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Topic: How to create an enemy for life....

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P1tchBlack

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Re: How to create an enemy for life....
« Reply #168 on: May 22, 2019, 02:23:29 PM »
Which is why they have special drug/gang/violence units such as the one in your OP that work full time on those problems.  Beat cops can't spend all of their time doing that because they have other important duties including traffic control.
BS.  Any traffic stop that a standard cop is involved can turn into a drug/weapons issue.  Every cop knows how to pat someone down, search a car and identify illegal drugs.  So, again, IF THEY HAVE THE TIME, why wouldn't they do it?

Hightop77

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Re: How to create an enemy for life....
« Reply #169 on: May 22, 2019, 02:28:35 PM »
BS.  Any traffic stop that a standard cop is involved can turn into a drug/weapons issue.  Every cop knows how to pat someone down, search a car and identify illegal drugs.  So, again, IF THEY HAVE THE TIME, why wouldn't they do it?
Doing so would be impractical and an inefficient use of their time.  They already know from prior experience where they are much more likely to find drugs and weapons and therefore wasting time where the odds are unlikely of finding them while neglecting more important duties would reflect the logic of a Dilbert cartoon.  They can't operate like the TSA does for people boarding an airline.  They have other things to do.  

P1tchBlack

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Re: How to create an enemy for life....
« Reply #170 on: May 22, 2019, 02:34:06 PM »
Doing so would be impractical and an inefficient use of their time.  They already know from prior experience where they are much more likely to find drugs and weapons and therefore wasting time where the odds are unlikely of finding them while neglecting more important duties would reflect the logic of a Dilbert cartoon.  They can't operate like the TSA does for people boarding an airline.  They have other things to do. 
Doing so would be impractical and an inefficient use of their time. 

For many cops it wouldn't.  Many cops don't work in high crime areas.  And, again, it's adding at most 10 minutes to a traffic stop. The cops would do it when time allows. This is an invalid argument.

They already know from prior experience where they are much more likely to find drugs and weapons and therefore wasting time where the odds are unlikely of finding them while neglecting more important duties would reflect the logic of a Dilbert cartoon. 

Keeping drugs and guns off the streets is important.  It's a statistical fact that whites and blacks use drugs at nearly identical levels. It's also a fact that people that aren't poor use drugs. (see below).

They can't operate like the TSA does for people boarding an airline.  They have other things to do. 

Some do and some don't.  You've yet to prove that 100% of cops are 100% occupied with "urgent" things from the beginning of their shift until the end.  And, again, it's 10 additional minutes. I promise, the churchgoers can wait for the traffic light to cycle through naturally; they don't need an cop manually operating it every sunday.



Hightop77

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Re: How to create an enemy for life....
« Reply #171 on: May 22, 2019, 02:47:06 PM »






Another straw man.  The issue in your OP is not merely drug usage.  It is gang/drug violence, shootings, murders, and all of the typical chaos and disorder associated with the black ghetto.

P1tchBlack

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Re: How to create an enemy for life....
« Reply #172 on: May 22, 2019, 02:49:46 PM »

Another straw man.  The issue in your OP is not merely drug usage.  It is gang/drug violence, shootings, murders, and all of the typical chaos and disorder associated with the black ghetto.

Well, there's no search for "gang" during a traffic stop, so cops look for what?  Guns and drugs.  Drugs, regardless of your income/color, are illegal and you openly expressed your dislike for the fact that drugs are decriminalized.  So, in an effort to keep illegal guns and drugs off the streets, cops that have the time should check every person they can, right?

Hightop77

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Re: How to create an enemy for life....
« Reply #173 on: May 22, 2019, 02:59:32 PM »
Well, there's no search for "gang" during a traffic stop, so cops look for what?  Guns and drugs.  Drugs, regardless of your income/color, are illegal and you openly expressed your dislike for the fact that drugs are decriminalized.  So, in an effort to keep illegal guns and drugs off the streets, cops that have the time should check every person they can, right?
They aren't normally searching for gang members but they often know who the gang members are.  Also discovering new ones helps keep their intel files current.  Regardless, gangs are important aspect of the ghetto culture of drugs and violence and are at the center of many of the crimes.

P1tchBlack

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Re: How to create an enemy for life....
« Reply #174 on: May 22, 2019, 03:08:40 PM »
They aren't normally searching for gang members but they often know who the gang members are.  Also discovering new ones helps keep their intel files current.  Regardless, gangs are important aspect of the ghetto culture of drugs and violence and are at the center of many of the crimes.

None of that is relevant to this discussion.  Non-gang members, non-poor people, non-blacks use/possess drugs and possess illegal guns.  So, if a cop has the time, as many do, to do a 10 minute search during a routine traffic stop, why not do it?  Routine traffic stops turn into "more" regularly, outside of poor black areas, so this would be nothing new to officers and not outside of their skill set.
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P1tchBlack

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Re: How to create an enemy for life....
« Reply #175 on: May 23, 2019, 09:56:56 AM »
Any conclusions here, HT?  I assume we've moved past the lie that cops don't have any time to conduct a 10 minute search during a traffic stop. I assume we agree that (based on facts provided above) that by only checking poor, black people, we're basically missing out on the majority of drug users in the country.   What issue do you have with patting/searching everyone who's stopped for a minor traffic infraction?

Hightop77

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Re: How to create an enemy for life....
« Reply #176 on: May 23, 2019, 11:00:54 AM »
Any conclusions here, HT?  I assume we've moved past the lie that cops don't have any time to conduct a 10 minute search during a traffic stop. I assume we agree that (based on facts provided above) that by only checking poor, black people, we're basically missing out on the majority of drug users in the country.  What issue do you have with patting/searching everyone who's stopped for a minor traffic infraction?
In summation, police used aggressive tactics to attempt to reduce a 5 alarm fire of shootings and murders in the highest violent crime area of their city.  That was conducted by a special unit and not normal beat cops.  It would be impractical and unproductive to make stops like that in normal situations.  

P1tchBlack

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Re: How to create an enemy for life....
« Reply #177 on: May 23, 2019, 12:28:15 PM »
In summation, police used aggressive tactics to attempt to reduce a 5 alarm fire of shootings and murders in the highest violent crime area of their city. 

The stated goal is removing drugs and guns from the streets.  As noted above, drugs are prevalent in non-poor, non-black areas.

That was conducted by a special unit and not normal beat cops. 

Normal beat cops, as I've said repeatedly, are trained and equipped to conduct the same activities.  Any cop, when initiating a minor traffic stop, is fully aware that it could be complicated by the existence of drugs or weapons.

It would be impractical and unproductive to make stops like that in normal situations. 

It's not impractical.  Beat cops are more than capable of patting someone down and searching a vehicle.  It is a core competency that comes with their position.  It's also not unproductive.  It is a statistical fact that a) blacks and white use drugs at nearly identical rates, b) there is more gross drug usage above the poverty level than below the poverty level and c) cops, despite you repeating the lie, are not occupied with urgent work from start to finish.

So, those two items aside, what issue do you have with cops checking everyone?

P1tchBlack

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Re: How to create an enemy for life....
« Reply #178 on: May 23, 2019, 03:43:07 PM »
In summation, police used aggressive tactics to attempt to reduce a 5 alarm fire of shootings and murders in the highest violent crime area of their city.  That was conducted by a special unit and not normal beat cops.  It would be impractical and unproductive to make stops like that in normal situations. 
I mean, let's just say, hypothetically, that not every cop was swamped with urgent work from the start of their day to the end of their day. Let's acknowledge that all incomes and all Races use drugs. If the police did have time, and we agree that there are guns/drugs everywhere, you would have no problem with police checking every person and their car at a minor traffic stop, right?

P1tchBlack

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Re: How to create an enemy for life....
« Reply #179 on: June 15, 2019, 05:29:35 PM »
Once again they don't have time because it would dominate their time and detract from their ability to respond to emergencies which is their most important function.  The stop in your OP was not a beat cop but instead a special unit which was created for those type of stops.  End of story.
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P1tchBlack

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Re: How to create an enemy for life....
« Reply #180 on: June 15, 2019, 06:39:01 PM »
^^^^So, HT, since have confirmation of what we both already knew to be true, are you ok with cops, who have time, pulling EVERYONE out of their cars, patting them down and checking their car for drugs, regardless of whether or not there's reasonable suspicion to warrant it?^^^^^

Hightop77

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Re: How to create an enemy for life....
« Reply #181 on: June 15, 2019, 10:02:27 PM »
^^^^So, HT, since have confirmation of what we both already knew to be true, are you ok with cops, who have time, pulling EVERYONE out of their cars, patting them down and checking their car for drugs, regardless of whether or not there's reasonable suspicion to warrant it?^^^^^

 

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