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NRC To Issue Construction License For Turkey Point
« Reply #56 on: April 06, 2018, 07:52:22 PM »
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission said Friday that it had issued licenses allowing Florida Power and Light to proceed with construction and operation of two AP1000 reactors at the Turkey Point nuclear generating station 25 miles south of Miami. If built, the two units, which were first expected to go online in 2018 and 2020, would cost approximatlely $20 billion to build, according to a Miami Herald report.
FPL said in May of 2016 that it intended to continue pursuit of a license, although the company did not intend to begin construction for another four years. However, economic headwinds have made pursuit of new nuclear power plants on the scale the United States is accustomed to seeing built and unlikely prospect at this time.
The largest economic deterrent is the glut of natural gas on the market, which has made it cheaper to produce electricity with natural gas, despite the attention paid around the world to global warming.
The federal regulator granted permission for the agency’s Office of New Reactors to issue the licenses after conducting a hearing Dec. 12, 2017. The Commission found the staff’s review of FPL’s application adequate to make the necessary regulatory safety and environmental findings, according to a press statement.
The staff expects to issue the licenses in the next few days. FPL applied for permission to build and operate two AP1000 reactors adjacent to the two existing Turkey Point reactors. FPL submitted the application on June 30, 2009. The NRC certified the 1,100-megawatt AP1000 design in 2011.
 
The committee provided the results of its review to the Commission in September 2016. The NRC completed its environmental review and issued the final impact statement for the proposed Turkey Point reactors in October 2016.
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Re: Electricity Update Pt 4
« Reply #57 on: April 06, 2018, 08:31:14 PM »
FPL said in May of 2016 that it intended to continue pursuit of a license, although the company did not intend to begin construction for another four years.

Cheap option for FPL...


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Agreement to study SMR use in northern Ontario
« Reply #58 on: April 09, 2018, 05:25:39 PM »
The use of small modular reactors (SMRs) for remote communities and mines in northern Ontario will be studied following the signing of a memorandum of understanding (MoU) between Bruce Power, Laurentian University and Mirarco Mining Innovation. The five-year, CAD1 million (USD786,000) research agreement will create an Industrial Chair position at Mirarco.
Glenn Thibeault, back left, Ontario's Minister of Energy; and Pierre Zundel, Interim President and Vice-Chancellor at Laurentian University. Front left: Rui Wang, Vice-President Research Laurentian University; James Scongack, Bruce Power's Vice President, Corporate Affairs & Environment; and Vic Pakalnis, President and CEO Mirarco Mining Innovation (Image: Bruce Power)

Mirarco (for Mining Innovation Rehabilitation and Applied Research Corporation) is a not-for-profit company set up in 1998 at Laurentian University to develop innovative sustainable energy solutions for the mining industry and remote communities.
Mirarco President and CEO Vic Pakalnis said: "The chair position will allow Mirarco to further explore the use of SMR application to remote mining operations. By welcoming Bruce Power into the fold, it will support increased research mining safety and align further research with Laurentian Mining Innovations and Technology, allowing for dedicated time to foster research excellence. Northern Ontario will benefit from this strategic investment by the capacity to recruit a chair of high calibre, who is internationally renowned in the field of sustainable energy solutions."
The partners said in a joint statement: "This collaboration is a continuation of the work Bruce Power has already been doing in the area, when it committed CAD5 million in funding in 2016 to the Northern Ontario School of Medicine to conduct health research, specifically in relation to radiation and the environment."
Mike Rencheck, Bruce Power President and CEO, said SMRs could play a role in safely powering the most remote northern communities that do not have adequate electrical grid infrastructure. "Right now, some of the most remote northern communities are serviced by diesel generators and other unsustainable methods that could be replaced by SMRs, or other low-carbon energy sources."
He added, "Bruce Power wants to be at the forefront of nuclear power's future, and, by joining forces with the sustainable energy research community, we can help to guide and focus their efforts as SMRs become a viable option for these communities."
Bruce Power is participating in the Natural Resources Canada (NRCan) efforts to create an SMR roadmap for deployment of new, long-term, clean energy supply options. According to NRCan, the roadmap aims to foster innovation and establish a long-term vision for the industry, as well as to assess the characteristics of different SMR technologies and their alignment with Canadian requirements and priorities. The roadmap is expected to be completed in the autumn.
 
"Ontario has been and continues to be a leader when it comes to clean and sustainable energy," said provincial energy minister Glenn Thibeault. "Investing in research for sustainable and low-carbon energy sources, right here in Sudbury, is a key part of our commitment to securing a clean energy future in remote Northern Ontario communities."
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Fuel loading under way at Chinese EPR
« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2018, 12:51:40 PM »
China General Nuclear (CGN) has begun loading fuel into the core of unit 1 of the Taishan nuclear power plant in China's Guangdong province following the issuance of a permit from the regulator. The unit is later this year scheduled to become the first EPR reactor to enter operation.
Fuel loading operations begin at Taishan 1 (Image: CGN)

CGN said the Taishan Nuclear Power Joint Venture Company - a joint venture between CGN (70%) and EDF (30%) that owns the plant - was issued with the permit yesterday afternoon in Beijing by Liu Hua, vice minister of ecology and environmental affairs and director of the National Nuclear Safety Administration (NNSA).
In a statement the NNSA said that, before the first loading of materials, it had conducted a five-year safety review of the Taishan nuclear power project and dispatched on-site supervisors for the entire construction process. The project meets the design safety goals and the construction quality is good, it added.
Operations to load the first fuel assembly into the core of Taishan 1 began at 8.18pm, CGN said.
Taishan 1 and 2 are the first two reactors based on the EPR design to be built in China. They form part of an EUR8.0 billion (USD9.9 billion) contract signed by Areva and CGN in November 2007. Construction of unit 1 and 2 began in 2009 and 2010, respectively.
Taishan 1 is expected to start up later this year, while Taishan 2 - which is in the equipment installation phase - is scheduled to begin operating next year.
The first-of-a-kind EPR at Finland's Olkiluoto plant has been under construction since 2005 and has seen several revisions to its start-up date, with grid connection now scheduled to take place in December and the start of regular electricity production in May next year. Fuel loading at the Flamanville EPR in France, construction of which began in 2007, is expected to begin the fourth quarter of this year. Two further EPRs are planned at Hinkley Point in the UK.
 
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What will we do with all those solar panels when their useful life is over?
« Reply #60 on: April 14, 2018, 11:03:36 AM »
Solar power is having its hockey stick moment. Since the early 2000s, the amount of solar panels being installed worldwide has been growing exponentially, and it’s expected to continue to do so for decades. By the end of 2015, an estimated 222 gigawatts worth of solar energy had been installed worldwide. According to a recent report from the International Renewable Energy Agency, that number could reach 4,500 GW by 2050.
But the solar panels generating that power don’t last forever. The industry standard life span is about 25 to 30 years, and that means that some of the panels installed at the early end of the current boom aren’t long from being retired. And each passing year, more and more will be pulled from service — glass and metal photovoltaic modules that will soon start adding up to millions, and then tens of millions of metric tons of material.
“It’s not too far off that those are going to be coming off line, and we’re going to have a waste management issue,” says Garvin Heath, a senior scientist at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory and a solar power expert. “It’s fair to say that it’s starting to become more widely recognized as an issue that we’re going to need to start working on pretty soon.”

As photovoltaic panel installations grow, so does the need for final disposition down the road. © OECD/IEA, Design: Becquerel Institute Editing: Mary Brunisholz, IEA PVPS Analysis: Gaëtan Masson, IEA PVPS Task 1, 2016, A Snapshot of Global PV (1992-2016), IEA Publishing. License: www.iea.org/t&c
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The solution many are looking to is recycling. But the ability to handle the coming flow of PV modules is not yet sufficient. “There’s some infrastructure,” Heath says. “I wouldn’t say it’s especially well established at this point.”
Part of the problem is that solar panels are complicated to recycle. They’re made of many materials, some hazardous, and assembled with adhesives and sealants that make breaking them apart challenging.
“The longevity of these panels, the way they’re put together and how they make them make it inherently difficult to, to use a term, de-manufacture,” says Mark Robards, director of special projects for ECS Refining, one of the largest electronics recyclers in the U.S. The panels are torn apart mechanically and broken down with acids to separate out the crystalline silicon, the semiconducting material used by most photovoltaic manufacturers. Heat systems are used to burn up the adhesives that bind them to their armatures, and acidic hydro-metallurgical systems are used to separate precious metals.
Robards says nearly 75 percent of the material that gets separated out is glass, which is easy to recycle into new products but also has a very low resale value. Robards says nearly 75 percent of the material that gets separated out is glass, which is easy to recycle into new products but also has a very low resale value. Not only that, but what’s available to recycle is something of a moving target. As solar panel technology improves, manufacturers are slowly finding ways around using components that would have value to recyclers, like copper and silver.
“So the underlying commodity value of these things keeps going down,” Robards says. The less value a recycler can extract, the less incentive there is to recycle.
Despite the challenges, ECS has been ramping up its photovoltaic recycling capacity. “It’s a semi-decent growth area these next few years but exploding about 2020 and beyond,” Robards says, anticipating the millions of metric tons of panels expected to come off line.
Training and Cost
Until there’s a steady stream it will be hard for recyclers to focus more of their business on solar panels. In order to make sure they’re ready, though, the solar industry is creating programs to train commercial recycling companies to understand what’s in manufacturers’ products and how to break them down, according to Evelyn Butler, senior director of codes and standards for the Solar Energy Industries Association, a trade group representing solar power companies and photovoltaic manufacturers.
Butler says the group is also working with recyclers to share data about what components and materials they’re processing so that they can start to track and forecast their waste.
“We’re still pretty early on in the process, but we’re hoping that in five or 10 years we’ll be able to provide industry data on that,” she says.
A recycling facility gives photovoltaic panel producer First Solar a way to extract components from defunct solar panels for eventual reuse. Photo courtesy of First Solar
Some photovoltaic companies are leading their own recycling efforts. First Solar, one of the largest photovoltaic providers, has long offered recycling for its products. Over the years, its recycling process has gradually improved, according to Sukhwant Raju, the company’s director of recycling operations.
“Our company has over 100 million modules out installed, but they may be another 10 to 15 years away from getting to their end-of-life stage,” he says. “As the time passes, our technology cost is coming down, but at the same time, the volume of the scrap increases. So that gives us economies of scale.”
The company’s long-term goal, Raju says, is to make sure the process is cheap and efficient enough to deal with the expected surge of decommissioned panels.
“The total cost has to be so low that nobody has to think about any other option than to recycle.” – Sukhwant Raju“The total cost has to be so low that nobody has to think about any other option than to recycle. Within the last eight years I’ve seen tremendous reduction in that cost,” he says.
In conjunction with better recycling methods, the company’s panels are designed to be conducive to recycling. Up to 90 percent of the glass and semiconductor material in its decommissioned panels can be reused in new panels or other glass products.
Laws and Regulations
In the U.S., most of this progress is happening without the guidance of regulations. There is currently no federal standard or requirement for end-of-life management of photovoltaic panels that don’t meet the standard for hazardous waste — and they they typically do not. No major state rules have been established for these non-hazardous wastes, either.
Heath at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory notes that the state of Washington passed legislation last year requiring manufacturers to finance the recovery and recycling of panels sold in the state. It’s the most advanced legislation focusing on solar panel recycling so far, but the regulations aren’t expected to be fully implemented until 2021. Heath also notes that Washington is not one of the largest solar-dependent states. In California, which is a major solar state, legislation is still likely years away.
Outside of the U.S., though, there is a model to follow. The European Union’s Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment Directive requires producers to finance end-of-life treatment of solar panels sold in Europe.
Similar federal regulations in the U.S. are unlikely in the near future, according to First Solar’s Raju. But given the massive amount of solar panels expected to be falling out of service in the coming decades, experts predict that more encompassing regulations are inevitable.
           
“I think it is just a matter of time,” says Raju. “I would personally be very surprised if 10 years down the road we don’t have a similar program in place.”     https://ensia.com/features/solar-recycling/
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Re: Electricity Update Pt 4
« Reply #61 on: April 14, 2018, 06:50:56 PM »
There is still some idiocy out there.....and I used to live next to Prospect Park....

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/294108/#respond



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David Buckel, 60, was found in the park at 6.30am on Saturday before hundreds descended on it to enjoy the warm Spring weather.
He left a note in a bag for police which read: ‘My name is David Buckel and I just killed myself by fire as a protest suicide.
‘I apologize to you for the mess.’
The note was left in an envelope labeled ‘for the police’.
He was protesting over climate change, his note read, and the dramatic method was intended as a metaphor for how fossil fuels are destroying the planet.

Ayn Rand didn’t intend for The Return of the Primitive: The Anti-Industrial Revolution to be a how-to guide.


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Bittergeek • 
So he killed himself in the most carbon-intensive way possible? Respectfully, sir, you're doing it wrong.

ultramarine73 • 

So he protested green house gasses in the atmosphere by ... putting green house gasses in the atmosphere ...



Tell me, did he drive to the park?

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Re: Electricity Update Pt 4
« Reply #62 on: April 18, 2018, 11:35:48 PM »


http://www.aweablog.org/top-six-wind-energy-trends-2017/

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In 2017 alone, farmers and ranchers were paid $267 million in lease payments for hosting turbines. That’s income they can count on during times of drought or fluctuating commodity prices. Even better, that number will only continue to grow as America’s large wind development pipeline starts coming online. 

Wind technology has continued to progress at an impressive rate, and results from wind farms built over the last several years show the impact of those advances. Wind projects that came online between 2014 and 2016 have averaged capacity factors over 40 percent, a figure that nears some conventional power plants. Because new technology lets these projects reach stronger, steadier winds, they generate more electricity at a lower cost. It’s a big reason why wind is now 67 percent cheaper than it was in 2009, and it has also allowed wind to expand into new states like North Carolina, and soon, Arkansas.

Each and every one of the seven Regional Transmission Organizations (RTO) and Independent System Operators (ISO) set a new wind generation record in 2017. ERCOT, the grid operator for most of Texas, set the record for most wind power generation at a single point in time as wind turbines delivered 16,141 megawatts (MW) on March 31, 2017. To the North, the Southwest Power Pool (SPP) saw wind meet 56 percent of electricity demand for a period on December 4, 2017 – a record for any organized market.

These increasingly high wind output and penetration rates demonstrate the ability of system operators to efficiently integrate wind power onto the grid and reliably deliver electricity. In fact, during all of 2017, SPP saw wind deliver 23 percent of all electricity generated in the market—another record-setting achievement.



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Re: Electricity Update Pt 4
« Reply #63 on: April 18, 2018, 11:37:42 PM »
http://www.aweablog.org/huge-new-record-southwest-power-pool/


SPP set a new wind-penetration record of 60.56 percent at 3:45 a.m. on March 16. Wind served 13,928.94 MW of the 22,998.71 MW total load.

Wind at these levels also saves consumers money. “That 60 percent getting dispatched Friday morning was the cheapest form of electricity on the grid,” Roth explained.

“Looking back 10 years ago, we wouldn’t have thought this was possible,” said SPP’s Derek Wingfield. “We thought about 25 percent of wind penetration would be about all that anyone could handle reliably.”

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Re: Electricity Update Pt 4
« Reply #64 on: April 21, 2018, 07:50:25 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Environmentalists of the kind lovingly called ‘tree huggers’ (rather than wind turbine worshippers) are finally cottoning on to the fact that the wind industry is anything but the ‘clean, green’ energy source its proponents claim it to be.
In this piece, Emily Wade makes her indignation palpable; it’s almost as if she’s been played for a dupe.
In that regard, Emily can be forgiven. The wind industry has worked overtime to overstate its green credentials and bury anything to the contrary.
Real eco-warriors, like Emily, aren’t so concerned about the interment of inconvenient facts by wind industry spruikers, they’re furious at the fact that what the wind industry is actually burying tens of millions of tons of toxic waste, among a list of other environmental sins.
Studies Find Wind Turbines Unsustainable and Harmful to Wildlife
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 Emily Wade
 6 July 2017

New studies estimate that wind turbines will produce 43 million tonnes of waste by 2050. Scientists say that wind energy is an unsustainable environmental disaster that fills landfills and harms wildlife.  However, the United States Department of Energy boasts that wind energy is the number one source of renewable energy capacity in the U.S with enough capacity to power over 20 million homes.
“The Department of Energy’s Wind Energy Technologies Office says that it “leads the nation’s efforts to research and develop innovative technologies, lower the costs, and enable and accelerate the deployment of wind energy throughout the nation. The office has a comprehensive portfolio and invests through cooperative agreements with a variety of businesses, universities, laboratories, and other organizations.” The Department’s Wind Vision Study Scenario seeks to increase the nation’s wind energy supply 35% by year 2050, and it uses incentives like government grants and tax credits to achieve this goal.
The government claims that wind power is sustainable, but The Journal of Waste Management’s 2017 publication titled “Wind Turbine Blade Waste in 2050” states that wind turbine blades are filling landfills.
In addition to the blades, the study states that there is up to 45% additional waste from manufacturing, testing, and the in-service stages of wind turbine usage. The scientists estimate that there will be 43 million tonnes of worldwide blade waste by 2050. The  estimated numbers were based on current data from sales and production, and did not account for the government’s plan to dramatically increase turbine use by 2050.
A study from October 2016 titled “Unsustainable Wind Turbine Blade Disposal Practices in the United States” calls for policy interventions to encourage industry to improve wind turbine blade production and disposal. They state that although trashing the blades in landfills is the most cost-effective method of disposal, it has environmental costs that need to be accounted for.
Studies also show that wind turbines can be a threat to wild life. The government admits that spinning turbine blades pose a threat to bats, but the most recent study that they show on the topic is from 2013 and has stats which differ from more recent studies. The Wind Energy Technologies Office (A division of the Office of Energy Efficiency & Renewable Energy) claims that bat fatality rates have been reported at levels between 1-30 bats/MW per year.
A 2017 study states that wind turbines threaten hoary bat populations to the level of extinction.  Scientists estimate that 90% of the the hoary bat population could be lost to turbines in the next 50 years. The scientists state that policy decisions need to include conservation measures that need to be initiated immediately.
     
When compared to oil, coal or nuclear power, wind seemed like a good idea for energy. However, wind turbines are made from non-recyclable parts that are creating tonnes of waste. The American government needs to stop giving incentives with tax dollars for wind technology, but instead, support development of truly clean, alternative energy and freedom in the energy industry.

Battered: another inconvenient truth for wind worshippers.
 
True enough, every industry attracts grubs – those who make a mess of things, genetically incapable of operating in any other fashion – and cowboys – those who willingly create environmental havoc, and then spend the rest of their time actively avoiding the consequences of creating it.
For the wind industry, however, the problem is that when you start from a self-aggrandising moral platform just south of Heaven, your critics are always primed and ready to have a field day whenever one of your proponents is caught acting like a cowboy or a grub.
Burning plastic now Jaisalmer desert’s new pollutant
 The Times of India
 21 July 2017


The first windmills of Jaisalmer came up in 2001. Since then, the desert has become among the largest windfarms in the world. The spread of this “sustainable” energy source, however, has not come without a cost. Local people who have lived off tourism are finding it harder to attract foreign visitors.
Villagers in Kanoi, near the Desert National Park, complain of the unceasing noise from the windmills. An inspection by a small team that included Devendra Singh Bikundiya of the state pollution control board last month found that plastic was burnt close to the border of the DNP. Air was polluted and toxic cinders were getting into sand dunes.
The large equipment used in windfarms comes packed in plastic. Once the equipment is erected, the plastic is piled in desert sand and burnt. Villagers have been petitioning the district administration to act against the firms causing pollution. In their petition, villagers name Vish Wind Infrastructure, a Mumbai-based firm, which has been granted lease of land for windfarms close to the border with the Desert National Park.
Windmills installed in this area pose a threat to the highly endangered Great Indian Bustard – it is estimated that less than 200 birds of this species now survive in the world.
“The Khaba-Kanoi road is the one taken by camel safaris. There was a time when foreign tourists would spend four or five days in these parts, moving with camels, pitching tents and spending nights looking up at starry skies. The lights atop windmills no longer allow an uninterrupted view of starry night skies.
Tourists cannot be persuaded to stay more than two days, at the most. What foreign tourists seek is a sense of adventure, of being out where there are not so many people. Here, however, we now have windmills and even piles of plastic waste, slowing burning away. What can we expect to show in the desert these days?” asks Virender Singh, a conservationist who runs a resort close to the border with the Desert National Park.
The Jaisalmer culture and heritage conservation group, of which Virender Singh is a member, submitted several petitions to local authorities seeking that action be taken against firms polluting the desert air. “The burning plastic leaves toxic material. The fumes and the ashes are harmful for even reptiles and other creatures that live in the sand. The water in the area is polluted too, and farmers are affected,” says the petition that the group has submitted to district authorities in January this year.
     
Aparna Arora, chairperson of the state pollution control board and Jaisalmer district collector Kailash Chand were both busy in meetings and unable to answer queries. No phone number could be traced for Vish Wind.
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Re: Electricity Update Pt 4
« Reply #66 on: April 24, 2018, 06:22:18 PM »
Wind kills birds
Nuclear kills fish

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/kyle-rabin/power-plants-kill-fish-ok_b_3541852.html

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Many people know that power plants are a major source of air pollution and greenhouse gasses. However, fewer realize that a single power plant may withdraw hundreds of millions or billions of gallons of water every day, destroying millions of adult fish and billions of fish eggs and larvae in a single year. And that the shores of some of the country’s most iconic, irreplaceable and ecologically rich waterways — including the Delaware, Hudson and Mississippi Rivers, the Chesapeake Bay and the Great Lakes — are home to numerous fish-killing plants.

Nationwide, the once-through cooling water-intake systems on outdated power plants kill more than 2 billion fish, crabs and shrimp every year, and more than 528 billion eggs and larvae that serve as the basis of the aquatic food chain.

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Re: Electricity Update Pt 4
« Reply #67 on: April 24, 2018, 06:32:32 PM »
Wind kills birds
Nuclear kills fish

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/kyle-rabin/power-plants-kill-fish-ok_b_3541852.html

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Many people know that power plants are a major source of air pollution and greenhouse gasses. However, fewer realize that a single power plant may withdraw hundreds of millions or billions of gallons of water every day, destroying millions of adult fish and billions of fish eggs and larvae in a single year. And that the shores of some of the country’s most iconic, irreplaceable and ecologically rich waterways — including the Delaware, Hudson and Mississippi Rivers, the Chesapeake Bay and the Great Lakes — are home to numerous fish-killing plants.

Nationwide, the once-through cooling water-intake systems on outdated power plants kill more than 2 billion fish, crabs and shrimp every year, and more than 528 billion eggs and larvae that serve as the basis of the aquatic food chain.
Lakes with warm-water discharges from power plants keep fish feeding actively throughout the winter. The smaller bait or forage fish (shad, alewife), are attracted to the warmer water in the discharge canal during the cold months. This attracts the larger fish like largemouth bass, striped bass and hybrid bass that feed on the smaller fish.
 
It’s important to note that the warm water quickly dissipates in the lake, causing no harm to the aquatic environment.

Once water temps go above a certain point per the license,( which has intense monitoring by the NRC, TDEC and other environmental agencies ), then the plant reduces power to come within licensed limits or the plant shuts down. TVA releases water from deep water reservoirs in the mtns to send slugs of cold water down to keep temps within compliance.

Nationwide state and federal fisheries monitor the discharges and its affects as well, no report from them has shown any problems, that I am aware of (I am aware of cutbacks and shutdowns of plants until water temps are withing licensed limits). If they did then a license event occurs which must be addressed and rectified.
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Re: Electricity Update Pt 4
« Reply #68 on: April 24, 2018, 06:47:25 PM »
Exactly.
And wind power advocates that "scare mongering" from extreme events that are not anywhere near the norm detract from the fact that its power emits much less pollutants into the air than either natural gas or coal - so that overall, it is better for the environment than many alternatives.

And if we're going to save every last bird, we need to tear down most all buildings and get rid of windows in them all.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/windows-may-kill-988-million-birds-year-united-states

Windows may kill up to 988 million birds a year in the United States

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Re: Electricity Update Pt 4
« Reply #69 on: April 24, 2018, 06:53:48 PM »
Exactly.
And wind power advocates that "scare mongering" from extreme events that are not anywhere near the norm detract from the fact that its power emits much less pollutants into the air than either natural gas or coal - so that overall, it is better for the environment than many alternatives.

And if we're going to save every last bird, we need to tear down most all buildings and get rid of windows in them all.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/windows-may-kill-988-million-birds-year-united-states

Windows may kill up to 988 million birds a year in the United States
Nothing extreme about the non green subsidy backed energy source that takes up how much land to produce the same as a normal generating station does on a much smaller piece of land? how many thousands of acres vs ~ 10 acres ? How much hidden pollution is there? How soon before we have rolling blackouts due to the so called green energy? We see in the NE how it is not fitting the consumers needs but those who wish to profit short term or making a small mint at the average citizens expense.

President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

 

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