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ATexasVol

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Re: Gun Issues
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2020, 03:55:44 PM »
Most everyone supports some kind of unconstitutional infringement of the 2nd Amendment.  Like taxes, it's really about where you draw the line.  Democrats draw the line at where it feels good and Republicans draw it according the their authoritarian, blue line views.

What in God's name is authoritarian about wanting to exercise one's Constitutional right to keep and bear arms?  In fact, it's exactly the opposite of authoritarian.   




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Re: Gun Issues
« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2020, 04:13:08 PM »
The 1934 Firearms Act already limited automatic weapons, so the right is apparently not absolute (same as any right).  Most states don't allow concealed carry without a license.

It's all whatever SCOTUS says it is at the time.  We could all say it's all unconstitutional if it makes us feel better, but SCOTUS has ruled otherwise.

I skimmed over the Biden "Plan to END Gun Violence".  It is a round up of the usual suspects, and of course would not even touch the primary area of current gun violence.
Progressives have been trying to destroy this nation and the Constitution since the founding days. We had Progressive lunatics in the Supreme Court in the 1800’s. Obtaining documentation to study the intent of the author of a law is fairly simple to obtain in the SCOTUS. Words like “shall not be infringed” are extremely simple to comprehend.

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Re: Gun Issues
« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2020, 04:38:08 PM »
No matter how we understand it, what matters is how SCOTUS interprets it.  Anything else is opinion with no legal standing.

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Re: Gun Issues
« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2020, 05:00:52 PM »
Progressives have been trying to destroy this nation and the Constitution since the founding days. We had Progressive lunatics in the Supreme Court in the 1800’s. Obtaining documentation to study the intent of the author of a law is fairly simple to obtain in the SCOTUS. Words like “shall not be infringed” are extremely simple to comprehend.
Today we have one of the oldest guns we’ve looked at, a Lorenzoni repeating flintlock pistol. The system was designed by an Italian gunmaker in Florence name Michele Lorenzoni. They were made in very small numbers, and the workmanship is stunning, especially considering that they were first manufactured in the 1680s.
Instead of using a revolving cylinder pre-loaded with multiple shots, the Lorenzoni system utilizes powder and ball magazines in the frame of the gun and a rotating breechblock much like a powder throw tool used today for reloading ammunition. But the video describes it better than a written explanation:




https://youtu.be/J_hnC6x036Q?t=33

President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Gun Issues
« Reply #46 on: October 30, 2020, 06:46:37 PM »
Today we have one of the oldest guns we’ve looked at, a Lorenzoni repeating flintlock pistol. The system was designed by an Italian gunmaker in Florence name Michele Lorenzoni. They were made in very small numbers, and the workmanship is stunning, especially considering that they were first manufactured in the 1680s.
Instead of using a revolving cylinder pre-loaded with multiple shots, the Lorenzoni system utilizes powder and ball magazines in the frame of the gun and a rotating breechblock much like a powder throw tool used today for reloading ammunition. But the video describes it better than a written explanation:




https://youtu.be/J_hnC6x036Q?t=33


An absolute work of art. I’d love to own one.

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Re: Gun Issues
« Reply #47 on: October 30, 2020, 06:55:49 PM »
No matter how we understand it, what matters is how SCOTUS interprets it.  Anything else is opinion with no legal standing.
Cincy, ideology like this is what’s going to start a war in this country. People are tired of the governments infringement. Always taking a little here and a little there until it’s completely gone. It’s what the left does and under the disguise of safety or it’s for the children or whatever else bleeding heart excuse they can dream up for sympathy. No, the words are clear. Just because I don’t like something doesn’t give me the right to take it from someone else and particularly when it’s a protected Right found in the first 10 Amendments of the Constitution. Name another Right as defined by our nations founders in the Constitution that has such profound and unbending wording as the 2nd. Why do you think it was worded that way?

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Re: Gun Issues
« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2020, 09:09:40 PM »
an aside... and i don't personally know if this is true, but it was said on my facebook feed and two others confirmed it... 

walmart has pulled all firearms and ammunition from their shelves and supposedly stores starting Wednesday of this week.  the supposed reason is to keep them from looters hands, and in attempt to limit the arms of citizens in the case of widespread civil urest (read: riot's nationwide). 

the election is tuesday... i guess it's better to just wait and see than make guesses on what 'could' happen.  i don't know if it's just in some/certain areas or if it's everywhere... but, it does seem a little bit strange.  


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Re: Gun Issues
« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2020, 01:22:40 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Gun Issues
« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2020, 03:16:02 PM »
an aside... and i don't personally know if this is true, but it was said on my facebook feed and two others confirmed it...

walmart has pulled all firearms and ammunition from their shelves and supposedly stores starting Wednesday of this week.  the supposed reason is to keep them from looters hands, and in attempt to limit the arms of citizens in the case of widespread civil urest (read: riot's nationwide).

the election is tuesday... i guess it's better to just wait and see than make guesses on what 'could' happen.  i don't know if it's just in some/certain areas or if it's everywhere... but, it does seem a little bit strange. 


They moved it all back.

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Parting Shot | Freedom's Day of Reckoning is Upon Us
« Reply #51 on: November 02, 2020, 03:34:02 PM »


John Adams’ observation that “Liberty, once lost, is lost forever” has mostly held true in human history, but not so for the Second Amendment, which, having been ignored, redefined and abused by the political class, has recently been resurrected by the people, thanks in no small part to their association with the NRA.

In the late 1970s, the idea that the U.S. Supreme Court would affirm the plain meaning of the Second Amendment was almost unthinkable, as was the resurgence of concealed carry and the repeal of illegal and counterproductive measures such as registries, waiting limits, one-gun-per-month rules and bans on commonly owned firearms. We have come a long, long way in a short period of time.

But it could all go away in an instant.

The Joe Biden/Kamala Harris agenda calls for the resuscitation of every single one of the measures that have been dismantled during the last 30 years—and more. If elected—and especially if gifted a pliant Democrat Congress—Biden and Harris would set about returning Americans to 1975. And this time they’re playing for keeps.

The progress that has been made in the courts would be reversed. Biden’s record in the U.S. Senate shows that he opposes judges who interpret the U.S. Constitution as it is written in favor of judges who read their personal preferences into the text. Kamala Harris’ record in the U.S. Senate reveals identical instincts, and her record as attorney general of California confirms her to be a radical on the question. Not only did Harris side with the government in D.C. v. Heller (2008), she even joined an amicus brief that argued that a total ban on handguns was constitutionally permissible and that the Second Amendment does not protect an individual right. If Biden and Harris get their way, such fringe notions will become America’s highest law.

Having neutered the courts, Biden and Harris would be free to pursue the remainder of their agenda. Commonly owned firearms and magazines would first be redefined as “assault weapons” and “high-capacity” devices, and then banned. Biden’s platform calls for the registration or confiscation of any gun he deems an “assault weapon,” and both he and Harris have publicly endorsed confiscation of the AR-15, the most-popular rifle in America. Notably, Biden has promised to appoint Beto “Hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15” O’Rourke to “take care of the gun problem” for him. It is no great secret what that would involve.

Ultimately, under a Biden-Harris administration, all guns would be at risk, thanks to Joe Biden’s ignorant fascination with ensuring that “100 percent of firearms sold in America” use a “smart-gun” technology that does not, in fact, exist. Biden has said over and over that “we have the capacity now in a James Bond-style to make sure no one can pull a trigger unless their DNA and fingerprint is on it,” and he has promised to “transition” the firearms industry to this fantasy.

And then there’s the suffocating bureaucracy that Biden and Harris seek to impose. Under their rules, private transfers would be so heavily regulated that merely lending a friend a hunting rifle would be legally perilous. Gun purchases would be limited to one per month, with no exceptions. The online sale of ammunition would be prohibited. States would be encouraged (bullied) into requiring permission slips for every aspect of firearm ownership. As for concealed carry, Biden thinks it is “irrational.” That all of these measures were tried before, and that they failed—indeed, that they coincided with historical spikes in crime—does not seem to matter.

Time and time again, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have told us who they are. We should believe them—and vote accordingly.


https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2020/11/2/parting-shot-freedoms-day-of-reckoning-is-upon-us?fbclid=IwAR3WgEyJlAJFWdJM8j_2nSP70TtJeqbOsV0h5N1nH9HW6SsBgzDk6YxSqjQ
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Michigan Gun Shop Owner: Riots Brought Flood of Single Moms Arming T
« Reply #52 on: November 02, 2020, 03:46:02 PM »
Themselves to Protect Their Children

A Michigan gun shop owner told Breitbart News that Black Lives Matter-related riots in Grand Rapids back in May brought a flood of single mothers into her store seeking to protect their children.

Lisa Mayo owns Flashpoint Firearms in Comstock Park, Michigan, just a few miles north of Grand Rapids.

She said her biggest sales day occurred after rioting in downtown Grand Rapids the night after a George Floyd protest took place. WOOD TV reported that the Grand Rapids Police Department headquarters was tagged with expletives. Storefront windows were smashed. Properties were destroyed. Police cruisers were torched. An estimated $2.4 million in damage was done, according to Mlive.

 
Mayo said her new customers “were scared” after the riots in May. “There was a lot of single mothers that were coming in, never would have believed in their whole entire life that they would own a firearm, and they came to my store and said they need to protect themselves, but more importantly, their children.”
Mayo said a “significant portion” of her customers are from the city of Grand Rapids and poor.
“They’re fearing for their lives, and their budget is around that $200-$350 price range,” she said.
Mayo said that any new tax or regulatory expense imposed on gun ownership, like some of the gun control measures Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden is proposing, “would put them out of the market. I think that is very unwise because those people are probably the top people that need to protect themselves,” she said.
Taxpayers pay “a lot of money” so elected officials can have Secret Service protection, she said.

“Why don’t we have the right to be able to defend ourselves. Common, middle class people don’t have enough money to pay for a bodyguard, so the next best thing is for us to be able to protect ourselves. It’s everyone’s right to own a firearm,” Mayo said.

 
Ed Swadish, owner of Huron Valley Guns in Oakland County’s New Hudson, told Breitbart News that the “lawlessness and destruction of property” in the wake of the Black Lives Matter protests drove increases in sales.
“That just sets people up for wanting to protect themselves,” he said.
Breitbart News previously reported that Biden’s proposed gun policy includes a plan to register so-called “assault weapons” like the AR-15s under the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA), which means these gun owners could be required to register their AR-15s with federal authorities, submit their fingerprints and photographs, potentially submit to an FBI background check, and pay a $200 federal tax on AR-15s they already own, if these owners decide not to participate in any proposed federal buy back program.

Moreover, Biden’s proposal could also apply the same $200 tax and NFA registration requirements to every so-called “high-capacity” magazine a gun owner possesses, if the owner decides not to participate in any proposed buy back program.



The $200 tax on AR-15 rifles alone would impose a collective $3.6 billion in new taxes on the estimated 18 million privately owned AR-15 rifles in the United States.
Biden’s proposed policy does not define how many rounds a “high-capacity” magazine contains, but past gun control legislation like the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban defined it as a capacity of over 10 rounds. Biden himself has criticized the existence of “magazines that can hold multiple bullets in them.”
“Those taxes are so draconian, they would just never happen in a million years. Nobody’s paying those taxes, guaranteed,” Swadish predicted.
“Even if they put it on the retailer, that just means they’re not buying guns from retail anymore,” he added, warning there would be a “gray market” created where owners would buy AR-15 rifles back and forth.
Swadish also argued such taxes would be unconstitutional.
“Their intent is to rile up their base and get more votes and they know the things they’ve mentioned will never happen,” he said.

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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Gun Issues
« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2020, 03:58:34 PM »
What in God's name is authoritarian about wanting to exercise one's Constitutional right to keep and bear arms?  In fact, it's exactly the opposite of authoritarian. 





Authoritarian and blue line are referencing a general sentiment among many Republicans.  Republicans are for gun rights, unless you were once apart of the justice system, then your rights suddenly vanish.  

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Re: Gun Issues
« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2020, 04:29:59 PM »
Well, if Joe is elected, he will END gun violence in the US.  End it, all of it, take it to zero.

And stop the waters from rising.  And fix the debt.  And give us all unicorns.

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« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2020, 04:35:24 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

 

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