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VolRage

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Re: Funny thing about Christians...
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2018, 07:35:06 AM »
Just imagine if God made life on Earth like Heaven. What would be the point. It is abundantly clear to me that God isn’t a democrat or progressive loon. He didn’t create utopia on earth and some people can’t seem to comprehend that if He had, there would be no reward for belief and faith other than life on utopia. 

I honestly hope that one day God impacts Fuzzy’s and Pitch’s lives in a profound way they neither can no longer deny His existence. Something like stage 4 cancer cure for a family member they love dearly. Something that can’t be explained by doctors or science. Something that just blows their minds. But until then.........

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Re: Funny thing about Christians...
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2018, 08:27:34 AM »
Just imagine if God made life on Earth like Heaven. What would be the point. It is abundantly clear to me that God isn’t a democrat or progressive loon. He didn’t create utopia on earth and some people can’t seem to comprehend that if He had, there would be no reward for belief and faith other than life on utopia.

I honestly hope that one day God impacts Fuzzy’s and Pitch’s lives in a profound way they neither can no longer deny His existence. Something like stage 4 cancer cure for a family member they love dearly. Something that can’t be explained by doctors or science. Something that just blows their minds. But until then.........
I'm not saying to make earth like heaven.  I'm asking why God would design the earth/universe in such a way that his people are consistently being killed by natural events: earthquakes,  tornadoes, floods, droughts,  tsunamis, etc.

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Re: Funny thing about Christians...
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2018, 08:59:06 AM »
Just imagine if God made life on Earth like Heaven. What would be the point.
 
That's a better question when it's flipped.  What's the point of not making earth like heaven?  Why make people bother to (earn? receive the gift? worship? whatever) their way into a paradise during an 80 year blip for an eternity of bliss?  Are our lives like a reality TV game for god?  Is He kind of a supernatural Bob Barker?   

It is abundantly clear to me that God isn’t a democrat or progressive...

Thank you.  

He didn’t create utopia on earth and some people can’t seem to comprehend that if He had, there would be no reward for belief and faith other than life on utopia.

The fairy tale game show:  "Come On Down!"

I honestly hope that one day God impacts Fuzzy’s and Pitch’s lives in a profound way they neither can no longer deny His existence.
 
I do, too.

Something like stage 4 cancer cure for a family member they love dearly.
 
Oh, that's what you "honestly hope" happens too us?  People like you make lament that Hell isn't real.  That's happened to me several times - it didn't cause me to discard reason and logic.  

Something that can’t be explained by doctors or science.
 
You don't think cancer can be explained by doctors or science?  You really do live in the Dark Ages.    

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Re: Funny thing about Christians...
« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2018, 09:50:14 AM »
However, the same God that has supposedly done all of these wonderful and amazing things, is never held accountable for any of the terrible things that happened as result of his choices.
Do you want to hold him accountable?  Go right ahead.  Maybe he will apologize to you.

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Re: Funny thing about Christians...
« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2018, 09:53:46 AM »
If he wanted to, he could have designed a universe, with completely different laws and physical properties where none of this was even an option.
He has, dummy.  And you're working hard not to get there.

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Re: Funny thing about Christians...
« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2018, 10:11:10 AM »
Do you want to hold him accountable?  Go right ahead.  Maybe he will apologize to you.

Do you think while he's at it he might also apologize for leaving rape and slavery out of the 10 commandments?  


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Re: Funny thing about Christians...
« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2018, 11:12:17 AM »

And, while he's at it, explain why he'd make something as delicious as shrimp and then tell us we can't eat it.

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Re: Funny thing about Christians...
« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2018, 11:15:52 AM »
"Do you think while he's at it he might also apologize for leaving rape and slavery out of the 10 commandments?"

If you want to litigate, then rape is not in the 10 commandments.  Adultery and coveting (women) are.  I think horse sense was more common back then.

Which brings us to "slavery".  Ahh, the layers of translations and interpretations, the changes in society, the ethos, the mores, etc...  In some form, I'm not sure God *is* opposed to slavery - to the extent that the 10 commandments were not disobeyed within its context.

What is a "slave" anyway?  Is it possible to have a slave(s) and treat them within the confines of the 10 commandments?

When you say "slavery" we all know where you're coming from.  Dixie slavery.  Roots.  Kunta Kinte.  And all the rest that shapes the American paradigm that is labeled slavery.  Is it tragic to work directly for food, clothing and shelter?  Or is it more sensible to work for booze and cigarettes and let the taxpayer pay for the rest?  Or maybe just not work at all?

Who's the "slave" in a welfare system?  The taxpayer.  Me.  You.

Happy slaves.

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Re: Funny thing about Christians...
« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2018, 11:31:34 AM »


If you want to litigate, then rape is not in the 10 commandments.
 
It's an open and shut case.
 
Adultery and coveting (women) are.
 
Right.

I think horse sense was more common back then.

You think rape is a recent social phenomenon?  Back when they copped off children's hands for stealing, and husbands could behead their wives for bearing them a daughter?  

Which brings us to "slavery".  Ahh, the layers of translations and interpretations, the changes in society, the ethos, the mores, etc...
 
Conservatives are only capable of nuance at the strangest times, usually when they're rationalizing their indefensible belief system.  

In some form, I'm not sure God *is* opposed to slavery
 
Depends on what the definition of *is* is, right?

What is a "slave" anyway?
 
Someone who is owned by another person as property.

Is it possible to have a slave(s) and treat them within the confines of the 10 commandments?

Yes, which is why the 10 commandments are such a joke.

Is it tragic to work directly for food, clothing and shelter?
 
Well.  God may not support slavery, but you're clearly open to it.

Or is it more sensible to work for booze and cigarettes and let the taxpayer pay for the rest?  Or maybe just not work at all.  Who's the "slave" in a welfare system?  The taxpayer.  Me.  You.?

And there you have it - the conceptual foundation of the GOP's appeal, our daily reminder of the ideological mating call of all conservatives:  WELFARE!

Happy slaves.

Another comical, moral oversight by the authors of the Bible.  



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Re: Funny thing about Christians...
« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2018, 11:41:21 AM »
"Another comical, moral oversight by the authors of the Bible."

No oversight.  Just lack of scope and breadth on your intellectual part.

Again, within the constructs of the 10 commandments, maybe God knew that slavery was better than... hmm, I don't know.... Chicago?  Memphis?
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Re: Funny thing about Christians...
« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2018, 12:08:46 PM »
If you want to litigate, then rape is not in the 10 commandments.


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Re: Pitch digs his hole deeper
« Reply #53 on: March 19, 2018, 12:40:54 PM »





Horse:  What's that, water?
Christian:  Yes, drink?
Horse:  Nope

And then the horse can't just let it go, he has to start another thread.

Horse:  What's that, water?
(and round and round we go)

Just like this thread.

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Re: Funny thing about Christians...
« Reply #54 on: March 19, 2018, 12:57:12 PM »
I'm not saying to make earth like heaven.  I'm asking why God would design the earth/universe in such a way that his people are consistently being killed by natural events: earthquakes,  tornadoes, floods, droughts,  tsunamis, etc.
All this back and forth and you still asking?  Here it is simply laid out for you.  He didn’t lay it out that way.  After his creation he called it very goos (Genesis 1:31). The goodness was lost by man’s sin. (Genesis 3). Mans action caused God to curse the ground, mankind, and animals. There was no death until man sinned. There was no rain on the earth until man sinned.  Those things you are upset over (earth’s pains of bondage) are the result of a just God punishing man. But the good news is God provided us a lifeline. He name is Jesus. 

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Re: Funny thing about Christians...
« Reply #55 on: March 19, 2018, 01:35:18 PM »
All this back and forth and you still asking?  Here it is simply laid out for you.  He didn’t lay it out that way.  After his creation he called it very goos (Genesis 1:31). The goodness was lost by man’s sin. (Genesis 3). Mans action caused God to curse the ground, mankind, and animals. There was no death until man sinned. There was no rain on the earth until man sinned.  Those things you are upset over (earth’s pains of bondage) are the result of a just God punishing man. But the good news is God provided us a lifeline. He name is Jesus.
So, after god flooded the earth, killing everyone (what a guy!) he promised not to do it again... but he then does it via many small natural disasters?  Is that what you're saying?

 

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