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Re: Has the End of Time Drawn Near?
« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2020, 02:35:27 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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UN World Food Program Warns Of 'Famines Of Biblical Proportions In 21
« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2020, 02:49:39 PM »
@Volbrigade/oU thought this might interest you. May be just hype as I am not so sure of the source. 
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The UN World Food Program was the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize in 2020, and the head of that agency is warning of the potential for absolutely devastating famines around the globe in 2021.  

The COVID-19 lockdowns that were instituted all over the world this year created tremendous hardship in many wealthy countries, but in poorer nations the economic devastation has created alarming waves of hunger.  

There was hope that things would get better when lockdowns were being lifted, but now a new round of lockdowns is being imposed, and many experts are warning about what this could mean for those living in deep poverty.

David Beasley was absolutely thrilled when his agency was given the Nobel Peace Prize, because all of the attention has given him more opportunities to ask for money.  Because without a massive influx of money, he says that we are going to see "famines of biblical proportions in 2021"...




The head of the World Food Program says the Nobel Peace Prize has given the U.N. agency a spotlight and megaphone to warn world leaders that next year is going to be worse than this year, and without billions of dollars "we are going to have famines of biblical proportions in 2021."

As I have previously explained to my readers, widespread crop failures along with the economic shutdowns brought on by COVID-19 have put a tremendous amount of stress on global food distribution systems.  Food prices are rapidly rising all over the planet, and this is hurting the people at the bottom of the economic food chain the most.

According to Beasley, many areas of the globe are potentially facing a major food crisis "in the next three to six months"...

According to a joint analysis by WFP and the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization in October, 20 countries "are likely to face potential spikes in high acute food insecurity" in the next three to six months, "and require urgent attention."

Of those, Yemen, South Sudan, northeastern Nigeria and Burkina Faso have some areas that "have reached a critical hunger situation following years of conflict or other shocks," the U.N. agencies said, and any further deterioration in coming months "could lead to a risk of famine."

Here in the United States, the good news is that nobody is facing starvation at this point.

But the bad news is that we are in the midst of the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression of the 1930s, and some Americans are waiting in line for up to 12 hours for handouts.  If you don't believe this, here is an excerpt from a news report about a food distribution event that just happened in Texas...

Thousands of families lined up to receive groceries at a Texas food bank this weekend, some queuing for as long as 12 hours as the on-going coronavirus pandemic continues to inflict hunger and economic hardships on the state.


The food bank distribution event, held by North Texas Food Bank (NTFB) in Dallas on Saturday, saw 600,000 pounds of food given away - including 7,000 turkeys.

You have to be pretty desperate to be willing to wait in a line for 12 hours.

But when you are very hungry and you are very short on money, all of a sudden you will be willing to do things that you wouldn't normally do.

For those that wouldn't have a Thanksgiving dinner otherwise, this food distribution event was "a real big deal"...

"I see blessings coming to us cause we all struggling. And I appreciate North Texas helping us out," resident Samantha Woods said while waiting in her vehicle.

"I haven't been working since December, can't find a job, they cut my unemployment, it's a real big deal," said Cynthia Culter.

Elsewhere, millions upon millions of impoverished Americans are facing the possibility of being evicted from their homes right after the holiday season is over.

A national moratorium on evictions is scheduled to end on January 1st, and it is being reported that we could see a record number of evictions in January 2021...

An estimated 11 to 13 million renter households are at risk of eviction, according to Stout, an investment bank and global advisory firm. It predicts there could be as many as 6.4 million potential eviction filings by January 1, 2021 if the CDC moratorium is lifted.
Since the order does not cancel or freeze rent, all of the tenant's back rent will be due come January 1. Without rent relief or an extension of the protection, many struggling renters will -- again -- face eviction.


I have a feeling that the moratorium may be extended, but that will just put even more financial stress on landlords.

And at some point there will be no more moratoriums, and all of that back rent will be due, and most of those households will not be able to pay it and will be evicted anyway.

Meanwhile, more Americans are losing their jobs with each passing day, and the new lockdowns that are being put in place all over the country right now will greatly accelerate that process.

No matter what happens politically, it appears that our national economic nightmare is only going to intensify in 2021, and that means that we are likely to see even more civil unrest.

Of course most people already understand what is happening to our nation, and that is why so many wealthy individuals are fleeing our core urban areas.  According to the New York Post, "far more than 300,000 New Yorkers" have moved out of the city over the past eight months...

City residents filed 295,103 change of address requests from March 1 through Oct. 31, according to data The Post obtained from the US Postal Service under a Freedom of Information Act request.

Since the data details only when 11 or more forwarding requests were made to a particular county outside NYC, the number of moves is actually higher. And a single address change could represent an entire household, which means far more than 300,000 New Yorkers fled the five boroughs.

This is already the craziest time in modern American history, and I will continue to keep my readers updated as we head into another deeply troubled year.

For a long time I have been warning that economic collapse, famine and civil unrest were coming, and now all three are all in the headlines on a continual basis.

Unfortunately, what we have experienced so far is just the beginning.  Global authorities are hoping for a "reset", but what they are going to get is a "great meltdown" instead.






President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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4 Views of the End Times—and What They Have in Common
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2020, 01:42:40 PM »
This excerpt about the end times is adapted from Jesus Wins by Dayton Hartman.

When the movie Independence Day was released, I was a young teenager. My parents told me not to go see that movie. But a movie about an alien invasion? It was too much to resist! After watching nearly two hours of cities being destroyed by alien ships, I came away with three conclusions: First, my parents were right—I was too young for the movie. Second, Jeff Goldblum and Will Smith are the perfect action-movie duo. Third, I would never be able to forget the chorus to the R.E.M. song “It’s the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine).”

That song expresses the human assumption that someday the world will end. As believers, we know it will end. And we know some of the how it will end—at least who wins in the end. We’ve done our best to mine the prophetic texts in Scripture to gain more and more detail that can be quantified and systematized to tell us how the world might end. It’s comforting to know the details of something coming, even if it’s ultimately beyond your control. To know what’s ahead gives us some sense of security. So, for 2,000 years, Christians have tried to piece together what the Bible says about the end.

A wide swath of orthodox interpretations are possible. This post explains the four broad eschatological (end times) categories: amillennialism, postmillennialism, historic premillennialism, and dispensationalism. Each of these views proposes a different take on three key aspects of the end of the world: the millennium, the binding of Satan, and the relationship between Israel and the church.
Amillenialism
Amillennialism’s name is a clear giveaway to its defining mark: “a-millennialism” literally means there is no literal, open, visible, one-thousand-year reign of Christ on earth. Instead, the reign of Christ is understood in a fundamentally different way.
Amillennialism does not have a specific antichrist as advocated in something like the Left Behind series. However, there may be a man of sin (2 Thess 2:1–12), who could fit some kind of antichrist definition or archetype in the modern understanding of the term.
The Reign of Christ: Amillennial thinkers note rightly that the one-thousand-year language describing the millennial period in Revelation 20 can be taken figuratively. So, the thousand-year period isn’t a specific thousand-year cycle on an actual calendar. Instead, with his resurrection and ascension, Christ began his reign. He presently rules on Earth (the millennial age) through his people. And he will return physically, at any moment, to usher in heaven on earth.
The Role of Satan: Satan’s influence has been diminished because he has been bound by Christ. Satan himself is not presently exerting influence over the world.
Israel and the Church: There is not a stark contrast between Israel and the Church. Rather, the Church is spiritual Israel, because Christ is true Israel. This does not mean that the Church has replaced Israel but instead that the church is the fulfillment of God’s promises to Abraham that his offspring (Jesus) would bless all nations (people groups).
Key Passages: John 5:28–29Romans 8:17–232 Peter 3:3–142 Thessalonians 1:5–10.1
Notable Representatives: Augustine of Hippo, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Louis Berkhof, C. S. Lewis, R. C. Sproul.
Postmillenialism

You have very likely never met a committed proponent of postmillennialism. That was not always the case. Early in American history, postmillennialism was, in some sense, an American eschatology. Now it’s a theological peculiarity to hear someone speak of postmillennial ideas. In part, that’s because postmillennialism is a difficult system to quantify. Not only is it a minority position, but postmillennial thinkers tend to disagree about the details. We will take a look at the broad points of agreement here.2
The Reign of Christ: Postmillennialists differ as to whether the reign of Christ is 1,000 years or simply a long period of time. At its core, the distinctive of postmillennial thought is the ever-expanding progress of the gospel until the world becomes markedly Christian. Then, Christ returns. The millennial age is ushered in by the unrelenting advance of the gospel.
The Role of Satan: There is no definitive position on the role of Satan within postmillennial thought. Some postmillennial theologians argue that Satan was bound by Jesus (similar to amillennialism), while others would argue it remains a future event (in agreement with premillenialism).
Israel and the Church: The postmillennial position agrees with amillennialism: the Church is the fulfillment of Israel. The Church is spiritual Israel.
Key Passages: Psalm 2; Isaiah 2:2–4; Matthew 13; 28; John 12.
Notable Representatives: Jonathan Edwards, B. B. Warfield, Greg Bahnsen, Loraine Boettner, Kenneth Gentry, Peter Leithart.3
Premillenialism
Premillennialism is often assumed to be the default view of Christians in America. This is understandable—it is presently the most common view of eschatology held by American evangelicals. While evangelicals are most familiar with the primary framework of premillennial thought, many are unaware that premillennialism has two major divisions: historic premillennialism (the traditional form, often called simply “premillennialism”) and dispensational premillennialism (usually called “dispensationalism”).
Historic premillenialism
The Reign of Christ: Christ will return physically and visibly in order to usher in the millennial reign—but historic premillennialists disagree whether the reign of Christ will be a literal thousand years or just a long period of time.
The Role of Satan: Satan is currently at work in the world, influencing affairs and deceiving the nations. At the return of Christ, Satan will be bound for the duration of the millennial age.
Israel and the Church: Historic premillennialism proposes that the Church is the spiritual fulfillment of Israel in a manner that is very similar to amillennialism and postmillennialism.
Key Passages: This position shares many of the same key passages as amillennialism and postmillennialism. The distinction between the systems has to do with interpretation. Premillennialism places a heavier emphasis on rigidly literal interpretations of key passages than either amillennialism or postmillennialism does.
Notable Representatives: Irenaeus, Wayne Grudem, Robert Gundry, Ben Witherington III, Craig Blomberg.
Dispensationalism
The Reign of Christ: For the majority of dispensationalists, the millennial reign of Christ will begin after his return, at the end of a distinct seven-year period known as the tribulation. The millennial reign of Christ begins at the third coming of Christ. Dispensationalists propose a secret rapture concept in which Christ returns (prior to or midway through the tribulation period) to remove the church from the earth.
The Role of Satan: Like historic premillennialism, dispensationalism argues that Satan is actively at work to resist the Church and to undermine God’s people. He will be bound for the duration of the millennium and only released for a final confrontation following his 1,000-year captivity.
Key Passages: While dispensationalism also shares premillennialism’s more literal approach to the key passages, dispensationalism holds Daniel 9 (on the 70 weeks) as a key passage for interpreting the arc of history. Additionally, classic dispensationalism proposes that the content of the Bible is divided along seven dispensations (or eras). While different schools of dispensationalism categorize these eras differently, one common structure is innocence, conscience, human government, promise, law, grace, and the millennium. Key passages are interpreted through this dispensational framework.
Notable Representatives: Lewis S. Chafer, John Walvoord, Charles Ryrie, Hal Lindsey, John MacArthur.

Summary of the 4 end times views

There’s actually quite a bit of agreement among the various eschatological views. Regarding the reign of Christ: amillennialists (and some postmillennialists) understand the number 1,000 in Revelation as a symbol and the character of Christ’s reign as spiritual; premillennialists (and some postmillennialists) take the number 1,000 literally and understand the character of Christ’s reign to be visible. Everyone agrees that Satan is bound during the millennium. Postmillennialists stick out a bit here, since they disagree over what constitutes the beginning of the millennium. Amillennialists, historic premillennialists, and postmillennialists agree that the Church is the fulfillment of Israel. Dispensationalists sharply distinguish Israel and the Church.
Complicating any effort to distinguish between each of these views is the fact that they share key passages but interpret them differently. History helps clarify areas of agreement and points of departure.
A common hope
The great tradition of the Church puts a different emphasis on eschatology than many modern Christians do. Early Church historian Ronald Heine says this well: “No one ever seems to have been pronounced heretical solely on the basis of his or her understanding of Revelation 20. We should learn from that toleration of diverse views in the early Church and let that example guide us in our thinking about the millennial question.”4
It’s tempting to identify the oldest Christian position on the end times as the correct position. But we need to examine a position’s faithfulness to the Bible, not how old it is or how many people hold it. If the oldest Christian stance is the right one on every issue, we’re in trouble! During the time between Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection, all of the disciples denied the resurrection of the dead. And surely the majority doesn’t determine right doctrine—otherwise, the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15) would have decreed that all gentiles must be circumcised and follow the letter of the Torah.
Yes, we can rank the four approaches to eschatology according to their popularity throughout the Church’s life.5
We can also emphasize their areas of disagreement. Despite differences on the millennial age, the events leading up to the return of Christ, and the relationship between Israel and the church, these eschatologies agree about more than they disagree. None of these deny the basic eschatology of the Apostles’ Creed: “He will come to judge the living and the dead.”
We share one central hope in Jesus’ victory. We should discuss which system(s) most faithfully and consistently interpret the Bible, but we must do so knowing that our hope is a shared hope. Our hero is the same. Jesus returns, and Jesus wins.
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4 Views of the End Times—and What They Have in Common - The Logos Blog




President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Has the End of Time Drawn Near?
« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2020, 01:50:30 PM »
What do folks here think of the term "near" in this context?

- The next year or so.
- Within five years.
- By 2030.
- By 2050.
- We really don't know, it's been 2,000 years and it could be the next second or in another century or more.

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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Has the End of Time Drawn Near?
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2020, 05:39:12 PM »
What do folks here think of the term "near" in this context?

- The next year or so.
- Within five years.
- By 2030.
- By 2050.
- We really don't know, it's been 2,000 years and it could be the next second or in another century or more.

Going back to before Jesus was even born, early Jews thought that the end was near because the environment was so poor.  Paul believed that seeing Jesus on earth, after his crucifixion, was the start of the end of times and the earth returning to the "Kingdom of God".  A byproduct of that is that the gatherings of Christians had no leadership - there were just very casual, unstructured get togethers because Paul was certain that the end was near. Over time, when those gatherings started getting somewhat toxic, someone forged the Pastoral Epistles in Paul's name around 160AD (Paul died in about 65AD) to create a leadership structure in those gatherings, which eventually turned into modern day church services.

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Re: Has the End of Time Drawn Near?
« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2020, 05:43:54 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Has the End of Time Drawn Near?
« Reply #49 on: December 11, 2020, 01:29:51 AM »
Yeah, I hope Jesus returns before you start shooting from a bell tower.
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« Reply #50 on: December 11, 2020, 02:07:33 AM »

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Re: Has the End of Time Drawn Near?
« Reply #51 on: December 11, 2020, 04:22:10 AM »
Well, the phrase "the end is near" is part of our culture now, and I always wonder what is meant by the term "near".

Folks never seem very clear on that simple point.

Future climate forcing potentially without precedent in the last 420 million years (nih.gov)
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« Reply #52 on: December 11, 2020, 10:55:53 AM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #53 on: December 11, 2020, 10:59:19 AM »
So, I should discount and reject my own understanding of things, do I understand that correctly?

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« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2020, 11:07:43 AM »
Well, the phrase "the end is near" is part of our culture now, and I always wonder what is meant by the term "near".

Folks never seem very clear on that simple point.

Future climate forcing potentially without precedent in the last 420 million years (nih.gov)

While people have claimed that the end is near, nobody has any idea.  The end has been expected since before Jesus was even born.  It's all speculation.

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« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2020, 12:20:57 PM »
It's all invented stupidity.  Every generation thinks its special.  Every believer thinks their redeemer will show up when they're alive.  It's so egocentric and vapid.
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