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Topic: How disturbing do you find this?

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fuzzynavol

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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #56 on: March 14, 2019, 09:11:28 AM »
But apparently they don't have much common sense, as they keep voting for Democrats - who in general are huge advocates of racial profiling

Typically, liberals oppose racial profiling (I don't - within reason).

and quotas when it comes to filling academic spots.

Correct.

Do I have a dog in this hunt?  Absolutely, as my wife is Chinese and our kids are half-white, half-Asian and will be submitting applications to Universities in the next 1-3 years.  That they are going to be intentionally discriminated against is extremely unfair in my opinion.

Are they going to school in the USA?  

And if so, isn't there an option to either refuse to disclose race, or claim bi-racial (maybe you can use this to your advantage)?  




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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #57 on: March 14, 2019, 09:17:03 AM »
We had an African American family living across the street from us back in the day.  The father was an MD.  The wife asked me where I was "placing" our son in school, they were about to start elementary school.  Well, I said the local school up the street, you?  Her son was going to an exclusive and expensive private school.  Our kids played together a lot, and their kid was a very nice 6 year old kid.  The father got a big time job in Chicago and they moved, good for them, very nice folks, but relatively wealthy and obviously from a wealthier family.

I sold my house to a very nice AA family in 2013.  They both had high end jobs.  I moved two doors over so we were neighbors.  

Now, a white Appalachian kid growing up in rather dire circumstances doesn't get much of a preference.  It's a racial preference, not always going to the right people.

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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #58 on: March 14, 2019, 09:36:52 AM »
My oldest will likely apply to two or three Canadian schools UBC, U of T and Guelph.
And I suspect she'll apply to half a dozen US schools - probably most / all east of the Mississippi.  (She wants four season).
She'll likely major in biology or chemistry.

She does have an advantage of being a female applying for a STEM major I guess.

If we didn't care about it being wrong, I'd tell her to "self-identify" as being African-American.
I have also been warned (more than once) to eliminate any references to her Christian faith, as it is an admittance killer at many of the more "prestigious" schools - your application will get immediately binned - which is a sad state of affairs.

She's a smart kid who works hard and has good grades and test scores (hasn't taken the SAT yet).
She usually hits top 10 percent on global tests that she's had to take every couple of years.

Her first language is English, is fluent in Mandarin, conversational in Cantonese, does a bit in Spanish (three years of schooling) and is self-taught in Korean (she's learning it 'for fun').
She starts Calculus next year in 11th grade - so she'll have two years of Calculus under her belt as well.


But I'm not assuming anything at this point.




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Pot Calls Kettle Black?
« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2019, 09:43:02 AM »
No one.....and I mean no one is more of an ideological freak show on this board that Fuzzyvol.
I often come on this board and not post...I just like to read from Fuzz what the daily talking points from MSNBC, CNN and the Comedy Network are saying.
It's informative if you like fiction and gives me my daily laugh.

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Getting Kids Into College Was Never A Problem For My Kids
« Reply #60 on: March 14, 2019, 09:53:00 AM »
My daughter was on an academic scholarship and my son was on an athletic scholarship.
Getting them out is another story.
My son liked college so much he decided to go on the 5 year plan....less hours, more play.
My daughter graduated in 4 years but the week she graduated she called to tell me she was getting married
( if you've never paid for a wedding you're in for a shock )...and that she was going to grad school.
I had over 10 straight years of college expenses.

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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #61 on: March 14, 2019, 09:58:54 AM »
I told mine undergrad was on me (one had an NROTC thing).  Grad school was on them.  I did cosign one loan on that.

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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #62 on: March 14, 2019, 10:02:05 AM »
I had over 10 straight years of college expenses.

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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #63 on: March 14, 2019, 10:04:26 AM »
My kids are running me US$50,000 per year....for high school.

My son spends the entire school year in Hangzhou next year - which means another $15,000 for room and board for the year....plus six round-trip plane tickets for him and two sets of round-trip tickets for me and my wife....

https://www.cis.edu.hk/hangzhou-cis


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHp0BI0x5_s



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg63Fjjg_mY
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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #64 on: March 14, 2019, 10:11:12 AM »
would it be cheaper to send them to an American school?
Just curious.

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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #65 on: March 14, 2019, 10:13:24 AM »
I suspect your time is coming Fuzz.
My solution.......no vacations , no new furniture,rarely eat out and a new car only when the old one stops or pass the old one down to one of your kids going to college.
Wasn't fun but wouldn't trade that time for anything.
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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2019, 10:25:29 AM »
Boarding schools in the Northeast (where many of her classmates have transferred - along with schools like Eton in the UK) are just as much, if not more.  Almost all international schools in Hong Kong run about the same price (e.g. Hong Kong International School, Singapore International School, Canadian International School).

Take St. Paul's in New Hampshire for example:

2018-19 Cost of Attendance
Tuition, room and board $59,900
Mandatory fees $1,195
Estimated personal expenses $2,710
Estimated total cost of attendance
(not including travel) $63,805

https://www.sps.edu/admission/affording

Schools like Groton are roughly the same price.


But at least from a test score perspective, kids at CIS do quite well.

AVERAGE test scores (half the kids scored better than this):
SAT English:    700 . - 94th percentile
SAT Math:       750 .  - 97th percentile
SAT Chinese:   784 .  - 97th percentile

https://www.cis.edu.hk/uploaded/university_counselling/profile_2018-19.pdf

These kids as a group would be very successful, even if they didn't spend a day on a University campus.
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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #67 on: March 14, 2019, 10:30:01 AM »
My kids are running me US$50,000 per year....for high school.
Slightly off topic, but I'd like to hear your take on this.  
I have a friend who's been doing business with the Chinese for decades (goes to HK multiple times per year).  He's a nice, reasonable guy - a Republican but at his core probably more liberal than I am (as I and the rest of the world defines it, not as Limbaugh and the rest of this board does).
He says as a matter of fact and personal experience that the Chinese people, and certainly the business culture, simply does not value ethics or honesty in the way Westerners do, and they will screw you over for money literally (and I don't use the word loosely) every time.  He knows it's coming and is not angry or bitter about his experiences, it's simply that he has zero faith that he can trust anyone or that will "do the right thing" if there's money involved.  Everything is about leverage, and honesty/integrity is non-existent.  He would say that it's at least partly because he's a "Westerner" and the rules are therefore different - I haven't pinned him down too much on that, and obviously he can't speak to that as well.  He's averse to making racist generalizations, but will talk honestly about his considerable experience.  
Do you think that sounds ridiculous?  
Coincidentally, I once had a Chinese business partner and he couldn't have been nicer or more honest - actually got screwed over by our third Jewish partner.  But I digress...


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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #68 on: March 14, 2019, 10:42:09 AM »
He says as a matter of fact and personal experience that the Chinese people, and certainly the business culture, simply does not value ethics or honesty in the way Westerners do, and they will screw you over for money literally (and I don't use the word loosely) every time. 

Way too general.

I have a good Mainland friend who runs one of the top PE firms in the world.  He's told his staff that they can look at companies in Northeast China if they want to, but it is a waste of time.  He won't look at it, period.  They could be buying the company for $50 million with the company (supposedly) having $100 million net cash on the balance sheet and he won't touch it or bother to even look at it.

My boss, on the other hand, said most of his major deals in the past were done on a handshake.  But they were all done in Hong Kong where the British influence had been around for 150 years.   And where all the rich people know one another.  Screw someone over, and the entire city knows about it by the weekend.  So cheating your way doesn't get you anywhere here in Hong Kong if you've been here for any length of time and are established.

There is a reason why most contracts are struck in Hong Kong with its court system rather than in China.

Weijing Shan, in an interview with Thomas Friedman, was asked what was the worst legacy of the Cultural Revolution.  Shan's answer?  "It taught people to lie."  If you didn't lie, you were likely in prison or dead.  So people were trained and conditioned to lie.  And China suffers from that period to this day. That's why the best investors in China are Mainlanders - they get it and read right through it.

Watch the interview  at the link below - amazing stuff, and a truly brilliant and motivated man.  There is a million like him in China.  If you think you can coast through life, the Chinese are going to eat your lunch.  They are driven, willing to work hard, value education, and are disciplined.  

https://asiasociety.org/video/out-gobi-china-us-and-one-mans-remarkable-odyssey-complete








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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2019, 10:46:40 AM »
I suspect your time is coming Fuzz.

My son's off to UTK in the Fall.  He's getting a lot of scholarship money in the scholars program and we've got enough college savings already so that he's covered (for 4 years, anyway).  My (sophomore) daughter's college savings account is probably under a grand, and she's not going to get the scholarships like her brother.  I would bet money that he'll graduate with 90% A's in college right now.  I just told my wife last night that if our daughter doesn't get her shit together there's a chance she'll end up flunking out.  She's a great kid, never gets in any trouble, and everybody loves her, but she's not as bright as her brother and can't make herself care about academics.  She's a B student but has her head in the clouds.  Maybe she's just spoiled (I'll blame the mother).  

My solution.......no vacations,
 
Eww that's a tough one.  I work from home and need my getaways.  

no new furniture

My wife is clamoring for some - our dog has turned our great-room into a frat house.

rarely eat out
 
Yeah.

and a new car only when the old one stops or pass the old one down to one of your kids going to college.

Yeah - probably never buy another "new" car again.   

Wasn't fun but wouldn't trade that time for anything.

I'm kinda worried about the empty-nest phase - hopefully it'll happen slowly as they go off to college. 

 

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