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Topic: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case

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Cincydawg

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #70 on: May 02, 2020, 08:03:03 AM »
This is why I think it critical for the judge to throw out the plea.  That would be news that could not be spun easily at all, and it would have to be covered.
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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #71 on: May 02, 2020, 08:05:17 AM »

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/369854/#respond

Crush • 
I want to know how often this sort of FBI corruption sends innocent people to jail. How many are still there, how many died in jail because of FBI corruption and incompetence?
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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #72 on: May 02, 2020, 08:23:45 AM »
Quote from: ATexasVol on April 30, 2020, 10:55:48 PM
I don't care where my views plot on the political spectrum in this country.  I do care that the spectrum has shifted so far to the left during my lifetime that JFK would be viewed as a hard right extremist.  I view my ideology as that of a classical liberal, someone that believes in individual liberty, the rule of law, and that the rights of citizens supercede the interests of government. 

There are a lot of things I don't like about Donald Trump, but the rule of law demands that he be accorded the same treatment as any other president.  That has not been the case, and the abuses that took place with the General Flynn prosecution highlight a cancer in our DOJ and FBI leadership.  And if the whole truth were to ever come out, which is doubtful, I believe the Obama administration was complicit in the attempt to spy on the Trump campaign and sabotage his presidency.  If anyone thinks that makes me a Trump supporter or a rightwinger, so be it. 

Flynn is not the only one that paid the price for being on the Trump team.  George Papadopoulos was set up and served time in prison for an irrelevant process crime.  Paul Manafort and Roger Stone were arrested in pre-dawn raids by more heavily-armed assets than were used to kill Bin Laden.  The whole affair reeks of an abuse of power and an attempt to overturn the will of the people. 
1. JFK would not be far right, as much as Reagan would be far left.

2. I consider myself a "classic liberal" as well, because "liberal" is the same thing, but conservatives are NOT liberal at all, so they make a new definition to try and make themselves appear more like their forefathers, and not the extremists they've become.

3. Obama got just as much hate as Trump. Just because you may THINK it's justified from your tainted views, doesn't mean it didn't happen. 

4. Flynn was fired for lying to the VP, and then PLEAD GUILTY, thus really making this whole thread irrelevant. 
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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #73 on: May 02, 2020, 08:26:15 AM »
Flynn was fired for lying to the VP

Being fired by the Trump Administration is obfuscating the issue.
He was charged with a crime by the FBI and was prosecuted....and was set up.
You're okay with the actions the FBI took in this instance?

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #74 on: May 02, 2020, 08:36:44 AM »
Quote from: HK_Vol on May 02, 2020, 08:26:15 AM
Flynn was fired for lying to the VP

Being fired by the Trump Administration is obfuscating the issue.
He was charged with a crime by the FBI and was prosecuted....and was set up.
You're okay with the actions the FBI took in this instance?
Did you miss the, "plead guilty" part? 
Must be an epidemic spreading in here as well. 
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Cincydawg

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #75 on: May 02, 2020, 08:48:06 AM »
Quote from: mcwterps1 on May 02, 2020, 08:23:45 AM

4. Flynn was fired for lying to the VP, and then PLEAD GUILTY, thus really making this whole thread irrelevant.

He lied to Pence/Biden and was fired for that?  Why is lying to a VP a crime?

Do you understand a plausible motivation for his guilty plea?

(Obviously, if he lied to the VP, that wasn't the crime in question here.)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/indictment-michael-flynn/story?id=61147177
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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #76 on: May 02, 2020, 08:57:26 AM »
Honestly as someone who works in criminal justice there isn't anything earth shattering here except Flynn's access to lots of resources. Is the process unfair towards defendants? Yep. It's designed that way.
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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #77 on: May 02, 2020, 09:01:52 AM »
Flynn plead guilty because the FBI was threatening to prosecute his son under the Logan Act. An obscure law that no one has been prosecuted for over 200 years. They told him if he plead guilty they would leave his son alone.
Are you a father? Would you not have done the same thing?
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Cincydawg

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #78 on: May 02, 2020, 09:03:34 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on May 02, 2020, 08:57:26 AM
Honestly as someone who works in criminal justice there isn't anything earth shattering here except Flynn's access to lots of resources. Is the process unfair towards defendants? Yep. It's designed that way.
So, you think the FBI hand written notes are not really of any consequence in the real world?  Nothing new or unusual?

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #79 on: May 02, 2020, 09:08:17 AM »
The FBI already knew the answers to the questions they asked and Flynn also knew they knew since he had worked  in intelligence gathering for years.. They asked him a series of questions and he was incorrect on one of the questions and he later attempted to correct. However the FBI wouldn't allow him to correct the answer because they were hell bent on prosecuting him.
It was a classic perjury trap. The FBI would have continued to ask questions until he answered one wrong.
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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #80 on: May 02, 2020, 09:10:02 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 02, 2020, 09:03:34 AM
So, you think the FBI hand written notes are not really of any consequence in the real world?  Nothing new or unusual?


Are they of consequence? Maybe, because Flynn has lots of resources and friends in high places.

Are they the slightest bit unusual? Absolutely not. The FBI tries to get defendants to lie because it's illegal and gives them a ton of leverage. Congress could change these laws, but it's easier to pretend it's a conspiracy.
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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #81 on: May 02, 2020, 09:10:31 AM »
Quote from: mcwterps1 on May 02, 2020, 08:36:44 AM
Did you miss the, "plead guilty" part?

Watch the short clip with Flynn's current attorney (not his previous law firm Covington where Eric Holder is a partner)...


https://youtu.be/TPGks7be5g0?t=54

"A guilty plea is supposed to be "knowing and voluntary." His [Flynn's] was neither. We have evidence that General Flynn's guilty plea was coerced. We found documents that indicate that from the Covington law firm, they had a secret side deal with the prosecutor.
And they also hid from him [Flynn] all of the evidence which we have uncovered that shows he is innocent. Of course, he [Flynn] knew that, but he had no evidence to prove it because the FBI violated protocol and hid information."
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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #82 on: May 02, 2020, 09:18:12 AM »
Flynn was going to be prosecuted regardless of what he said. If he had not answered one question incorrectly they were going to prosecute him under the Logan Act which no one had been prosecuted for over 200 years .
Flynn had already submitted a plan to completely restructure the intelligence agencies and the good ole' boy network was not going to let that happen.Too many skeletons in the closet.
Flynn had two strikes against him....they wanted him to roll over on Trump and they wanted to stop him from turning the intelligence agencies upside down.
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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #83 on: May 02, 2020, 09:22:34 AM »
I like this excuse that "Well, this is how the FBI works, nothing at all unusual here, this only is surfaced because Flynn has powerful friends."

Very good.  No concern of course that this was intended to be used as a lever against an incoming administration or perhaps to protect malfeasance by an outgoing administration. 

It will be fascinating to see how the judge rules here.
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