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Topic: FINE TUNNING PARAMETERS FOR UNIVERSE

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Re: FINE TUNNING PARAMETERS FOR UNIVERSE
« Reply #112 on: June 05, 2019, 04:59:54 PM »
Thanks again for proving another one of my points

Just because you do not accept Intelligent Design and other theories as science does not make it so. Yes I realize a jury of fools led by a judge who did not allow relevant evidence into a trial (already discussed in detail in the past) does not make its decision valid either. Its just like ass holes, everyone has one. 
As a note science has yet to invalidate the Bible, in spite of itself it keeps proving it  
The Bible is a book about a relationship, between God and man and anyone who tries to use it as a science text is a damn fool, almost as bad as a supposed scientist not seeing the problems with ET, Young Earth Creationism, etc. from a standpoint of science. But then as pointed out many times science points to a creator (also discussed many times in the past), if one wants to be honest. But then.....

To clarify... there's no BIBLICAL basis for intelligent design other than what is manufactured in the minds of people who are unwilling to objectively look at the content of the Bible and will buy quite literally ANY excuse/explanation provided to them because you're too far in to admit you were wrong.

And, yes, some parts of the Bible won't be proven wrong, because many of the events/people were real.  But, like you can't prove that Zeus isn't real, science will likely never prove that the Christian God, or any other God, aren't real.  

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Re: FINE TUNNING PARAMETERS FOR UNIVERSE
« Reply #113 on: June 05, 2019, 05:12:50 PM »
To clarify... there's no BIBLICAL basis for intelligent design other than what is manufactured in the minds of people who are unwilling to objectively look at the content of the Bible and will buy quite literally ANY excuse/explanation provided to them because you're too far in to admit you were wrong.

And, yes, some parts of the Bible won't be proven wrong, because many of the events/people were real.  But, like you can't prove that Zeus isn't real, science will likely never prove that the Christian God, or any other God, aren't real. 
ID names no creator 

Likewise the rest of the your screed  has zero to do with what I posted Try to pay attention
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #114 on: June 05, 2019, 05:24:33 PM »
ID names no creator

Likewise the rest of the your screed  has zero to do with what I posted Try to pay attention
ID names no creator - don't play word games.

Likewise the rest of the your screed  has zero to do with what I posted Try to pay attention - it does, but it's irrelevant because you will accept any spin/explanation you get for the laundry list of flaws in the Bible that science continues to expose.  

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« Reply #115 on: June 05, 2019, 05:28:42 PM »
ID names no creator - don't play word games.

Likewise the rest of the your screed  has zero to do with what I posted Try to pay attention - it does, but it's irrelevant because you will accept any spin/explanation you get for the laundry list of flaws in the Bible that science continues to expose.
not my fault you continue to prove ''Just because you do not accept Intelligent Design and other theories as science does not make it so. Yes I realize a jury of fools led by a judge who did not allow relevant evidence into a trial (already discussed in detail in the past) does not make its decision valid either. Its just like ass holes, everyone has one.  
As a note science has yet to invalidate the Bible, in spite of itself it keeps proving it   
The Bible is a book about a relationship, between God and man and anyone who tries to use it as a science text is a damn fool, almost as bad as a supposed scientist not seeing the problems with ET, Young Earth Creationism, etc. from a standpoint of science. But then as pointed out many times science points to a creator (also discussed many times in the past), if one wants to be honest. But then.....''
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: FINE TUNNING PARAMETERS FOR UNIVERSE
« Reply #116 on: June 05, 2019, 06:23:37 PM »
not my fault you continue to prove ''Just because you do not accept Intelligent Design and other theories as science does not make it so. Yes I realize a jury of fools led by a judge who did not allow relevant evidence into a trial (already discussed in detail in the past) does not make its decision valid either. Its just like ass holes, everyone has one. 
As a note science has yet to invalidate the Bible, in spite of itself it keeps proving it  

****how specifically would the bible be invalidated and what, minus the spin you post here constantly,  has been validated******

The Bible is a book about a relationship, between God and man and anyone who tries to use it as a science text is a damn fool,

****no sane person would use it as a science text book, but it's difficult, fpr an objective person, given that it is portrayed as the word of God, to ignore the BLATANT scientific issues****

almost as bad as a supposed scientist not seeing the problems with ET, Young Earth Creationism, etc. from a standpoint of science. But then as pointed out many times science points to a creator

*****correct.  Something resulted in the universe's existence******

(also discussed many times in the past), if one wants to be honest. But then.....''

***that's funny given the word games you play and the way you allow yourself to be manipulated by looking up tripe you WANT to believe.****?

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« Reply #117 on: June 05, 2019, 06:57:56 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: FINE TUNNING PARAMETERS FOR UNIVERSE
« Reply #118 on: June 05, 2019, 07:09:45 PM »

Do you believe that Moses wrote the Torah?

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« Reply #119 on: June 05, 2019, 07:47:20 PM »
Do you believe that Moses wrote the Torah?

    

 

Matthew 8:4And Jesus said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go your way, show yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." (see Leviticus 14:1–32)
Mark 12:26But concerning the dead, that they rise, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the burning bush passage, how God spoke to him, saying, "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob"? (see Exodus 3:6)
Luke 16:29Abraham said to him, "They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them."
Luke 24:27And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.
Luke 24:44Then He said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me."
John 5:46For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.
John 7:22Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath.
Acts 3:22For Moses truly said to the fathers, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. (see Deuteronomy 18:15)
Acts 15:1And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved."
Acts 28:23So when they had appointed him a day, many came to him at his lodging, to whom he explained and solemnly testified of the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus from both the Law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till evening.
Romans 10:5For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, "The man who does those things shall live by them." (see Leviticus 18:1–5)
Romans 10:19But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says: "I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation, I will move you to anger by a foolish nation." (see Deuteronomy 32:21)
1 Corinthians 9:9For it is written in the law of Moses, "You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain." Is it oxen God is concerned about? (see Deuteronomy 25:4)
2 Corinthians 3:15But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
 



 The Pentateuch is a term referring to the first five books of the Old Testament. It comes from the Greek penta ("five"), and (τεύχος) teukhos, ("implement" or "volume"), meaning the five volumes or implementation of five books. It may also be translated as "five-fold scroll." In Judaism, is it called the Torah, or teaching, and the Law of Moses. The Pentateuch consists of the Bible's books of:


  • Genesis
  • Exodus
  • Leviticus
  • Numbers
  • Deuteronomy
  • Genesis begins with the primeval history: the story of creation and the garden of Eden (Genesis 1-3), the account of the descendants of Adam to the rise of Noah who survives a great flood (Genesis 3-9), and the account of the descendants of Noah through the tower of Babel to the rise of Abram (Abraham) (Genesis 10-11). Next follows the story of the patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the life of Joseph (Genesis 12-50). God gives to the patriarchs a promise of the land of Canaan, but at the end of Genesis the clan of Jacob ends up leaving Canaan for Egypt because of a famine.

    Exodus describes the rise of Moses, who leads the Israelites out of Pharaoh's Egypt (Exodus 1-18) and into Mount Sinai/Horeb where he mediates to them God's covenant and laws (Exodus 19-24), deals with the violation of the law when Israel makes the Golden Calf (Exodus 32-24) and instructs them on building the tabernacle (Exodus 25-31; 35-40).

    Leviticus begins with instructions about how to use the tabernacle that the Israelites had just built (Leviticus 1-10), followed by a long enumeration of the rules of cleanliness (Leviticus 11-15), the Day of Atonement (Leviticus 16), and various moral and ritual laws sometimes called the Holiness Code (Leviticus 17-26).

    Numbers describes two censuses in which the number of Israelites are counted (Numbers 1-3, 26), with many laws mixed among the narratives. The narratives tell how Israel consolidated itself as a community at Sinai (Numbers 1-9), set out from Sinai to move towards Canaan and spied out the land (Numbers 10-13). Because of unbelief at various points, but especially at Kadesh Barnea (Numbers 14), the Israelites were condemned to wander for forty years in the desert in the vicinity of Kadesh instead of immediately entering the land of promise. Even Moses sins and is told he would not live to enter the Promised Land (Numbers 20). At the end of Numbers (Numbers 26-35) Israel moves from the area of Kadesh towards the Promised Land. They leave the Sinai desert and go around Edom and through Moab where Balak and Balaam oppose them (Numbers 22-24; 31:8, 15-16). They defeat two Transjordan kings, Og and Sihon (Numbers 21), and so come to occupy some territory outside of Canaan. At the end of the book they are on the plains of Moab opposite Jericho ready to enter the land.

    Deuteronomy consists primarily of a series of speeches by Moses on the plains of Moab opposte Jericho exhorting Israel to obey God and giving further instruction on the laws. At the end of the book (Deuteronomy 34) Moses is allowed to see the promised land from a mountain, but dies and is buried by God before Israel begins the conquest of Canaan. It is believed by many scholars to be a later summation of the first four books with the death of Moses and events leading up to it added.

    Grouping

    The Pentateuch is traditionally believed to have been written down by Moses. Hence Genesis is sometimes called the first book of Moses, Exodus the second book of Moses, and so forth. In its current form, each successive book of the Pentateuch picks up and continues the story of the previous book to form a continuous story. Hence Genesis tells how the Israelites went to Egypt while Exodus tells how they came to leave Egypt. Exodus describes the building of the tabernacle at Sinai while in Leviticus Moses is given rules while at Sinai for offering sacrifice and worship at that tabernacle. In Numbers the Israelites leave Sinai and travel eventually to the plains of Moab while in Deuteronomy Moses gives speeches about the law on the plains of Moab.
    The Pentateuch can be contrasted with the Hexateuch, a term for the first six books of the Bible. The traditional view is that Joshua wrote the sixth book of the Hexateuch, namely the Book of Joshua, and so it was separated from the five books of the Pentateuch ascribed to Moses. But as a story the Pentateuch seems incomplete without Joshua's account of the conquest of the Promised Land; it completes the story, continuing directly from the events of Deuteronomy, and documents the conquest of Canaan predicted in the Pentateuch. This has led some scholars to propose that the proper literary unit is that of the Hexateuch rather than the Pentateuch. Still others think that Deuteronomy stands apart from the first four books of the Pentateuch, and so speak of the first four as the Tetrateuch (Genesis through Numbers).
As a note it matters not 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Of mice and men - little genetic difference!
« Reply #120 on: June 05, 2019, 07:50:43 PM »
Previous genetic studies have shown that chimpanzee and humans Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA differs by only 1.5%. This was said to be powerful evidence of common descent. Scientists are now sequencing the murine (mouse) genome and have come upon some rather startling data regarding a comparison of the murine and human genomes. So far, only One of the threadlike "packages" of genes and other DNA in the nucleus of a cell. Different kinds of organisms have different numbers of chromosomes. Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes, 46 in all: 44 autosomes and two sex chromosomes. Each parent contributes one chromosome to each pair, so children get half of their chromosomes from their mothers and half from their fathers.chromosome 16 has been fully Determining the order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequenced in both species. However, the results show that human and murine Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA differ from each other by only 2.5%. This is very surprising, since, according the evolutionary theory, the two species diverged 90 million years ago. The problem for the theory of evolution is that this small difference between mice and humans makes the difference between humans and chimpanzees look huge. Whereas it took 90 million years of evolution to produce 2.5% difference in Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequence, humans and chimpanzees diverge 1.5% in less than 10 million years. Why has evolution sped up so much during the evolution of An order of mammals including man, apes, monkeys, etc., often characterized by large brains and flexible hands and feet.primates? Maybe 1.5% is a really big difference?

Just 2.5% of Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA turns mice into men. New Scientist, May 30, 2002.
 R. J. Mural et al. 2002.A Comparison of Whole-Genome Shotgun-Derived Mouse One of the threadlike "packages" of genes and other DNA in the nucleus of a cell. Different kinds of organisms have different numbers of chromosomes. Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes, 46 in all: 44 autosomes and two sex chromosomes. Each parent contributes one chromosome to each pair, so children get half of their chromosomes from their mothers and half from their fathers.Chromosome 16 and the Human Genome. Science 296: 1661.

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Of chimps and men - more genetic difference!
« Reply #121 on: June 05, 2019, 07:51:37 PM »
Previous genetic studies have shown that chimpanzee and humans Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA differs by about 1.5%. However, this difference was determined by examining the Two nucleotides on opposite complementary DNA or RNA strands that are connected via hydrogen bonds.base pair The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequence Replacement of one nucleotide in a DNA sequence by another nucleotide or replacement of one amino acid in a protein by another amino acid.substitutions within certain Determining the order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequenced Functional and physical units of heredity passed from parent to offspring. Genes are pieces of DNA, and most genes contain the information for making a specific protein.genes. Recently, the human genome was completely Determining the order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequenced and sequencing of the chimpanzee genome is well on its way. Preliminary results confirm previous results regarding Two nucleotides on opposite complementary DNA or RNA strands that are connected via hydrogen bonds.base pair Replacement of one nucleotide in a DNA sequence by another nucleotide or replacement of one amino acid in a protein by another amino acid.substitutions (estimated at 1.4%). However, sequencing reveals that Chromosomal abnormalities in which a DNA sequences are inserted into genes, disrupting the normal structure and function of those genes.insertions and deletions result in another 3.4% difference between human and chimp Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA. Therefore, the overall difference between chimp and human Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA is nearly 5%, which represents an almost insurmountable amount of rapid evolution.

Britten, R.J. 2002. Divergence between samples of chimpanzee and human Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequences is 5%, counting indels. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 99: 13633-13635.
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« Reply #122 on: June 06, 2019, 07:26:01 AM »
I would hope most appreciate that science is an attempt to understand Nature using rational naturalistic means.  Science would be silly if it stopped trying and just said "Then a miracle occurs."  That simply is not science in any way shape or form, and indeed that attitude would have prevented science from understanding what we now understand.

It would be a lot easier to just stop with a miracle versus trying to understand Nature better using core scientific principles and laws.  

Anything involving God is simply not science, at all.  So, any alternative to evolution by NS which involves a miracle is not science, at all.  This is pretty simple basic stuff.

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« Reply #123 on: June 06, 2019, 08:47:10 AM »
Let's imagine scientists who encounter a seemingly intractable problem (and this has happened many times of course) and basically given up and said "Well, it's just how God wants things to work.".  Imagine how backwards we'd be today and how much learning would have been abdicated just out of laziness and religion.

I guess our science textbooks would be a lot simpler and thinner.

"We don't understand this, so it's a miracle."


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« Reply #124 on: June 06, 2019, 04:52:21 PM »
Does intelligent design theory implement the scientific method?



The Short Answer: Yes. The scientific method goes from observation --> hypothesis --> experiment --> conclusion. Intelligent design begins with the observation that intelligent agents produce complex and specified information (CSI). Design theorists hypothesize that if objects were designed, they will contain CSI. They then seek to find CSI. One easily testable form of CSI is irreducible complexity (IC). ID researchers can then experimentally reverse-engineer biological structures to see if they are IC. If they find them, they can conclude design.


 The Long Answer:

 Intelligent design uses the scientific method to detect design. The following is a description of the scientific method:

The Scientific Method


 Basic Intelligent Design:

 i. Observation:
 The ways that intelligent agents act can be observed in the natural world and described. When intelligent agents act, it is observed that they produce high levels of "complex-specified information" (CSI). CSI is basically a scenario which is unlikely to happen (making it complex), and conforms to a pattern (making it specified). Language and machines are good examples of things with much CSI. From our understanding of the world, high levels of CSI are always the product of intelligent design.

 ii. Hypothesis:
 If an object in the natural world was designed, then we should be able to examine that object and find the same high levels of CSI in the natural world as we find in human-designed objects.

 iii. Experiment:
 We can examine biological structures to test if high CSI exists. When we look at natural objects in biology, we find many machine-like structures which are specified, because they have a particular arrangement of parts which is necessary for them to function, and complex because they have an unlikely arrangement of many interacting parts. These biological machines are "irreducibly complex," for any change in the nature or arrangement of these parts would destroy their function. Irreducibly complex structures cannot be built up through an alternative theory, such as Darwinian evolution, because Darwinian evolution requires that a biological structure be functional along every small-step of its evolution. "Reverse engineering" of these structures shows that they cease to function if changed even slightly.

 iv. Conclusion:
 Because they exhibit high levels of CSI, a quality known to be produced only by intelligent design, and because there is no other known mechanism to explain the origin of these "irreducibly complex" biological structures, we conclude that they were intelligently designed.

 Intelligent Design as a Theory of Information:




 Putting Intelligent Design to the Test:


Table 1. Ways Designers Act When Designing (Observations):
(1) Take many parts and arrange them in highly specified and complex patterns which perform a specific function.
 (2) Rapidly infuse any amounts of genetic information into the biosphere, including large amounts, such that at times rapid morphological or genetic changes could occur in populations.
 (3) 'Re-use parts' over-and-over in different types of organisms (design upon a common blueprint).
 (4) Be said to typically NOT create completely functionless objects or parts (although we may sometimes think something is functionless, but not realize its true function).


Table 2. Predictions of Design (Hypothesis):
(1) High information content machine-like irreducibly complex structures will be found.
 (2) Forms will be found in the fossil record that appear suddenly and without any precursors.
 (3) Genes and functional parts will be re-used in different unrelated organisms.
 (4) The genetic code will NOT contain much discarded genetic baggage code or functionless "junk DNA".
 


Table 3. Examining the Evidence (Experiment and Conclusion):
Line of Evidence
Data (Experiment)
Prediction of Design Met? (Conclusion)
(1) Biochemical complexity / Laws of the Universe.High information content machine-like irreducibly complex structures are commonly found. The bacterial flagellum is a prime example. Specified complexity found in the laws of the universe may be another.
Yes.
(2) Fossil RecordBiological complexity (i.e. new species) tend to appear in the fossil record suddenly and without any similar precursors. The Cambrian explosion is a prime example.
Yes.
(3) Distribution of Molecular and Morphological CharacteristicsSimilar parts found in different organisms. Many genes and functional parts not distributed in a manner predicted by ancestry, and are often found in clearly unrelated organisms. The "root" of the tree of life is a prime example.
Yes.
(4) DNA Biochemical and Biological FunctionalityIncreased knowledge of genetics has created a strong trend towards functionality for "junk-DNA." Examples include recently discovered functionality in some pseudogenes, microRNAs, introns, LINE and ALU elements. Examples of DNA of unknown function persist, but discovery of function may be expected (or lack of current function still explainable under a design paradigm).
Yes.

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« Reply #125 on: June 06, 2019, 04:52:47 PM »
Intelligent design is a scientific theory which holds that certain features of the universe and living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, and are not the result of an undirected, chance-based process such as Darwinian evolution.

Intelligent design begins with observations about the types of information produced by intelligent agents. Even the atheist zoologist Richard Dawkins says that intuitively, "iology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose." Darwinists believe natural selection did the "designing" but intelligent design theorist Stephen C. Meyer notes, "in all cases where we know the causal origin of 'high information content,' experience has shown that intelligent design played a causal role."

Intelligent design is thus heavily dependent upon "information theory." One of its fundamental premises is that "information" which is complex (highly ordered) and specified (fits a pre-existing pattern) is not produced by naturally occurring events (chance or law-governed processes), but rather this sort of observable information and complexity is best explained as the product of intelligent action.

Intelligent design implies that life is here as a result of the purposeful action of an intelligent designer, standing in contrast to Darwinian evolution, which postulates that life exists due to the chance, purposeless, blind forces of nature.
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

 

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