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fuzzynavol

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Father knows best... ?
« on: February 15, 2018, 07:26:34 PM »
So my 15 year old daughter comes home from school today after getting grilled by some kid who's parent is obviously an NRA cult member.  

First I had to remind her that everything conservatives say is based on a false premise.  In this case, it's that gun control means the same thing as gun abolition.  I explained to her that, since no one supports allowing elementary school to take loaded guns to school, that everyone is favor of some level of gun control, and we all should admit that so we can end the unnecessary contention and start having productive conversations about how strict we want those controls to be (from allowing children to carry guns without a permit at one extreme, to outright abolition on the other).  

I told her to rely on conservatives to always oppose every new control idea without consideration.  As a matter of pure ideological conformity, their minds are closed to any or all reforms.  Apparently, they think we've got it perfect right now, and any suggestion to re-evaluate conjures up paranoid fantasies of a deep state take-over and relegation to concentration camps.  

Did I miss anything?  

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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2018, 08:28:10 PM »
You should’ve also explained to her that because of progressive liberalism, we now have men walking around in skirts thinking they’re women. 

We do not have a gun problem, we have a mental health problem.

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2018, 08:40:21 PM »
You should’ve also explained to her that because of progressive liberalism, we now have men walking around in skirts thinking they’re women.

She knows that thanks to progressive liberalism, all people are free to pursue whatever (legal) sexual orientation makes them happy.  

We do not have a gun problem, we have a mental health problem.

We have both, which is why we don't want people with mental health issues having guns.  

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2018, 08:46:27 PM »
You should’ve also explained to her that because of progressive liberalism, we now have men walking around in skirts thinking they’re women.

We do not have a gun problem, we have a mental health problem.
Fuzz kid scoffed at this when I posted it years ago. It is still relevant today
The National Rifle Association believes in no unsupervised youth access to guns, period. We have always supported holding adults responsible for wilfully and recklessly allowing access to firearms.
 Just as every kid should have a guardian who knows where he is and keeps him safe, every firearm should have a guardian who knows where it is and keeps it safely stored.
 
 That's why, for over a century, we've written the book on safe storage of firearms. We support and encourage the distribution, development and use of safety locks, trigger locks, gun safes, or any voluntary means necessary and appropriate to keep firearms away from, or inoperable by, those who shouldn't have them. We have always condemned anything
 
 But we believe that the most effective gun safety device is education. And the NRA does more about it than anybody, investing millions of dollars in our Eddie Eagle gun avoidance safety program that has now reached eleven million children. Even President Clinton agrees it has been effective.
 
 Fatal gun accident rates are now lower than ever in American history. And if any American school wants the program, we'll find a way for that school to have it -- with or without NRA's name on it. But we call on the President and Congress to provide funding to put the Eddie Eagle program in every elementary classroom.
 
 Still, we believe the real problem is unprosecuted criminal access to guns.
 
 So we believe in zero tolerance for anyone illegally buying guns for juveniles.
 
 We encourage the vigilance of everyone to keep illegal guns out of the hands of minors. But more importantly, of the thousands of criminals who bought guns for juveniles, we believe the Clinton Administration should have prosecuted more than just 5 in 1997 and 6 in 1998. That's not zero tolerance.
 
 We believe gang bangers caught carrying guns shouldn't be let go just because they're under 18.
 So we support mandatory penalties for juvenile criminals caught carrying guns. But out of the thousands of these armed teen thugs, we believe the Clinton Justice Department should have prosecuted more than just 3 in 1997 and 8 in 1998. That's not zero tolerance.

 
 We believe that even if violent juvenile felons get a second chance at going straight, they should never get a second chance at owning a gun. Some call it Juvenile Brady -- we call it common sense. We support barring all juveniles convicted of violent felonies from owning guns, for life.
 
 We also believe that criminal records of violent juveniles ought to remain open indefinitely, not expunged in the middle of their crime spree. They shouldn't get a clean criminal slate to splatter with blood again just because they turn 18 or 21.
 
 We support restoring full and perpetual funding for the National Instant Check System, which was the product of this Association's determined effort. It is a federal crime for a felon to try to buy a gun. So for the quarter million prohibited buyers President Clinton claims were turned away, we believe his Justice Department should have prosecuted more than zero in 1996, zero in 1997 and zero in 1998. That's surely not zero tolerance.
 
 We believe that people adjudicated mentally incompetent should be prevented from buying guns. That's the law. But it can't be enforced because those records are often sealed. So we advocate that records of court-declared mental incompetents be unsealed and made available to the instant check system. Believe it or not, insanities like John Hinckley's would not prevent a gun purchase today because most mental records are invisible to the instant check system. Let's close the Hinckley loophole!
 
 We believe that a lawful, properly-permitted citizen who chooses to carry a concealed firearm not only deserves that right, but is a deterrent to crime. We support the right to carry because it has helped cut crime rates in all 31 states that have adopted it ... with almost no abuse of any kind by the lawful citizens who took the courses, submitted to the background checks, passed the tests and became part of a proud citizens movement that's making America a safer place to live. The truth is, very few actually choose to carry a gun -- but the bad guys don't know which few they are.
 
 We believe freedom should never be diminished for those who abide by the law. On the contrary, freedom should be diminished only for those who break the law. That is the principle upon which we stand opposed to waiting period proposals and one-gun-a-month schemes.
 
 We support reversing the Clinton Administration policy of not prosecuting felons with guns. We advocate national adoption of Project Exile, a zero-tolerance project that began in Richmond, Virginia, but can't seem to get the support of President Clinton's Justice Department. Any felon caught with a gun, no matter what he's doing, goes to jail for 5 years, period.
 
 There are many more like this out there. The NRA is for enforcement of the laws that are on the books, they have proposed new laws that are common sense and can be equably enforced to help reduce and deter gun crime. To continue to say they are against gun law enforcement only shows lack of education or lack of research about the group.

President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2018, 09:11:29 PM »
Fuzz kid scoffed at this when I posted it years ago. It is still relevant today

The National Rifle Association believes in no unsupervised youth access to guns, period.

Wow - that's a really bold stand!




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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2018, 09:16:55 PM »

Fuzz would rather show his ass than actually find out where those he hates actually stands. If he eve read the speech he might find common ground but......
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2018, 09:39:17 PM »
Give him a break.

Fuzzy didn't have a father growing up.

That IS HUGE!!!!


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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2018, 09:47:16 PM »
Good job fuzz.   Indoctrinate your children into your special brand of ignorance.   

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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2018, 10:06:02 PM »
So you support the right of men dressed in drag but not guns. 

Which right is specifically mentioned in the Bill of Rights? Hmmmmm.

I sincerely feel sorry for the kids of progressive liberals. Poor babies don’t stand a chance of have independent thought or common sense.

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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2018, 10:36:29 PM »
I feel sorry for your daughter that she has such a stupid father that would actually lie to her in order to turn her into a left wing loon.

You do know one day she will become an adult and know you lied to her and I wonder what other kind of lies you tell your children?
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2018, 11:13:47 PM »
I feel sorry for your daughter that she has such a stupid father that would actually lie to her in order to turn her into a left wing loon.

What's the lie you're alleging?  I'd like a chance to defend myself.  

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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2018, 11:14:40 PM »
Good job fuzz.   Indoctrinate your children into your special brand of ignorance.  

What did I say that is incorrect?  

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2018, 11:23:30 PM »
So my 15 year old daughter comes home from school today after getting grilled by some kid who's parent is obviously an NRA cult member.  

First I had to remind her that everything conservatives say is based on a false premise.  In this case, it's that gun control means the same thing as gun abolition.  I explained to her that, since no one supports allowing elementary school to take loaded guns to school, that everyone is favor of some level of gun control, and we all should admit that so we can end the unnecessary contention and start having productive conversations about how strict we want those controls to be (from allowing children to carry guns without a permit at one extreme, to outright abolition on the other).  

I told her to rely on conservatives to always oppose every new control idea without consideration.  As a matter of pure ideological conformity, their minds are closed to any or all reforms.  Apparently, they think we've got it perfect right now, and any suggestion to re-evaluate conjures up paranoid fantasies of a deep state take-over and relegation to concentration camps.  

Did I miss anything?  
You telling your daughter that everything conservatives say is based on a false premise is perfect because you just created another conservative as soon as she sees what a HUGE liar you are!  That's right--gun control in the form of "gun free zones" are working out just superbly!  Let's keep doing what doesn't work.  You sure did miss out on a few things.  Tell her to just point her finger at a home invader and she will be just fine until she's not.  Tell her she has nothing to worry about at school because the Democrats run the Teacher's Union who refuse to allow teachers to carry to protect her and won't fund retired police officers to the degree necessary.  I'm sure she will be confident in her daddy's assurances.
"Everyone thinks I'm the best damn coach in the country.  But he taught me everything I know.  I never beat him, but I learned a lot from playing him."  Bear Bryant on the General

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2018, 11:23:54 PM »

Fuzzy didn't have a father growing up.  That IS HUGE!!!!

Huge?  How so?  

I occasionally envied friends who had fathers, but would also sometime be grateful that "that guy" (some of my friend's fathers) wasn't my father.  I had a great mother and older siblings and am not deserving of any sympathy (or derision if that's how you're meaning it).  

Give him a break.

Give it to someone who needs it.  



 

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