since Roe vs Wade was made the law.

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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2018, 09:37:32 AM »
The GOP never had a filibuster proof Senate during Bush's presidency so it would have been impossible to pass any anti abortion legislation during his presidency.
Yet they voted 54 times to repeal Obamacare.  It's at least notable that they didn't do the same thing with abortion - apparently because they didn't think that issue was a "winner" that would damage the other party and advance their power.  

 

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