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Topic: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case

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Cincydawg

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #168 on: May 02, 2020, 05:33:24 PM »
The Russians try and interfere with elections.  It would be a shock if that were not true.  They want to sew doubt in the outcome and weaken whoever is elected.

Can you name one thing Trump has done that Putin likes and wanted done as quid pro quo?

Did he hit some reset button?

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #169 on: May 02, 2020, 05:36:09 PM »
The Russians try and interfere with elections.  It would be a shock if that were not true.  They want to sew doubt in the outcome and weaken whoever is elected.

Can you name one thing Trump has done that Putin likes and wanted done as quid pro quo?

Did he hit some reset button?
Oil.

No proof, I concede, but I have my reasoning. 

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #170 on: May 02, 2020, 05:36:30 PM »
The Mueller investigation was literally about this subject
So do you have problems with the US interfering in other countries elections?
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #171 on: May 02, 2020, 05:37:45 PM »
It's the same section which states the Logan Act no longer applies because it is old.

Seriously. An antiquated law passed in 1799 that has charged a total of two individuals, neither found guilty, the last one in 1852.

As for the "they do it all the time" excuse..

"This week’s documents include an email from former FBI lawyer Lisa Page debating ways for the bureau to get around its standard formal admonition against lying, suggesting agents just “casually slip that in” when talking to Mr. Flynn.."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fbis-flynn-outrage-11588288438?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/ww9oAYBnAV

"Federal law gives investigators the authority to wiretap foreigners but also requires strict privacy protections for U.S. citizens with whom they speak. The Obama administration superseded those protections and “unmasked” Mr. Flynn in the days following his discussions. They later leaked the classified contents of the call to the press.

The snooping gained them nothing substantive. Mr. Flynn’s conversations were lawful and routine. So Justice Department and FBI officials instead manufactured the absurd theory that Mr. Flynn had violated the Logan Act of 1799, which bars citizens from engaging in unauthorized negotiations in disputes between the U.S. and foreign governments. No one has ever been convicted of violating the act. This week’s handwritten notes show that among the FBI’s hopes in interviewing Mr. Flynn was to “get him to admit to breaking the Logan Act.”

The real goal was to trap him. Remember, the FBI didn’t need to ask Mr. Flynn what he’d said to the Russian ambassador; they had a recording. The only reason for an interview was to coax Mr. Flynn into saying something at odds with that transcript. They worked hard at it. Then-Director James Comey has previously bragged that the FBI went around the White House legal counsel to make sure Mr. Flynn had no lawyer present...

The abuse then continued under former special counsel Robert Mueller. Mr. Flynn initially explained that he misremembered what he’d discussed with the Russian, a highly plausible claim. But Mr. Mueller’s lawyers pursued him to near penury and threatened to prosecute his son. He succumbed and agreed to a plea deal.

Perhaps the most important aspect of this week’s documents is what isn’t in them. The FBI expresses no concern that Mr. Flynn was “colluding” with Russia or otherwise threatening national security—supposedly the rationale for the FBI’s intrusive investigation. By this point, it just wanted a scalp, a means to keep its broader narrative rolling.

The FBI exists to investigate crimes, not to create them. Some might add this shameful behavior to the long list of the FBI’s “collusion” malfeasance: the surveillance-court abuse, the Steele dossier, the leaks. But the Flynn case is something different. This isn’t the FBI playing fast and loose with sources or the courts. This is law enforcement abusing its most tyrannical power—to strip citizens of their reputations, their livelihoods and their liberty."

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #172 on: May 02, 2020, 05:40:37 PM »
Oil.

No proof, I concede, but I have my reasoning.

What did Trump do about oil that Putin wanted?  What?

You have no reasoning, which is hardly unusual around here, just wild eyed weird conspiracy notions with zero substance, and when called on it, you just fade away.

It's predictable.

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #173 on: May 02, 2020, 06:13:29 PM »
Let's think about what Russians would want with oil.

Higher prices.  That could be generated by lower production.  Do you think Trump or Clinton would have been more likely to hinder US oil production?

Does anyone think Clinton would have promoted US oil production?  Huh.  Not a chance.

Clinton would have pandered to the climate change worriers with some EPA nominee.  Lower production = high prices = good for Russia.


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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #174 on: May 02, 2020, 06:25:30 PM »
So do you have problems with the US interfering in other countries elections?
Yes

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #175 on: May 02, 2020, 06:32:10 PM »
So, what else might Putin desire Trump to do?

1.  Withdraw from NATO would be nice.  But Trump has pushed hard for NATO counties to pony up on defense spending.
2.  Not object to the second gas pipeline to Germany.  Um, not.
3.  Not provide lethal aid to Ukraine.  Unlike Obama, trump has done that.
4.  Prop up oil prices by cutting US production?  Nope yet again.
5.  Drop sanctions on various Russian oligarchs?  Um, no, he increased them.
6.  Basically pull back from the international stage?  To some degree, Trump has appeared to desire to do this.
7.  Give Syria to the Russians?  OK, maybe finally we have a something, I say they are welcome to Syria.

Anything else?

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #176 on: May 02, 2020, 06:37:45 PM »
My point, and none of you have really been able to argue otherwise, is that saying it is somehow deep state conspiracy to target Flynn, but totally cool to target Hillary, is just partisan nonsense.
 
We have been making valid arguments otherwise, but you seem incapable of comprehending the difference.   There are no similarities between the Flynn case and the Hillary case.  Hillary committed multiple egregious violations of federal law; Flynn's crime was being on Trump's staff.   

What is it about being on the left that makes one bereft of logic and reasoning?   

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #177 on: May 02, 2020, 06:43:13 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #178 on: May 02, 2020, 06:54:22 PM »
Interesting interview with Gowdy.

Durham is our only hope.

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #179 on: May 02, 2020, 07:36:20 PM »

We have been making valid arguments otherwise, but you seem incapable of comprehending the difference.  There are no similarities between the Flynn case and the Hillary case.  Hillary committed multiple egregious violations of federal law; Flynn's crime was being on Trump's staff. 

What is it about being on the left that makes one bereft of logic and reasoning? 

Yes, I understand you think Hillary's deeds are terrible and worthy of prison and Flynn was an innocent little lamb.

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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #180 on: May 02, 2020, 08:34:34 PM »
I'm not a fan of Flynn - he had some dubious, but legal interactions with Turkey as a lobbyist and he lied to Pence.

But that in no way excuses the complete lawbreaking excesses made by the FBI.

Replace Flynn with yourself.
1 - You are testifying against the head of  the FBI in an unrelated sexual discrimination charge.
2 - They threaten your son
3 - They intend bankrupt your son and leave your grandchild without a father
4 - The FBI said that they would continue with the case until you and your family were completely bankrupt.
5 - The FBI intentionally held back exculpatory evidence.

If you think that is okay for the FBI to do that against you if you happen to get in their crosshairs, by all means, defend the FBI's actions and pray that you never cross them sideways.

"The FBI is bad, but Flynn is worse" should never excuse the crap that the FBI got away with until now.




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Re: Explosive Revelations in the Flynn Case
« Reply #181 on: May 02, 2020, 11:33:11 PM »
Interesting interview with Gowdy.

Durham is our only hope.

Gowdy brought up the same question that I posed, and has not surprisingly gone without an answer, in this thread.
 
Why the vastly different standard between the way the FBI investigated and questioned Hillary and the way they investigated and questioned Flynn and the Trump campaign?

 

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