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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2019, 05:27:40 PM »
Hapgood obviously is not some climatologist, and the surface obviously is not the same as the crust.

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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2019, 10:28:44 PM »
Hapgood obviously is not some climatologist, and the surface obviously is not the same as the crust.


You either don't know the meanings of words or you're just plain ignorant and stupid with it.

crust
(krʌst)

n.
1. the brown, hard outer surface of a loaf of bread.
2. a slice of bread from the end of the loaf.

7. the outer layer of the earth, about 22 mi. (35 km) deep under the continents and 6 mi. (10 km) deep under the oceans.







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I don't think any scientists predicted the earth's surface could shift, orbital inclination perhaps


He is a professor of science and a scientist so now your know more than him or Albert Einstein.


Support for this theory was given in a forward by Albert Einstein to one of Hapgood’s books in 1953:

In a polar region there is continual deposition of ice, which is not symmetrically distributed about the pole. The earth’s rotation acts on these unsymmetrically deposited masses, and produces centrifugal momentum that is transmitted to the rigid crust of the earth. The constantly increasing centrifugal momentum produced in this way will, when it has reached a certain point, produce a movement of the earth’s crust over the rest of the earth’s body... (Hapgood, 1958, p. 1)
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« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2019, 07:25:43 AM »
Ice cores from Greenland and Antarctica do not support Hapgood's theory.  The geology of volcanic hot spots like the Hawaiian islands that erupt over the course of millions of years do not either.  And there is no evidence of such a recent drastic climate shift in Antarctica.  In short, it's a lunatic theory, IMO.
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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2019, 07:30:34 AM »
We all Learned that about two thirds of the earth's surface is .... Water, right?

Not crust.  Surface and crust are different things.

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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2019, 08:39:16 AM »
We all Learned that about two thirds of the earth's surface is .... Water, right?

Not crust.  Surface and crust are different things.


Well Gump now you're arguing with definitions from a dictionary. Stupid is as Stupid does.

Water flows down hill or haven't you heard?  If the Continents have shifted or will shift again the oceans will change with the shifting.

Did you even read the article?  Maybe you can explain the ancient maps that show Antarctica without ice which are much older than the modern day discovery of it.
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« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2019, 09:12:13 AM »
I think you are referring to the Piri Reis map.  Offered without comment:

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/07/11/the-piri-reis-map-theories-debunked/


Personally, I'm not sure what to think about the map.  In general I'm suspicious of debunkers.


Here:s another article on the map with pictures:

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/01/02/piri-reis-map-of-1513/
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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2019, 09:48:47 AM »

Well Gump now you're arguing with definitions from a dictionary. Stupid is as Stupid does.

Water flows down hill or haven't you heard?  If the Continents have shifted or will shift again the oceans will change with the shifting.

Did you even read the article?  Maybe you can explain the ancient maps that show Antarctica without ice which are much older than the modern day discovery of it.
Ever read about all the fossils found in Antarctica?
https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=list+of+fossils+found+in+antarctica&fr=yfp-t-s&fp=1&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
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« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2019, 10:30:54 AM »
If you ever are in a mine, or tunnel, or submarine, you are beneath the surface, but not the crust.  If you dive into a pool, you go beneath the surface.

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« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2019, 11:08:21 AM »
I'm confused.  The fossils in Antarctica can be explained by plate tectonics.  Antarctica was not always at the pole.  What has the Earth's crust surface or not have to do with anything?
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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2019, 11:13:28 AM »
I'm confused.  The fossils in Antarctica can be explained by plate tectonics.  Antarctica was not always at the pole.  What has the Earth's crust surface or not have to do with anything?
Based on what we currently know about the science theories on the history of the Earth, I agree.  Something about the discussion reminded me of them and I thought I would just share them. 
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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2019, 11:15:03 AM »
I'm confused.  The fossils in Antarctica can be explained by plate tectonics.  Antarctica was not always at the pole.  What has the Earth's crust surface or not have to do with anything?
Not really anything except to note the surface is not the same as the crust geologically speaking.  Plate techtonics is widely accepted as a theory supported by ample evidence.  Maybe some day they find an ancient city buried under two miles of ice, but I doubt it.

And the dude was of course not remotely a climatologist.

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« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2019, 01:30:17 PM »
Not really anything except to note the surface is not the same as the crust geologically speaking.  Plate techtonics is widely accepted as a theory supported by ample evidence.  Maybe some day they find an ancient city buried under two miles of ice, but I doubt it.

And the dude was of course not remotely a climatologist.

Of course he wasn't he was a scientist he wasn't a stupid climatologist but isn't that what all you global warming nut cases like Al Gore have been claiming that it's science?

Continents have moved and predicted to move again. Oh and take notice Cincy they use the "earth's crust".  You may want to call them and tell them that's not what you think.  :s_laugh:

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Were Africa and South America once connected?

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In the beginning there was Pangea. A supercontinent of immense proportions. It formed roughly around 300 million years ago and began to break apart, into what we know now as the seven continents, 100 million years ago.
This theory that all the continents were once connected is one that is commonly accepted by the scientific community.
Well that begs the question why did it break apart?
The answer lies in plate tectonic. Under the crust of the earth are gigantic land masses called plates. These plates move every year in such small increments to be unnoticeable. But it was not just a big split up. This super continent fell apart in pieces.
The first rift resulted in the pacific ocean.
The second rift resulted in Asia.
And the final rift resulted in Africa.
When looking at a map now one can tell that the continents used to be together. But even in this day the tectonic plates still move so a super continent will once again form but it will be the exact opposite of what it used to be.

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Rice U. scientists use Hawaiian hot spot to study movement of Earth’s poles
Earth’s latest ice age may have been caused by changes deep inside the planet. Based on evidence from the Pacific Ocean, including the position of the Hawaiian Islands, Rice University geophysicists have determined Earth shifted relative to its spin axis within the past 12 million years, which caused Greenland to move far enough toward the north pole to kick off the ice age that began about 3.2 million years ago.

Daniel Woodworth and Richard Gordon

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Daniel Woodworth and Richard Gordon. (Photo by Jeff Fitlow/Rice University)

Their study in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is based on an analysis of fossil signatures from deep ocean sediments, the magnetic signature of oceanic crust and the position of the mantle “hot spot” that created the Hawaiian Islands. Co-authors Richard Gordon and Daniel Woodworth said the evidence suggests Earth spun steadily for millions of years before shifting relative to its spin axis, an effect geophysicists refer to as “true polar wander.”

“The Hawaiian hot spot was fixed, relative to the spin axis, from about 48 million years ago to about 12 million years ago, but it was fixed at a latitude farther north than we find it today,” said Woodworth, a graduate student in Rice’s Department of Earth, Environmental and Planetary Sciences. “By comparing the Hawaiian hot spot to the rest of the Earth, we can see that that shift in location was reflected in the rest of the Earth and is superimposed on the motion of tectonic plates. That tells us that the entire Earth moved, relative to the spin axis, which we interpret to be true polar wander.”

http://news.rice.edu/2018/11/19/true-polar-wander-may-have-caused-ice-age-2/


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More on the Peri Re'is Map
Thought to be one of the earliest "world maps" to show the Americas, the map was originally used to bolster Turkish national pride. Early scholars suggested that it showed accurate latitudes of the South American and African coastlines - only 21 years after the voyages of Columbus! (And remember, Columbus did NOT discover North America - only the Caribbean!) Writing in Piri Re'is own hand described how he had made the map from a collection of ancient maps, supplemented by charts that were drawn by Columbus himself. This suggests that these ancient maps were also available to Columbus and could have been the basis of his daring expedition.
A copy of the map was presented to a diplomat in the U.S. government, where it remained a curious artifact for years. The true mysteries of of this map were eventually discovered by professor Charles H. Hapgood and revealed to the scientific community in his book, Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings.
During scrutiny of the map, Hapgood discovered a partial charting of Antarctica, made during a period when the coast was free of ice. This coastal structure, now covered again by ice, was subsequently verified by satellite radar scanning. Ice core samples of the coastline have fixed the last ice-free period to between 11,000 B.C. and 4,000 B.C.
Our historical understanding of navigation includes a period of time before which it was impossible to determine a ships latitude (North to South position) in the Southern Hemisphere. This was because the known method involved sighting the angle of the only fixed star -- the North Star -- which cannot be seen in the Southern Hemisphere because of the curvature of the Earth. Despite this handicap, these ancient maps showed amazing details and accurate latitude placement of many known islands along the southern most coastlines of Antarctica!

But this paradox of history was even more astounding.

Hapgood has proved that the Piri Re'is map is plotted out in plane geometry, containing latitudes and longitudes at right angles in a traditional "grid"; yet it is obviously copied from an earlier map that was projected using spherical trigonometry! Not only did the early map makers know that the Earth was round, but they had knowledge of its true circumference to within 50 miles!
(See similar map on right, based on spherical projection and used for air flights originating in Cairo to determine distances and fuel consumption. This map was generated using sherical trigonometry -- a science unknown to scholars until its discovery by the mathematician Hipparcus).




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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2019, 01:56:03 PM »
 Hapgood discovered a partial charting of Antarctica, made during a period when the coast was free of ice. This coastal structure, now covered again by ice, was subsequently verified by satellite radar scanning. Ice core samples of the coastline have fixed the last ice-free period to between 11,000 B.C. and 4,000 B.C.
Wonder what they did to fix their climate emergency back then? 
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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2019, 03:57:45 PM »
The map explained

All in all, the Piri Re‘is map of 1513 is easily explained. It shows no unknown lands, least of all Antarctica, and contained errors (such as Columbus’s belief that Cuba was an Asian peninsula) that ought not to have been present if it derived from extremely accurate ancient originals. It also conforms to the prevalent geographical theories of the early sixteenth century, including ideas about the necessity of balancing landmasses in the north with others in the south to prevent the earth from tipping over (just as Hapgood later hypothesised with his crustal displacement theory). Nevertheless, the map was a remarkable achievement, testimony to the skills of Piri as a cartographer and the only surviving representative of the maps made by Columbus during his first two voyages of discovery. As with so much in Bad Archaeology, it is only made mysterious by the wilful ignoring of evidence that explains its methods of composition (most importantly, the legends written by the mapmaker himself) and by making exaggerated claims about its accuracy while its manifest inaccuracy is overlooked.

http://www.badarchaeology.com/old-maps/the-piri-reis-map/


 

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