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DunkingDan

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Fifty Shades of Normal?
« on: December 31, 2017, 01:15:55 PM »


Predicting future trends is a risky business for anyone who doesn’t possess a good crystal ball.  Nonetheless, on the basis of past experience and history, we may confidently declare that trends and changes which one generation grudgingly allow the next will enthusiastically embrace, especially if these changes involve a downward moral spiral.
Take for example homosexuality.  When I was a child, homosexual practice was still illegal in my native Canada.  Not that I can recall anyone ever being prosecuted for it, but the law did exist as a kind of line drawn in the cultural sand, delineating the moral from the immoral. Then a Prime Minister, pushing Canada in a more secular direction, declared that the government had no place in the bedrooms of the nation (great sound bite, eh?), and removed it from the criminal code (the sweeping bill also decriminalized abortion).  No one at the time much noticed or cared about the decriminalization of homosexuality, since few or none had actually been prosecuted under the law to anyone’s knowledge.  The law’s abrogation was met with no great celebration, but simply with a shrug.  The change of law didn’t seem to change the cultural boundaries, as most people thought that homosexuality was—well, weird.  Not criminal, of course, just—weird.  That was 1969.
As is well known, the next generation enthusiastically embraced, celebrated, and made normative the earlier cultural shift.  The older line in the cultural sand has now not only been permanently erased, but dramatically redrawn someplace else.  Now it is rapidly becoming a criminal offense to publicaly denounce homosexuality.  It is certainly politically suicidal to denounce it, and people now regard the mindset of the previous generation as—well, weird.  It is as if the older view of sexual normalcy was not held recently in 1960, but centuries ago in 1260. It is hard to even imagine that such views predominated less than fifty years ago.  But the shift does illustrate the principle that trends and changes which one generation grudgingly allow the next will enthusiastically embrace.
The question then is:  what change will the next generation embrace?  What is next on the downward moral spiral of our increasingly secularized society?  Which practice is now regarded by many people as morally iffy, which will be regarded as obviously morally legitimate by our grandchildren’s generation?  Sadly, I do not possess a crystal ball myself, but if I may be allowed to play the fool for a moment, I will hazard a guess.  It is BDSM, as celebrated in the best-selling series of novels Fifty Shades of Grey.  In the interest of honesty and full disclosure, I will confess that I have not actually read the Fifty Shades of Grey trilogy, and that nothing could induce me to do so.  I have not actually read Mein Kampf either, but I more or less get the main idea without reading the volumes through.  Facebook and Google turn out to be good for something.
Reviews of the trilogy are not encouraging.  The author Sir Salman Rushdie for example said of the work, “I’ve never read anything so badly written that got published.  It made Twilight look like War and Peace.”  One imagines that its popularity then has little to do with its literary merits.  But it is popular nonetheless.  A movie based on the books is set to be released by Universal Pictures in 2015.  An Australian game company has created a board game based on it, as well as packs of cards.  (Really, you can’t make this stuff up.)
It is to be hoped that all this will prove to be simply a passing fad, but there are signs that it may not pass as quickly as we would like.  In the television series Forever, starring Ioan Gruffudd and Judd Hirsch, a dominatrix was presented as a sympathetic and compassionate care-giver, one worthy of respect.  Hmm.  In the wake of the trilogy’s success, a documentary was made investigating the BDSM phenomenon, and to some degree legitimizing it.  There is a possibility that what we now tolerate with dubious raised eye-brows may be enthusiastically embraced by the next generation.
Where does all this leave us Orthodox?  It leaves us more or less where we have always been:  at odds with the world.  Christians in the early church knew that the disciples of Jesus inhabited a different moral universe than their pagan neighbours did, and they strove to live counter-culturally.  That was why there were so many exorcisms in the pre-baptismal preparations, and why the candidates renounced the devil and all his works when they were baptized.  A large part of that devilish and secular culture then involved idolatry; a large part of our own day’s secular culture involves sexual deviance.  That does not mean that we should hate our gay neighbours any more than the ancient Christians hated their pagan ones.  But it does mean that we must identify clearly the parts of our secular culture which are incompatible with our faith and conduct ourselves accordingly.  It is no good going on as some liberal Orthodox do about how complicated these issues are, and the need to build bridges, and have dialogue.  The Fathers could have said the same thing about pagan idolatry in the early church, but they did not.  They did not deal with sin by building bridges, but by burning them.  They did not dialogue with idolatry as if it had spiritual merit; they renounced the devil and all his works.  If we would belong to the same Church as them, we need to do the same today, regardless of where the world’s downward spiral takes us.
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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Fifty Shades of Normal?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2017, 01:48:29 PM »
Take for example homosexuality.  When I was a child, homosexual practice was still illegal in my native Canada.  Not that I can recall anyone ever being prosecuted for it, but the law did exist as a kind of line drawn in the cultural sand, delineating the moral from the immoral. Then a Prime Minister, pushing Canada in a more secular direction, declared that the government had no place in the bedrooms of the nation 

That is correct. The government has no business in the bedrooms of any Nation. It's amazing to see how religious influence in Government has been used, overtime, to infringe on the rights of individuals. It's good to see all that wrong being corrected, finally.

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Diaper Boy aka Pitchy misses the point again
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2017, 02:11:41 PM »


There goes that damn bird once again
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Diaper Boy aka Pitchy misses the point again
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2017, 03:16:02 PM »

There goes that damn bird once again
The only person missing the point in this thread, and most threads, is you.  People have rights, and not religions job to infringe on those rights whether it's done directly or through the government.  Anything beyond that is irrelevant.
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Diaper Boy aka Pitchy misses the point again
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2017, 03:37:47 PM »
The only person missing the point in this thread, and most threads, is you.  People have rights, and not religions job to infringe on those rights whether it's done directly or through the government.  Anything beyond that is irrelevant. :s_laugh:
Another point you miss due to your bigotry is that people don't hide who they are behind doors, they speak, live and vote their values. 
But you actually missed the point of the OP as usual 
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There goes that damned bird again  :34:
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Diaper Boy aka Pitchy misses the point again
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2017, 04:02:00 PM »
Another point you miss due to your bigotry is that people don't hide who they are behind doors, they speak, live and vote their values.
But you actually missed the point of the OP as usual
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There goes that damned bird again  :34:
And you don't have a problem with voting to prevent or take away rights from other people, when what they're doing doesn't affect you in any way?  

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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2017, 04:08:26 PM »
And you don't have a problem with voting to prevent or take away rights from other people, when what they're doing doesn't affect you in any way?  
Do you still beat your wife?

That is the type of question you ask on subjects I have been very clear on lets reexam what I have said recently shall we.

As usual you refuse to do respond to what was actually posted in context but try and twist the conversation to what you want.
Your question has zero to do with anything I have actually said. Try responding to what I have said intelligently and in context or the article I posted intelligent and in context. Then someone might respond in kind.

again If you want to talk about marriage as GOD ordained it (Which was one of the main points in the article). You must first think about what is symbolic of, then consider the purpose of marriage until after thousand of years man has tried to redefine it.

I should note here the article is much deeper than your takeaway from it and requires some historical/biblical knowledge to understand a lot of the nuances.

As a note the Govt. Should have no role in marriage it is not historically a secular institution.

As another note those that choose to live and alternate lifestyle have always had the same rights as everyone else


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« Last Edit: December 31, 2017, 04:10:26 PM by DunkingDan »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Diaper Boy aka Pitchy misses the point again
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2017, 04:16:12 PM »
Do you still beat your wife?

That is the type of question you ask on subjects I have been very clear on lets reexam what I have said recently shall we.

As usual you refuse to do respond to what was actually posted in context but try and twist the conversation to what you want.
Your question has zero to do with anything I have actually said. Try responding to what I have said intelligently and in context or the article I posted intelligent and in context. Then someone might respond in kind.

again If you want to talk about marriage as GOD ordained it (Which was one of the main points in the article). You must first think about what is symbolic of, then consider the purpose of marriage until after thousand of years man has tried to redefine it.

I should note here the article is much deeper than your takeaway from it and requires some historical/biblical knowledge to understand a lot of the nuances.

As a note the Govt. Should have no role in marriage it is not historically a secular institution.

As another note those that choose to live and alternate lifestyle have always had the same rights as everyone else


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So, you believe that gays have always had the same rights to live their lives as they should be allowed to? Homosexuality, sodomy or other sexual activity tie two homosexuals has never been illegal, right? And gays have always had the right to have their marriage recognized legally also, right?
And I didn't ask you if you are still voting against gay rights, I asked you if you have a problem with voting to prevent or take away rights from other people.

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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2017, 05:18:01 PM »
 I am having a hard time hijacking this thread But I can still troll with the best of them
As usual you refuse to do respond to what was actually posted in context but try and twist the conversation to what you want.
Your question has zero to do with anything I have actually said. Try responding to what I have said intelligently and in context or the article I posted intelligent and in context. Then someone might respond in kind.



I should note here the article is much deeper than your what appears to be your mental ability to comprehend and requires some historical/biblical knowledge to understand a lot of the nuances.

As a note the Govt. Should have no role in marriage it is not historically a secular institution.

As another note those that choose to live and alternate lifestyle have always had the same rights as everyone else

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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Fifty Shades of Normal?
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2017, 05:20:27 PM »
Have you any original thoughts or merely good at copy/paste?

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Re: Fifty Shades of Normal?
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2017, 08:51:41 PM »
I'll repost my answer here from another thread:  Civil Unions would give homosexual couples the legitimacy of their status and the assurances they've been denied entirely too long, like hospital visiting privileges and shared property.  Liberals are deluding themselves if they think that gay marriage is simply the end game to redefining marriage.  Unsuspecting, or perhaps naïve, is the best way to describe such a mentality. To believe that homosexual activists would simply seek to redefine marriage to include their lifestyle, while ignoring all other “alternative lifestyles” is simply absurd. The reality is that same-sex “marriage” is just another step in the process to erase the boundaries of what constitutes marriage and family.  My point about Civil Unions was that we were told it had to do with taxes and benefits, nothing more, and that it was the “end of the line” for same-sex couples. But no sooner were civil unions legalized in several states and homosexual advocates began screaming “that’s not good enough, or fair enough.” And a push for the next step was put into place – same-sex “marriage.”  To further prove that same-sex “marriage “ is not the end of redefining marriage, Boris Dittrich recently admitted that group marriage, also called polyamory, is the next step. A this article reports:

“Boris Dittrich, the homosexual activist called the ‘father’ of the political movement in favor of Dutch gay ‘marriage’, has admitted that group marriages of three or more people is the next inevitable logical step in the dismantling of the western world’s traditional marriage laws…the carefully laid-out plan that established first public acceptance, legal civil partnerships, which in turn led inevitably to changing the definition of marriage. The redefinition of marriage, he said, has led to discussions of allowing group marriages of three or more persons.”
Common sense dictates that if marriage is redefined for one group it must logically be redefined for all groups. Otherwise the groups that marriage was not redefined for can legitimately claim discrimination and favoritism against the government. The government will seek to create “equality” for all groups and will then push to further redefine marriage to accommodate all groups.  It’s only a matter of time
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Re: Fifty Shades of Normal?
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2018, 01:12:41 AM »
Yep. Polygamy, Pedophilia, and Beastiality. Joy. I can’t wait. Every sick bastard in the world will have the right to marry a little 8 year old girl maybe even 3 little 10 year old girls for the polygamist pedophalia. And then other freaks can marry their dog or cat.

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Re: Fifty Shades of Normal?
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2018, 11:26:53 AM »
It would be wise to keep a sharper eye on your adolescent boys in the future as history has already shown us in the ancient Greek and many other supposed advanced cultures of their day, they "loved" young boys more so than females of any age group......
The middle east is rife with it's underground pedophilia.......

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Re: Fifty Shades of Normal?
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2018, 11:39:57 AM »
Yep. Polygamy, Pedophilia, and Beastiality. Joy. I can’t wait. Every sick bastard in the world will have the right to marry a little 8 year old girl maybe even 3 little 10 year old girls for the polygamist pedophalia. And then other freaks can marry their dog or cat.
This is from a file I saved on my computer, I will post more in a bit (To try and avoid confusion I am going to post that info as a reply to you as I am posting other info to someone else) that is more current
information passed out by gays at a gay rights parade in Boston
Part of those goals include
1.universal acceptance of the gay lifestyle
2. censoring biblical condemnations of homosexuality
3. expand hate crimes legislation to include sexual orientation
4. portray gays as victims, not as aggressive challengers
5. ending the military's and Boy Scout's restrictions on homosexuality
6. promote homosexuality in schools
Most of these can be found in the book After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the '90s and the article The Overhauling of Straight America This is before you get to some of the publications on what their real goal on marriage is such as Activist William Eskridge admits he hopes gay marriage "will dethrone the traditional family based on blood relationships in favor of families we choose."
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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

 

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