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billyboy75

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How disturbing do you find this?
« on: March 12, 2019, 06:49:14 PM »
And it appears that almost all of the cheating comes from wealthy liberal parents, and liberal administrators on the take:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auvd9daACGg

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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2019, 06:54:54 PM »
How is this different from giving preferences according to their race or skin color instead of money?

Money isn't politically correct but racial bias is?


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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2019, 07:10:34 PM »
And it appears that almost all of the cheating comes from wealthy liberal parents, and liberal administrators on the take:

How TF do you come up with that assumption?!? 
Because the liberal professor of Harvard for 50 years  said nothing remotely like that.

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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2019, 07:46:57 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/alan-dershowitz-college-cheating-scandal-is-big-and-it-may-get-much-worse

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Universities will now have to decide how to deal with students who are currently enrolled but who never would have been admitted had their parents played by the rules. It will be interesting to see whether these less-qualified students have done any worse than the highly qualified students who were admitted on their merits.

This scandal should incentivize all universities to look hard at their admissions policies. There is a legal difference between a multibillionaire who donates a building to get his or her less- qualified child admitted, and a parent who engaged in the activities alleged in this indictment.

If the indictment is correct, the latter group of parents crossed a legal line by becoming complicit in test cheating and bribery.

However, the moral line is not as clear.

In the case of admissions preferences that were given legally, less-qualified students took the places of more-qualified students in order to achieve results deemed beneficial by the universities that admitted them. These include financial contributions from affluent parents, athletic success and racial diversity.

In the case of the alleged illegal admissions, there were few benefits to the universities – only to the alleged cheaters and the students they helped receive undeserved admissions.

The real victims in this purported bribery scandal were qualified students who worked hard and earned high grades and test scores in high school, but were in some cases denied admission to top universities because the children of wealthy parents improperly took their places.

Will this scandal move schools toward more meritocratic admissions policies? Will it lead to the restoration of grading in schools that have moved away from giving grades?

Today it is very difficult to fail at a university – or even to get a grade of C or D. Even unqualified students do relatively well. Would this alleged scam have worked as well if schools went back to tough grading policies under which unqualified students flunked out?

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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2019, 07:51:38 PM »
The only thing more difficult than getting in to Harvard (etc.) is flunking out.  I presume that they have to make things difficult to fail else those that entered that weren't necessarily qualified would flunk out - hurting their graduation rates.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/dershowitz-college-admissions-scandal-the-tip-of-the-iceberg

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Dershowitz went on to blame universities and colleges for ‘abolishing grades’ which he feels is the fundamental cause of the scandal.
 
“If we went back to the situation that occurred when I started teaching at Harvard almost 60 years ago this couldn't work because these students would fail out,” Dershowitz said. “It didn't pay for them to come into a college because they wouldn't make it through if they didn't have the academic resources to make it.”
 
“But today nobody fails, and today nobody get bad grades.  Nobody even gets C's and in many universities, they've abolished grades,” Dershowitz added.

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And dated (2001), but still massive inflation of grades and awards of honors...

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Harvard-s-dirty-little-secret-is-out-grade-2868775.php


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Last June, a record 91 percent of Harvard students graduated summa, magna, or cum laude, far more than at Yale (51 percent), Princeton (44 percent) and other elite universities, a Globe study has found.

While the world regards these students as the best of the best of America's 13 million undergraduates, Harvard honors has actually become the laughingstock of the Ivy League. The other Ivies see Harvard as the Lake Wobegon of higher education, where all the students, being above average, can take honors for granted.

It takes just a B-minus average in the major subject to earn cum laude -- no sweat at a school where 51 percent of the grades last year were A's and A- minuses.

"Honors at Harvard has just lost all meaning," said Henry Rosovsky, a top dean and acting president at Harvard in the 1970s and '80s. "The bad honors is spoiling the good."

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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2019, 08:19:36 PM »
How many conservative administrators are there in our upscale universities?

Answer:  Almost none.

How many of those identified as being involved in handing out major money to get their kids into prestigious universities are conservatives?   

Answer:  None.

That is how I arrived at my conclusion.  This is more corruption of standards from the left. and the money freely flows.  

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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2019, 08:27:23 PM »
When I was at UT in law school 72 to 75, the son of the sitting governor, Winfield Dunn, applied for admission.

He was rejected, his gpa and last scores weren't sufficient in a time when it wasn't hard to qualify.  Ut would flunk out half of its admissions.  And he still couldn't get in.  You met the criteria or you didn't. 

I took pride in that.  Grades and test scores were the sole and I mean the SOLE criteria.  

That was pre-affirmitive action, pre favored status for women or minorities, and it produced the finest lawyers this state has ever known,
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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2019, 08:32:20 PM »

How many of those identified as being involved in handing out major money to get their kids into prestigious universities are conservatives?  

Answer:  None.

George Bush says, hi.

This is more corruption of standards from the left. and the money freely flows.  



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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2019, 08:37:31 PM »
And what about Obama's college records, admissions, scholarships, citizenship, grades, achievements?  None has been made public.  None ever will because it would expose him to be a charlatan, a liar, and quite likely a foreign student.

Yes, lets get it all out there.  Then we would know Trump wasn't a stellar student.

Then we would know that Obama wasnt a stellar student, and that he claimed not to be a citizen of the USA.

Lets get it ALL out there.  Can we agree on that?

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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2019, 09:05:39 PM »
It's too bad The Chosen One wasn't scrutinized as closely by the media, FBI, and DOJ as Donald Trump.  Of course, you'll dismiss this as a harmless mistake.  Because Obama's so honest.   
 

Obama’s Literary Agent Said He Was Born in Kenya?



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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2019, 09:17:14 PM »
Obama wasn't really born in Kenya, but it wouldn't surprise me if he said he was born there when it benefited him, such as when he applied for admission to Harvard, et al.

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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2019, 09:57:22 PM »
Obama wasn't really born in Kenya, but it wouldn't surprise me if he said he was born there when it benefited him, such as when he applied for admission to Harvard, et al.
The Breitbart article referenced by Snopes never implied that Obama wasn't a natural born US citizen, but it suggests he might have misled people to believe he was Kenyan to gain some advantage.  
I'm sure that was just another in a long, long line of honest mistakes by Barack Obama.  

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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2019, 10:11:23 PM »
And what about Obama's college records, admissions, scholarships, citizenship, grades, achievements?
 
So you're hi-jacking your own thread?  We're talking about admission standards and the "corruption of those standards by the left."  Sorry the last two Republican presidents blow up your theory.  

But in case you'd like to salvage your dignity and stop wallowing in long-debunked rightwing falsehoods, here's what Fox never got around to reporting:
Q: Are Obama’s early records “sealed”?
A: No. Many records that presidential candidates don’t ordinarily release do remain confidential, but they are not “sealed” by a court. The 16 claims in a widely distributed graphic are mostly false or distorted.

FULL QUESTION
Is this true?
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Subj: What?
…and they want 12 years of Romney’s tax returns? THIS should be on billboards all over our nation!
Forward this to others who are interested in re-claiming America and saving our future
FULL ANSWER
This is an example of mostly old baloney in a new casing. It mainly recycles years-old falsehoods and insinuations, most of which we covered long ago, in connection with an earlier viral email.
But with President Barack Obama’s reelection campaign heating up, this new graphic has appeared on countless anti-Obama websites and in viral emails like the one we’ve reprinted here. Very little that it contains is new, and the old falsehoods have not improved with age.
Nothing ‘Sealed’
The idea that any Obama record is “sealed” is a falsehood, to start. The word “sealed” when applied to documents ordinarily refers to records that would normally be public, but that a judge has ruled cannot be released without the court’s permission. Common examples of truly “sealed” documents include records of crimes committed as a juvenile or records of adoptions. None of the claims in this message refers to records actually “sealed” in that usual sense.
In some cases, the records this screed claims are “sealed” are actually public, and open for anyone to see. Other supposedly “sealed” records are normally private documents that Obama hasn’t released — and that other presidential candidates haven’t released either.
So as with earlier versions, this is little more than an attempt to raise suspicions by asking for records that aren’t ordinarily made public, without any evidence that those records contain anything derogatory. We’ll take the claims and questions in the order they appear.

Other Claims
Besides the numbered claims, the graphic also states that Obama has been endorsed by the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). It’s true that the Communist Party USA supports Obama. It claims to have about 2,000 members. Obama didn’t seek the CPUSA endorsement, nor has he endorsed that group.
The graphic also attributes three quotes to Obama, all of which are commonly offered on conservative websites. All the quotes are accurate. Here’s the background:

In summary, there are bits here that are true. But most is wrong or misleading, and overall the graphic falls far short of getting our seal of approval for accuracy. Call it “unsealed.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

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Re: How disturbing do you find this?
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2019, 10:15:16 PM »
It's too bad The Chosen One wasn't scrutinized as closely by the media, FBI, and DOJ as Donald Trump.  Of course, you'll dismiss this as a harmless mistake.  Because Obama's so honest.  
 

Obama’s Literary Agent Said He Was Born in Kenya?



This place is like a zoo or maybe ideological freak show - Drew should charge admission:
Come one, come all!  Come look at the Birthers!  Yes!  They still exist right here!  Step right up!  Come one, come all!
Don't get too close to the cage!  


 

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