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Topic: Historic peace treaty … or preparation for the antichrist?

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Volbrigade/oU

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Re: Historic peace treaty … or preparation for the antichrist?
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2020, 08:59:40 PM »

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Could you point to where I have posted on scientific matters things which are malarkey and delusional, aside from your personal opinion on the topic?



That dude (SO hard not to say “idiot” — I’m better than that, LOL) that said that life originating by unguided forces was no more remarkable than a stone rolling downhill, or words to that effect.  A byproduct of 2LT, or whatever it was.  It was so preposterous, so absurd, I’ve already forgotten it.


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The whole bizarre thing about the "electric force" was rather eye opening for me.

Somehow, I doubt it.

We disagree on matters of science and theology/faith.  I am satisfied that there is scarcely a single item we agree on, regarding those topics. 

Where there is disagreement, at least one party is wrong.

I’m willing to let the matter lie there.  I’m not going to convince you of my views — nor, for that matter, provide anything other than grounds for further defensive disagreement.

“To give truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation.” — George MacDonald

And you are absolutely not going to dissuade me from my views, with obsolete 19th-century materialism and a dispassionate, dismissive, “heigh-ho” attitude.

There is no room for agreement between Godless materialism, which accepts the m2m lie, and morals/values relativism; and instructed Christian faith.  Of COURSE we see things differently.  I would be distressed if we DID agree.

“For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols?” -- 2 Cor. 6:14-16

And so — carry on, my friend.  For my part, this discussion is done.  I’m sure we’ll have occasion to chat again on down the road.  But to continue here is, frankly, a waste of both of our time.   



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Re: Historic peace treaty … or preparation for the antichrist?
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2020, 09:26:09 PM »
That dude (SO hard not to say “idiot” — I’m better than that, LOL) that said that life originating by unguided forces was no more remarkable than a stone rolling downhill, or words to that effect.  A byproduct of 2LT, or whatever it was.  It was so preposterous, so absurd, I’ve already forgotten it.
That dude is an accomplished PhD chemist and thermodynamicist with rather impressive credentials, and his work you are mischaracterizing, not surprisingly.

I posted it because I found it interesting.  I don't have a dog in that fight.  It was interesting.  I still find it interesting.  I don't pretend to have the background to weigh in on its merits.  But you do.  Based on, well, nothing, but your religious views, much like religious folks in the past weighed in on, well, Galileo and Copernicus and Darwin.

But, you, with apparently sparse scientific credentials disagree, who apparently thought the electric force was dominant in keeping stars in their positions in the universe.  Um yeah.

Your personal opinion on science is not something of value to me.  It's malarkey in other words.  I'll go with the scientists.


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Re: Historic peace treaty … or preparation for the antichrist?
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2020, 10:48:10 PM »
Hey Dan — busy day.  Thought I would have time to get into this a little more tonight, but still trying to finish up a few things.  And tomorrow I’ll be totally out of pocket all day.  So let me offer a few brief remarks.

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What is you view on the AntiChrist possibly being multiple people?


It seems clear that the antiChrist is a Satanic tandem.  The Beast, the superman world leader whose “image” those on earth at that time will worship;

and the False Prophet, who ensures, or facilitates (or what have you) the worship of The Beast.  There are Scriptural references fo this; I’ll see if I can provide them later on. 

It is a part of Satan’s — who is a liar and a counterfeiter — counterfeit, unholy trinity:  Himself, the Beast, and the False Prophet.


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I know we have had some in the past who some say are forerunners or lesser AC’s.

I agree with those who maintain that there have been “types” of antiChrist throughout history.  My go-to guy on prophesy is Chuck Missler, as you probably remember.  He cites Nimrod as the first “type” of antiChrist, the first world ruler, under whom paganism was re-introduced into the post-Flood world. 

Missler gets into some really interesting, but not uncontroversial stuff.  For instance, his expositional commentary on The Mazzeroth, which is the Jewish “Zodiac”; and which was originally a pneumonic that told the redemption story.  But was later perverted into its current pagan form.  This is all part of the “tale of two cities” that runs through the Bible, idiomatically.  Jerusalem, which is representative of God’s reign; and Babylon, which represents the world.  Here's vid (lo-res, sorry):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ6szvfApNM

Missler opines that Satan has always had someone groomed and ready to go, since Calvary.  Because he doesn’t know the timing of God’s plan.  But count me among those who believe the clock really started ticking 05/15/1948.

And that the next event on the calendar is The Rapture.  Though some think the Magog Invasion could precede it.  And I have no objection to that view.  I think it's entirely plausible, and likely, that the AC is alive today.  He could be a child, or a teenager, however. 

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What is you opinion on the Mark? Is it a actual Mark or could it be a implant?


The implant thing is highly intriguing.  It could be both — they are developing tattoos with nano-technology that is embedded.

One thing’s for sure:  you won’t be able to buy or sell without it (the mark).  And you’ll have to swear allegiance to the Beast to get it.

Count me among those who believe that many people will come to Christ — millions, maybe millions upon millions — during the Great Tribulation, when they see the things in prophesy actually coming to pass.

They will refuse the mark. And will be executed for it.  They are referred to as “Tribulation Saints” — there’s a great study on this, linking passages of Daniel and Revelation, but it’s a little more than I can tackle now… 

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Re: Historic peace treaty … or preparation for the antichrist?
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2020, 11:34:59 PM »


If it was going to happen, it would have happened by now. 2000 would have been the ideal year. At this point, there really isn't much left to be saved. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
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1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: Historic peace treaty … or preparation for the antichrist?
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2020, 07:26:57 AM »
FYI, the insert used in pets to ID them is about the size of a rice grain.  It has no power internally.  It registers only when scanned at close range.

If I had to guess at a future personal recognition ID system, it would be facial or retinal or perhaps fingerprint, like my phone.  I see folks on FB afraid to take a vaccine for whatever because they think Bill Gates wants to0 insert something so as to follow them around, something larger than a rice grain, perhaps something we call a "cell phone".

It also strikes me that the trend is towards more countries, not fewer, and not one.  Sudan, Yugoslavia, Eritrea, etc.

But, the OP is correct in that these peace deals COULD result in the antiChrist.  It's a better prediction than saying WILL by DATE, which in the past has always been ridiculous.  

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Re: Historic peace treaty … or preparation for the antichrist?
« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2020, 12:55:31 PM »
Hey Dan — busy day. 
      Understand been there done that. Right now, I wish I could have one or two around home to catch up, no better make that a couple of weeks. Dang back has had me bed ridden but is slowly getting better.

AntiChrist possibly being multiple people

I thought our former Priest said something about it this past Sunday but due to pain from his surgery his voice is weak and I had no time to pick his mind as we had to leave. If I get a chance this Sunday I’ll ask him as this will probably be my last time to be able to talk to him as they are moving to the Philly area to be near their children and so they can help him as his health will never allow him to do much in this life. Sad
I was wondering if you had read anything on this as I never had. Possible I misunderstood what he said as well.
A after thought he may have been talking about the various people in history that people thought at the time may be the anti Christ but they were not

types” of antiChrist throughout history.

The littler the dust bin, IMO. Some of our theologians write about them some as well.

The Rapture

I understand the teachings of it. I was raised with it. I also realize it is a theory from modern times and is not what the early Church or desert fathers said would occur. We disagree there and will let it lay. As I said elsewhere there is a good book called Ultimate Things that gives a good overview of our beliefs on it. Some of which I gave some exerts on in  a post and I am repeating below for those who might be interested. The good news is our views converge again shortly after that event occurs by the timeline you believe in the main difference is how we get there .However if you want to expound on your views please do so as others might benefit. As a afterthought I am about back to Daniel in the Bible I would find your views interesting. (I am considering going back to the beginning as there is a entire series of Bible lecture on the web by various Orthodox Theologians that spend a hour or more on many chapters of each book. If I do I will be taking notes for future reference) 
I have bookmarked a link to MIssler and will view it latter. I do appreciate him as I do many other Protestants like Charles Stanely (He retired recently), Vernon McGee, Billy Graham, Charles Swindoll, etc.
Now to steer back to earlier in this thread. I peeked (yep he likes to make false claims about that, he is like Fuzz and is a FI on so many things and just a crap throwing troll) and saw someone having a hissy fit (now he is whining about lengthy post along with someone else. That is part of their problem they are to lazy to read and think)  over your remarks about electrical field remarks. I scratched my head as I recall something being mention by Dr. Cravens ( my astrophysics professor at UT way back when). I do not recall all he said he said on the subject. So I thought about our labs. I do not recall it being part of any of our calculations but that was many years ago. So I did a brief search on the web and found some recent papers that stated they thought it was part of the gravitational field or something that better explains some of the odd orbits. I did not read much and they had their math formulas and they were fairly advanced. I had no inclination to follow up on any of it or dwell into it, as what does it really matter to me anymore? It don’t.  Something else I saw in the quick was most added in magnetic fields of planet. So you seem be correct to some degree as is our gravitational expert (After all the universe does revolve around him – sarcasm intended) based on my quick search.

As a note Dr. Cravens had pi memorized to 26 decimal places and used it in his calculations. He was old then. A few years latter my work hire a physics prof to go over some stuff with us and he was in his 70's and he talked about Dr. Cravens teaching him back when he was in school and talked about how old he was then. He and I talked about him some after class. Both were great people, teachers, etc.

I wonder now if he was related to the Cravens I latter in life as many of them were very brilliant, one even was a engineer for NASA on the moon shots, another was a world renown Plastic Surgeon, another one of the best legal minds in Tenn. at the time , and the other did a lot of important work at the Labs in Oak Ridge.

In closing I am adding links as well as  two previous posts I had made incase anyone is interested.


https://www.cfb51.com/area-51/what-does-the-fututre-hold/msg250528/#msg250528

Quote from: Volbrigade/oU on August 25, 2020, 10:13:27 PM
No offense, Cincy — but when I want an opinion on Biblical matters, I’ll get it from someone who doesn’t use the term “Revelations”.

It is the “Revelation” — singular — of Jesus Christ.

And it was given to Him, to “show His servants” — one of which, John, recorded what he was told to record:  1).  the things he had seen (his Gospel); 2).  the “things that are” — the Seven Letters to the Seven Churches;  3).  and the things that will “take place after this” — which consumes most of the rest of the book. 
Well @Volbrigade/oU some of what you recently posted concerns some of what I posted earlier in this thread (here) which was a unfinished post I had started to Cincy in a thread long since past. I am going to expound on it some here, with a few cut and pastes from a a book on the Orthodox view of the end times ( Ultimate Things
Ultimate Things) . In looking last night, I thought besides the Hard Copy I have that it was a Kindle book as well and I could loan it to you if you were curious, however it is in my Logos Software and that is a no go. You will notice while your views and mine differ, there is a lot more in common. I am sure some will take issues with that but.....

I am sure you can fill in a lot of the blanks in between as can @Drew4UTk and a few others. Some of what I posted answer some of the historical questions to some degree or objections some have raised.  I have not included anything with the 7 years, the judgments, etc. Most of which goes hand in hand with your beliefs. Additionally it will make this post or series of post to long for most who only want a sound bite. 

Anyhow here goes.

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The modern age has ended,” declared Czech Republic President Vaclav Havel in 1994. “Today, many things indicate that we are going through a transitional period, when it seems that something is on the way out and something else is painfully being born. It is as if something were crumbling, decaying, and exhausting itself, while something else, still indistinct, were arising from the rubble.”
Man is no longer content to be merely man (even though he has conspicuously failed to meet the high demands of the job)—he wants to be “God”!
The conventional moral order, based on a recognition of divine principles, has been rejected. A malevolent “nothing” has replaced them. And in this absence of holiness, wisdom, and godly power, only “nothing” can be accomplished, for as Jesus said, “the night is coming when no one can work” (John 9:4).
Be saved from this perverse generation,” Saint Peter exhorted Christians on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:40). Likewise, the Lord warned that “this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place” (Matthew 24:34). The things He referred to were the events of the last days, and the generation is our own. Saint John Chrysostom (d. 407) stressed that the Lord spoke “not of the generation then living, but of that of the believers.”
those who will deny men freedom first attempt to deny them truth. Yet Truth can never be fully repressed, for it is not a fact or dogma, but a Person. Even if all books are burned and memories obliterated, “neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 8:38, 39, emphasis added).
As a prelude to the end times, Saint John called this entire period between Christ’s First and Second Comings the “last hour”: “Little children, it is the last hour” (1 John 2:18).
There is quite broad agreement among the Holy Fathers and modern scholars that the four kingdoms of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream refer to specific earthly empires. Saint Cyril of Jerusalem explained that “as the first kingdom [gold] which became renowned was that of the Assyrians, and the second [silver], that of the Medes and Persians together, and after these, that of the Macedonians was the third [bronze], so the fourth kingdom [iron] now is that of the Romans.
The Roman kingdom had two distinct periods, represented by the legs and the feet. The legs of the first period are wholly of iron and thus very strong. Yet there are two legs, suggesting the historical division of the Roman Empire into East and West. The feet, representing the second Roman period, are partly of iron and partly of clay. Because of this mixing, they are weaker. The ten toes suggest the ten nations (called “ten horns” in Daniel 7:7) of the final phase of the Roman Empire from which Antichrist is to make his appearance. This phase, as we will see, is our modern times.
The fourth beast, like the fourth kingdom, describes a world that has rejected God and truth.
Rome has in fact lasted until the end times. To see this, however, one must understand how the Roman Empire was transformed over the course of history. In the fourth century Emperor Constantine the Great moved his capital to Byzantium, naming it the second “Rome.” When Constantinople fell to the Turks in the fifteenth century, Orthodox Christian Moscow became the third “Rome.” But even more important than these geographical changes was the transformation of the “Roman Empire” from a merely political/administrative entity into a spiritual monarchy
Having led their own King to death on the Cross, the Jews shunned their Protector, and they would consequently be taken captive, dispersed, and killed. “For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.… And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled” (Luke 21:22, 24).
For nearly two millennia the Jewish people had no permanent home, as the diaspora spread throughout the world. God had revealed, however, that Israel’s punishment would eventually have an end and the Jews would be drawn back to the Promised Land. “After many days you will be visited,” wrote Ezekiel. “In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely” (Ezekiel 38:8).
According to Saint Andrew of Caesarea, this “thousand years” represents the entire period from the Incarnation of Christ to the coming of Antichrist.
the early Church Fathers declare that the first resurrection refers specifically to Christian baptism
The Church even now is the kingdom of Christ, and the kingdom of heaven.” Thus, “life” in the Church signifies spiritual life through baptism. Augustine continues, “Whosoever has not lived until the thousand years be finished, i.e. during this whole time in which the first resurrection is going on—whosoever has not heard the voice of the Son of God, and passed from death to life—that man shall certainly in the second resurrection, the resurrection of the flesh, pass with his flesh into the second death.”
Secular “history,” ignoring Christ, cannot comprehend the spiritual reality which undergirds worldly happenings
Then Satan will be loosed for a “little while,” as Saint John says in Revelation 20. This catastrophic event can be said to mark conclusively the beginning of the end, which will culminate with our Lord’s Return and the Last Judgment.
So fundamental was the Christian monarchy for protecting the peoples of the earth during the Church age that history cannot be properly understood apart from it
Throughout the Church age, the mystery of iniquity worked subtly and insidiously to foster unbelief. Satanically inspired humanism, which had received such impetus during the Renaissance and Enlightenment, reached its nihilistic nadir in the early twentieth century in the form of atheistic communism. The utopian ideology which is at the root of communism, and in fact of most secular thought, is seldom clearly realized even by its adherents; it has become part of the unexamined ideological inheritance of the post-Enlightenment era.
“One has to realize what Communism is,” insisted Father Seraphim Rose. “Not merely a power-mad political regime, but an ideological-religious system whose aim is to overthrow and supplant all other systems, most of all Christianity. Communism is actually a very powerful heresy whose central thesis … is chiliasm or millennialism: history is to reach its culmination in an indefinite state of earthly blessedness, a perfected mankind living in perfect peace and harmony.”
Now when the thousand years have expired,” wrote Saint John, “Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle” (Revelation 20:7, 8).
The dragon was free at last, but “having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time” (Revelation 12:12). He has only a little while to bring the world to a fever pitch of apostasy, degradation and violence through the person of Antichrist. As Archbishop Averky wrote, “By the ‘loosing of Satan out of his prison’ is to be understood the appearance of Antichrist before the end of the world. The liberated Satan will strive in the person of Antichrist to deceive all the nations of the earth.”

Since the destruction of the monarchy, the world has suffered evil of such monstrous proportions that nothing in previous history compares to it. Daniel’s prediction of “a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation, even to that time” (Daniel 12:1) has begun to come true with a vengeance. One generation has seen two world wars, innumerable and continuous smaller conflagrations, annihilation of entire cities with atomic bombs, mass murders of millions, Naziism, fascism, communism, virulent epidemics, and worldwide falling away from the Faith. It is more than evident that, as Father Michael Azkoul writes, “the fall of the Christian Roman Empire has wrought everywhere the collapse of civil and ecclesiastical order.”
“In the world today examples of godlessness abound—nuclear weapons, dangerous genetics experiments, pollution, wars, famines and terrible new diseases. In the realm of morality, shameless excesses are committed. Millions of unborn children are slaughtered each year. Perversity has become an accepted ‘choice.’ Drug use is killing off young people, who are listening to so-called music with satanic overtones. And one could go on.”
Bolshevism took its cues from the French Revolution, adopting many of the same objectives and methods, with the goal of establishing a totally secular and godless society. In Russia, however, the monarchy was not merely Christian in principle, but was the specific inheritor of the crown of Constantine, as well as the guardian of Orthodoxy. The tsar served as the “seal” of the mystery of lawlessness not merely for the Russian people, but for the world.
Israel’s Prophets spoke of these troubles afflicting not only human society, but even the natural world. The earth will tremble from storms and convulsions. Devastating sickness will spread through populations. Senseless wars and other manmade disasters will create misery and agony. Yet all these, as Jesus warned, signal merely the beginning.
The philosophical rejection of truth corresponds to a theological rejection of the source of truth, God. Nihilism—the belief in nothing—is the spiritual antithesis of belief in a heavenly Father. The permeation of this pseudophilosophy into human society has proceeded most efficiently within scientific spheres of thought, where man’s desire to define life in terms of himself is seemingly legitimized by the conceit of objectivity.
Nihilism has created the nothingness into which these spirits are invited. A house that is swept and emptied of Christian principles is totally vulnerable to the multiple wickednesses of Satan, who is filled with “great wrath” because of his limited time to do evil.
Christ and Antichrist have always been and will always be the only choices. Nor is it possible to be in both camps at once, because “no one can serve two masters” (Matthew 6:24). Fence-straddlers who imagine that they are maintaining some kind of “objective” stance have already landed in the enemy’s court. “He who is not with Me is against Me,” warned Jesus (Luke 11:23).

Lactantius pointed out that in the last days “neither sex nor infancy will be spared. All things will be confused and mixed together contrary to the divine law and to the laws of nature.” This well describes modern attitudes tolerating aberrations such as homosexuality and voluntary abortion.
Saint Nilus, a monk of Mount Athos, anticipated this incredible development in the nineteenth century: “The people of that time will be unrecognizable. When the time of the appearance of Antichrist will be near, people’s reason will be darkened because of carnal sins; criminality and impiety will increase more and more. The world will become unrecognizable; people’s appearance will change, and it will be impossible to distinguish men from women because of the shamelessness in fashions and hair styles. These people will become coarse, wild, and cruel, like animals because of the temptations of Antichrist. There will be no respect for parents and elders, love will disappear.
“Then Christian tradition and manners will change. Modesty and chastity will disappear; instead, fornication and dissipation will reign among the people. Deceit and avarice will reach unbelievable levels.… Fornication, adultery, homosexuality, crafty deeds, theft, and murder will dominate society.… The Church of God will be deprived of God-fearing pastors.”
There is a relationship between the name, the mark, and the image of the beast, and Saint John wrote that “they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name” (Revelation 14:11). Epiphany Journal reported that “in Kabbalistic numerology, with which John was most assuredly familiar, the number six is the sign of complete manifestation; it is the last point before the number seven which is the number of God. Six therefore would represent the kingdom of man and nature without God; carried to the third power (666) it could signify the extension of godlessness into every sphere—body, mind and soul. (The number six, as others have noted, also appears three times in every UPC [Universal Product Code] symbol.)”
In actual practice, of course, euphemisms like “birth control” and “reproductive services” primarily mean abortion. Visible corpses are perceived as the best way of insuring that new names are not added to the roster of living humans. Abortion has been loudly touted as a woman’s “right” and a prerogative of her “choice,” but these emotion-grabbing buzz words serve primarily to draw the gullible into a foray which many would otherwise shun.
Abortion is quite possibly the premier manifestation of social negation in our “post-Christian” times
In 1990, Ken Burns’ documentary pricked the national conscience over the human cost of the Civil War. Over 500,000 soldiers died in that conflagration, more Americans than in any other war. Yet during the year in which the documentary’s popularity played out, 1.6 million children were legally butchered by abortion in this country alone. Worldwide, that abortion figure was fifty-five million. Across the planet, 105 babies are killed by their mothers every minute.
In rejecting Christ, society has again become pagan, which is to say, demon-worshiping. Human sacrifice has re-emerged, not as a superstitious practice, but as one rife with scientific, economic, and social justifications. On stainless-steel tables, in scrubbed rooms reeking of antiseptic and anesthetic, women offer the fruit of their wombs up to a merciless idol who scorns both them and their costly sacrifice. And this abominable crime is no longer limited to some freak group of deluded savages, but has replicated itself in sinister abandon across the face of the earth.
A humanity taught by science that whatever they want they can have, and by Hollywood to believe that whatever they see is true, will be enchanted and mystified by the wonders of the false prophet. His magical presentations will pique, and at the same time deaden, the longing in their souls for true heavenly visions.
The seventh and last church period, as described in the third chapter of Revelation, belongs to the period of Antichrist’s reign. For this church, Laodicea, our Lord has only condemnation: “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked—I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see” (Revelation 3:15–18).
Pagan Rome was a type or premonition of that future godless kingdom which Antichrist shall establish. The last Roman Empire, like the first, is destined to be overwhelmingly hostile to the few Christians in its midst. “Christianity began as the religion of a small minority existing in a predominantly non-Christian society, and such it is becoming once more,” warns Bishop Kallistos Ware of England.
Christians can be consoled in that this incredible war represents the final event before Christ’s Return. With its conclusion, all “wars and rumors of wars” (Mark 13:7) will cease. The prayer which has issued passionately from so many hearts may then forever rest: “Deliver me from eternal fire, from wicked war and from hell” (Midnight Song to the Most Holy Mother of God).
Metropolitan Anthony of Sourozh pointed out that the presence of Noah among his generation was both condemnation and salvation: “It was condemnation because the presence of one man who had remained faithful … was evidence that that was possible, and that those who were sinners, those who had rejected God … could have done likewise.… Yet it was also the salvation of his time, because he was the only one thanks to whom God looked with mercy upon man.”
The Christians of this generation may be history’s most disadvantaged. Living in perhaps the worst spiritual circumstances of all time, they are surrounded by a world which rejects Truth and opposes God. Authentic spiritual guidance, in this age which is nearly bereft of godly elders, is extremely difficult to find. Even with the great works of the Apostles and the ascetic achievements of the Holy Fathers as examples, today’s believers are plagued with inertia and feebleness.

https://www.cfb51.com/area-51/what-does-the-fututre-hold/msg249981/#msg249981

You have asked about some issues that I have not answered. I am going to address some of those currently. Take note this is not to engage in a debate or have a lengthy exchange mainly as I don’t have a lot of time nor inclination to have lengthy discussion. However, that is not saying I won’t answer at some point either, I may just bookmark it and answer when I get around to it. I can also look up and find a source in your area that  may give you an in depth face to face discussion over some of there issues if you so desire

Sorry if it appears to ramble some. I am typing this in word so I can add a few things over a few days as I think on it, but I am not going to edit it very much, if any. 

Many of these issues have been covered in depth at various times in the past both on this board and the original A51. So, that too adds to my inclination to not rehash anything to any depth.

As to Orthodox, it is the closest thing to what Christ and the Apostles put forth as a means of worship, what Christ said and what he and the Bible actually means/says in context (I have already in the past discussed understand the language the text was written in/ the culture of the times/ how it relates to the rest of the Bible/ realizing the OT is mostly about Christ and the NT is Christ revealed/ grasping the different natures of many of the different types of writing in the Holy Bible/ etc.) . There are many tests to this, and they all pass any sniff test. Many religions have attempted to get back to Orthodoxy, but they still fall short. That’s ok. God/Christ did not say thou shall be Orthodox, but they set forth certain standards.

No one Christian faith has an exclusive right to the Gates to the Kingdom. Many Baptist are essentially Orthodox both Pastors, parishioners and theologians as are other Christian Religions. However, many of the Religions are only worthy of saying “Satan, get thee behind me’’ to. Not all the individuals or some individual Churches of those Religions as they do not follow the non-Biblical, but the man made (or modernity) teaching of their Church Denomination will miss out on going thought the Pearly Gates. I can only guess what the Fathers would say if they saw some of what we have now. The Book of Revelation addresses this is well.

Christ laid out some markers as to the end time, as does the rest of the Bible. Christ himself said only the father knows the day and time, but there are signs.  However, to take them one by one is a mistake Biblically speaking. The End Times of modernity as well as the Left Behind is fiction. In the past I have posted some things from the elders and monks have said as well as some current Church Leaders. It is difficult to put a finger on and even harder to explain to a catechumen, little alone one who has their own thoughts fueled by a lifetime of misinformation. That is not to say that everything you or others have read, been taught, etc. is wrong but for many it is. However, the more you verse yourself in the world and see what is going on, it is impossible to ignore prophecies playing out before your eyes. Likewise, despite what modernist tell you, something the Bible speaks of are mysteries. We are not meant to have a full understanding until God lifts the veil. If you like I can give you a small list of books concerning this.

Now Volbrigade/Ou believes in the more modern theory as to how it will all unfold, but the end result is the same. That is ok. His modernity is still the same message in that the results are the same, what was evil is still evil, what was good is still good, Christ is the only path, etc. It is not from a differ book or with different rules, etc.

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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Historic peace treaty … or preparation for the antichrist?
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2020, 01:02:31 PM »
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Re: Historic peace treaty … or preparation for the antichrist?
« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2020, 01:07:16 PM »
We need a 1,000 word cap on posts.
He would go on, but it's not worth.  So, be thankful he didn't.

What else is the place for if not entertainment?

One funny thing is how folks have you on ignore but can't help themselves from peaking.  But, I can see if a poster is a meanie they would try not to open his posts because it makes them feel bad and oppressed.

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« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2020, 03:44:07 PM »
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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2020, 04:38:30 PM »
      Now to steer back to earlier in this thread. I peeked (yep he likes to make false claims about that, he is like Fuzz and is a FI on so many things and just a crap throwing troll) and saw someone having a hissy git (now he is whining about lengthy post along with someone else. That is part of their problem they are to lazy to read and think)  over your remarks about electrical field remarks. I scratched my head as I recall something being mention by Dr. Cravens (astrophysics professor at UT way back when). I do not recall what he said. So I thought about our labs. I do not recall it being part of any of our calculations but that was many years ago. So I did a brief search on the web and found some recent papers that stated they thought it was part of the gravitational field or something that better explains some of the odd orbits. I did not red much and the math they had was formulas I do not recall and had no inclination to follow up on or dwell into as what does it really matter to me anymore, it don’t.  Add in magnetic fields of planets and how little we know you might be correct to some degree as is our gravitational expert (After all the universe does revolve around him – sarcasm intended).
In close I am adding links as well as  two previous posts I had made incase anyone is interested.
This is perhaps worth "saving".

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« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2020, 05:05:21 PM »
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/OrbitsHistory/page2.php#:~:text=Newton%27s%20laws%20of%20motion%20and,constant%20pull%20on%20our%20planet.&text=The%20rise%20and%20fall%20of,Moon%20as%20it%20orbits%20Earth.

A pretty basic primer on the force controlling planetary orbits.  As noted, the force due to charge is not significant because planets and the sun don't have nearly as much relative charge as they have mass, so mass dominates, and charge of course can be either repulsive or attractive.  It's not a factor in calculating orbits.  NASA et al. just use gravity, and at times General Relativity, to calculate orbits very precisely well off into the future, and of course this is how they calculate the trajectory of space proves sent to other planets, and even satellites to be inserted into Earth orbit.

If you want to argue otherwise, well, have at it, if you ever RECALL anything about high school physics.

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« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2020, 06:01:30 PM »
There is an interesting twist on this that has been tested.  A satellite can drop a "line" down into the magnetosphere (or up) and either pull current in so doing to recharge batteries, or reverse the process and discharge.  The former causes a loss in orbital velocity and the latter increases it.  It's an interesting method of maintaining an orbit if one has sufficient power without using reaction mass.


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« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2020, 09:52:49 PM »
Thanks, @DunkingDan .  Good stuff.

One little thing re the Rapture doctrine.

It’s a common misconception that it originated in the 19th century with Darby, and all that.

Actually, Paul makes a pretty strong case for it.  And it is intimated throughout OT scripture.  Also, it was advanced in writing by an early Church father, Ephraem The Syrian, as documented here:

https://www.khouse.org/articles/1995/39/

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If it was going to happen, it would have happened by now. 2000 would have been the ideal year. At this point, there really isn't much left to be saved.


You make a better point than you probably realize, Brutus.
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And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? 8 I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?” — Luke 18:7,8
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The Jews will be there.  Experiencing their salvation through recognition of, and faith in, their Messiah, Jesus Christ.

As for God-hating, Godless, morals and values relativist mankind — it ain’t gonna be pretty.  Justice is getting what you deserve.  Justice will be served.

We are rushing toward the state of utter immorality and amorality and Godlessness that prefigures the Great Tribulation period.

Right now, there are only two things that are unanimously and conclusively considered immoral by secular Whateverist society; that will cause you to lose your livelihood, and to be ostracized by that society:

1.  The belief that two men are not the same as a man and woman.

2.  The belief that Christianized Western society and culture, and the institutions generated by them — e.g., representative republican democracy; individual liberty and autonomy, under a framework of God-given rights and responsibilities; the nuclear family; the scientific method; capitalism, etc. — which are grounded in theism, faith, reason, and rationality:

are clearly superior to any other culture or society on earth, as well as throughout history.

Adhere to either of those two beliefs, and you are a pariah, who should probably do jail time.

Adhere to both:  a justifiable death sentence.


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« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2020, 07:27:01 AM »
Do some folks out there believe a man and a man married is the same as a man and a woman married?  Huh.  I suppose the legal framework is now identical.

This is one thing France does that I like, you get legally married at the "Maire", city hall in effect, and if you want to be married in the church you can then do that, or not.  The legal part and the religious parts are separated.  I have attended two weddings in France, one of them including at the Maire.  They are interesting.  The church weddings and celebration after were quite something to see I think, tres cher.

One had an impressive fireworks display included at night.

The wife and I were married in the backyard.  We had three folks from France present, I suppose they may have viewed it all as rather plain.

As for culture, I've never been to Japan but have had several pretty close friends from there, and what I know of Japan is mostly admirable, in my view.  They have issues of course, and they tend to be rather racist inwardly and don't take well to foreigners living there permanently.

 

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