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Re: Witholding millions from the Ukraine
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2021, 07:45:35 PM »
I guess you are right - he didn't do it surreptitiously as he bragged about it at a talk at the Council for Foreign Relations.
Yes, I am right.  He was executing Obama Administration policy.  

Your OP says the "Biden Administration" is withholding aid from Ukraine.  If there's some QPQ involved, then please enlighten the board as to the scheme or apologize for the implication.  

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Re: Witholding millions from the Ukraine
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2021, 08:02:51 PM »
Prove there was QPQ with Trump first. He was exonerated.
Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.

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Re: Witholding millions from the Ukraine
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2021, 08:12:12 PM »
Yes, I am right.  He was executing Obama Administration policy. 

Your OP says the "Biden Administration" is withholding aid from Ukraine.  If there's some QPQ involved, then please enlighten the board as to the scheme or apologize for the implication. 


Here's the crux of the issue.   I'll lay it out for you fuzz.   None of you people on the left were able to accept Donald Trump as a legitimate President of the United States.   Y'all fought him tooth-and-nail from day one.   So naturally, all of you snowflakes were horrified to see President Trump setting foreign policy objectives.   That fact stood out in the testimony from the bogus impeachment: foreign policy wonks were offended to see President Trump not follow their "expertise".   

So when you say Biden was executing "Obama Administration policy", President Trump was likewise executing "Trump Administration policy" when he asked a fellow head-of-state to investigate corruption involving Biden's family.   That didn't set well with the corrupt Adam Schiff and corporate media.   

Trump got railroaded, while Biden gets off scot-free.   Your double standards are on full display on this issue.   

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Re: Witholding millions from the Ukraine
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2021, 08:59:05 PM »
Prove there was QPQ with Trump first. He was exonerated.

LOL - is that what you call getting impeached?  This has nothing to do with Trump.  

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.

You made a false allusion - apologize for it.  The truth shall set you free. 

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« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2021, 09:05:39 PM »
Here's the crux of the issue.  I'll lay it out for you fuzz.

Thanks.

None of you people on the left were able to accept Donald Trump as a legitimate President of the United States.

I most certainly did.  Never questioned his birth certificate.  Never accused him or Republicans of voter fraud.

(sensing a little hypocrisy yet?)

That fact stood out in the testimony from the bogus impeachment: foreign policy wonks were offended to see President Trump not follow their "expertise". 

Actually, it was the will of Congress that he surreptitiously refused to follow, and it wasn't due to any "foreign policy" genius on Trump's part - it was to pursue dirty, partisan politics at the risk of world peace.  

So when you say Biden was executing "Obama Administration policy", President Trump was likewise executing "Trump Administration policy" when he asked a fellow head-of-state to investigate corruption involving Biden's family.

If he'd wanted Biden's family investigated, he was legally obligated to use his own DOJ.

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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2021, 09:49:54 PM »
Funny that.  I thought that the Attorney General headed the DoJ....

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html

The President: There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.






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Re: Witholding millions from the Ukraine
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2021, 09:58:17 PM »
None of you people on the left were able to accept Donald Trump as a legitimate President of the United States.

I most certainly did.  Never questioned his birth certificate.  Never accused him or Republicans of voter fraud.

(sensing a little hypocrisy yet?)

Fuzz, you bought into the Russia Collusion hoax hook-line-and-sinker.   You thought Russia helped get him elected.   You have yet to run across a conspiracy theory about Trump that you haven't bought into.   

That fact stood out in the testimony from the bogus impeachment: foreign policy wonks were offended to see President Trump not follow their "expertise". 

Actually, it was the will of Congress that he surreptitiously refused to follow, and it wasn't due to any "foreign policy" genius on Trump's part - it was to pursue dirty, partisan politics at the risk of world peace.  

Oh, is that like Biden's refusal to follow the will of Congress by withholding aid?  Or is it totally different because the two presidents are held to two different standards?   

So when you say Biden was executing "Obama Administration policy", President Trump was likewise executing "Trump Administration policy" when he asked a fellow head-of-state to investigate corruption involving Biden's family.

If he'd wanted Biden's family investigated, he was legally obligated to use his own DOJ.

He was legally obligated to use his own DOJ?  Why?  By what rule?   Trump was on a telephone call with another head of state.   He was within his right, as the President of the United States, to ask another foreign leader to look into a matter of national importance.  Had Obama had that exact same conversation, would you have wanted him impeached?   Own up to your hypocrisy.    


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Re: Witholding millions from the Ukraine
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2021, 07:25:39 AM »
Trump was on a telephone call with another head of state.

The phone call was just the icing on a 50 layer cake of evidence of a scheme that was many months in the making.  

Why do you and HK like to pretend that the phone call was the only evidence?  I'll admit it was damning and proof-enough that the whistleblower was truthful, but lets not pretend the parade of witnesses in the impeachment trial didn't happen.  

He was within his right, as the President of the United States, to ask another foreign leader to look into a matter of national importance.

That wasn't what was going on.  If there were serious, legitimate reasons to have Biden investigated, he would have done so through the proper channels instead of surreptitiously trying to coerce a foreign head-of-state to come up with some pre-ordained conclusions.  

Had Obama had that exact same conversation, would you have wanted him impeached?  
 
That's unimaginable.  Just like I can't imagine Him calling a Democratic Sec. of State and trying to coerce him into giving him the state.  Nor can I imagine being dumb enough to fall for election fraud claims that the maker later confesses "no reasonable person could believe."   

I can't wait for you to wake up wide-eyed one morning and realize what a dupe Trump has made you.  Reality's gonna come down on you like a ton of bricks.   


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Re: Witholding millions from the Ukraine
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2021, 07:31:24 AM »
Fuzz - are you getting part of "the Big Guy's" 10%?  You sure act like it.

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Re: Witholding millions from the Ukraine
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2021, 07:34:52 AM »
Until becoming President, Joe Biden never made more than $235,000 per year in his political career.
Yet he could afford all of these homes?
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Re: Witholding millions from the Ukraine
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2021, 08:01:39 AM »
But of course.  It was why Trump had to go.  Insufficient opportunities for graft for the DC beltway....
But our Democratic friends turn a blind eye each and every time to corruption because it is being done by their side....
And they are justifying "no bids" as "disaster relief" at the same time they claim that there is "no crisis".


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hhs-awarded-biden-ties-530-million-contract-migrant-children

HHS awarded group with Biden ties $530M no-bid contract to house migrant children

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An organization with ties to the Biden administration was awarded a $530 million no-bid federal contract to care for unaccompanied migrant children after they have come across the southern border, a person familiar with the contract confirmed to the Washington Examiner.

The Biden administration has, for the second time in a month, awarded a massive federal contract to the group without allowing other businesses and nonprofit groups to submit their proposals and bids for the job, Axios reported late Tuesday. Family Endeavors, a Texas-based nonprofit organization whose leadership has close ties back to the White House, was awarded an $87 million no-bid contract in March.

Before Lorenzen-Strait joined Family Endeavors, he was on the Biden-Harris transition team working on the DHS policy team, where he vetted political appointees for the Department of Health and Human Services, the department that paid out this most recent contract.

The only exception for no-bid awards are for emergencies, such as disaster relief, according to Carol Thompson, a partner with the Washington-based Federal Practice Group law firm.

 

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