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fuzzynavol

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Re: El Paso
« Reply #70 on: August 05, 2019, 04:07:46 PM »
Still kinda confused.  Did Trump piss this guy off, or did Democrats?  Trump's fault?  How do you figure?
You sure are confused.  No one has said that Trump pissed this guy off, or that is was Trump's fault.  I specifically called the shooter a deranged copycat.  This thread is about Billy's defensive attempt to mischaracterize the shooter's manifesto while seeking to distance Trump from white nationalism, and my pointing out that the shooter's ideological sympatico with the righties on this board.  

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Re: El Paso
« Reply #71 on: August 05, 2019, 04:10:24 PM »
https://www.apnews.com/ec74c3c86d1f44c0afc40ba2c6c81702

2020 Democrats lay blame on Trump’s rhetoric for shootings


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Re: El Paso
« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2019, 04:10:42 PM »
while seeking to distance Trump from white nationalism

When did Trump jump in bed with white nationalism?  Or should I just assume that, lest be deemed ignorant?

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Re: El Paso
« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2019, 05:47:38 PM »
When did Trump jump in bed with white nationalism?

His first questionable public flirtation came back in '89 with the "Central Park Five" scandal (google it), but I'd say it really kicked off during the Republican primaries back in '15.  

Or should I just assume that, lest be deemed ignorant?

You should more accurately be deemed to be in (partisan) denial.  

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« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2019, 05:49:23 PM »
https://www.apnews.com/ec74c3c86d1f44c0afc40ba2c6c81702

2020 Democrats lay blame on Trump’s rhetoric for shootings
I didn't realize I needed to clarify that I (we) were talking about the contents of this thread.  Of course there are people out there blaming Trump, but then you've never shown to be averse to pointing out the obvious.  

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Re: El Paso
« Reply #75 on: August 05, 2019, 07:55:14 PM »
I didn't realize I needed to clarify that I (we) were talking about the contents of this thread.  
You do. 

Oh but, do you ever. 

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Re: El Paso
« Reply #76 on: August 05, 2019, 09:38:16 PM »
Democrats don't have to rely on guilt-by-association with Trump - they simply hold him accountable for what he says. 

If they were to resort to guilt-by-association, Trump would have been in jail a long time ago. 
 So Trump's words are worse than Obama's terrorist friends? Close relationship with Ayers?



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Re: El Paso
« Reply #77 on: August 05, 2019, 09:41:07 PM »

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« Reply #78 on: August 05, 2019, 10:14:41 PM »
So Trump's words are worse than Obama's terrorist friends? Close relationship with Ayers?
No, Trump's words are worse that Obama's words, and Trump's association with criminals far outnumbers Obama's as well.  

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« Reply #79 on: August 05, 2019, 10:18:45 PM »
No, Trump's words are worse that Obama's words, and Trump's association with criminals far outnumbers Obama's as well. 

Trump has a better list than this?


William Ayers (neighbor and anti-american terrorist who helped launch his career, leader of a group which bombed the pentagon)
Bernardine Dohrn (neighbor and anti-american terrorist who helped launch his career, leader of a group which bombed the pentagon)
Larry Walsh (neighbor and criminal under investigation by the FBI)
Louis Farrakhan (neighbor and race baiting leader of the nation of Islam)
Reverend Wright (race baiting spiritual mentor who espouses black liberation theology and was his paster for 20 years, baptizing his children and conducting is marraige ceremony)
Tony Rezko (neighbor and Criminal under investigation)
The Rathke brothers, founders of ACORN (Anti-American group which funded his community organizing)
Franklin Raines (Exec of FM, economic advisor)
Jim Johnson (Exec of FM, economic advisor)
Saul Alinsky (mentor, author of Rules for Radicals, an anti-american instruction book in which he dedicated to satan)
Khalid Al-Mansour (Radical who advocated the murder of white people repeatedly, helped Obama gain admission into Harvard)
Raila Odinga (Cousin and leader in Kenya conducting genocide of opposition)
Percy Sutton (Malcolm X's lawyer)
MoveOn.org (Anti-American/Socialist website)
Code Pink
Penny Pritzker(Pro-Iranian Supporter)
Susan L. Rosenberg (WeatherUnderground Terrorist)
Mike Klonsky (WeatherUnderground Terrorist)
Father Flagler (Radical racist advocating black liberation theology)
American Action Network (AAAN) (an Anti-Israel Group)
Rashid Khalidi (Founder of AAAN and Radical Racist Muslim).
Ali Abunimah (Serves On The Board Of Directors For AAAN)
Aiham Alsammarae (Conficted Felon (corruption) Obama tried to jeep out of jail)
Nadhmi Auchi (An Iraqi Billionaire, Associate/Friend)
Howard Machtinger
Jeff Jones
Steve Tappis
Mark Rudd
David Wilhelm
Gov. Rod Blagojevich (D-IL)
Valerie Jarrett
Hunter Biden
Federico Peña
Steve Branchflower
Joseph Cari
Gregory Craig
Lester Crown
Allison Davis
Frank Marshall Davis
Chris Dodd
Kim Elton
Richard Daley
Marilyn Katz ’60s radical , now an Obama fundraiser, strategist and public relations maven. She is also a longtime aquaintance of Ayers and another link between BO and Ayers

41 personal associations with radicals.
6 associations with radical, anti-american groups.

So far these groups and personal associations:

1. Got him into Harvard.
2. Got him a job.
3. Got him a home.
4. Got him into politics.
5. Baptized his Children.
6. Conducted his marraige ceremony.

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Re: El Paso
« Reply #80 on: August 05, 2019, 10:29:39 PM »
You sure are confused.  No one has said that Trump pissed this guy off, or that is was Trump's fault.  I specifically called the shooter a deranged copycat.  This thread is about Billy's defensive attempt to mischaracterize the shooter's manifesto while seeking to distance Trump from white nationalism, and my pointing out that the shooter's ideological sympatico with the righties on this board. 

What you actually said was: He's an anti-immigration extremist who would fit in well on this board.
Who are the anti-immigration extremists on this board? I don’t recall any. Anything short of open borders is anti-immigration extremist?

Then you said: Like I said, he'd fit in here juuuust fine...
How would he fit in here? 

Then you said: my pointing out that the shooter's ideological sympatico with the righties on this board. 
Which righties on this board does he share ideology with? Are you just stereotyping without proof?

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« Reply #81 on: August 05, 2019, 10:41:41 PM »
  
Which righties on this board does he share ideology with? Are you just stereotyping without proof?
There's an easy way to settle this - go through his manifesto and post any of his ideological opinions that you think are out-of-step with the righties on this board.  I read it and didn't see any, but maybe you can find something.  

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« Reply #82 on: August 05, 2019, 11:18:27 PM »
There's an easy way to settle this - go through his manifesto and post any of his ideological opinions that you think are out-of-step with the righties on this board.  I read it and didn't see any, but maybe you can find something. 
You missed a lot Fuzz. You appear out of touch with this board.

In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto. (I don’t think anyone here supports either)
This attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas. (You don’t attack someone for wanting to enter your country. You have proper border security to protect your sovereign Nation. Most countries do this? I think the majority of the board disagrees with him)
They are the instigators, not me. (all here would disagree)
I am simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion. (all here would disagree)

In short, America is rotting from the inside out, and peaceful means to stop this seem to be nearly impossible. (agree with the first part- collapse of the family, etc. but not much to do with immigration and disagree with the second part)

The inconvenient truth is that our leaders, both Democrat AND Republican, have been failing us for decades. (agree, nothing to do with immigration)
The takeover of the United States government by unchecked corporations. I could write a ten page essay on all the damage these corporations have caused, but here is what is important. (disagree, he sounds like a Bernie Fuzzy Liberal)
Due to the death of the baby boomers, the increasingly anti-immigrant rhetoric of the right and the ever increasing Hispanic population, America will soon become a one party-state. (not the only reason why the Dems will take over so disagree)

I lost interest


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Re: El Paso
« Reply #83 on: August 06, 2019, 12:18:19 AM »
In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto. (I don’t think anyone here supports either)

His behavior is irrelevant, as we're only discussing ideology.  None of us knows the contents of his manifesto, but the Christchurch shooter attacked a group of Muslims, and there have been threads very recently in this forum saying that violence is the only way to defeat Islam.  Right Billy?  

This attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas.
 
That's right in line with what I read here - how many MS13 threads has Dan posted here?  Ideologically speaking, that sentiment is no different than the callous disregard expressed here for the children separated from their parents at the border.  

(You don’t attack someone for wanting to enter your country. You have proper border security to protect your sovereign Nation. Most countries do this? I think the majority of the board disagrees with him)

Behavior is irrelevant - again, we're talking about his ideology.

They are the instigators, not me. (all here would disagree)

Most here believe illegal immigrants are instigating the problem.

I am simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion. (all here would disagree)

His action of defending his country is about his behavior, which is irrelevant.  Complaining about cultural replacement is in-keeping with the general ideology of the righties on this board.  

In short, America is rotting from the inside out, and peaceful means to stop this seem to be nearly impossible. (agree with the first part- collapse of the family, etc. but not much to do with immigration and disagree with the second part)

That kind of sentiment is expressed all the time here - in even more radical terms.  It's also fairly common to read here that President Obama "hated American and wanted to destroy the middle class."  

The inconvenient truth is that our leaders, both Democrat AND Republican, have been failing us for decades. (agree, nothing to do with immigration)

It doesn't matter whether it has anything to do with immigration, what matters is if his ideological rantings would fit in on this board, and the answer is yes.

The takeover of the United States government by unchecked corporations. I could write a ten page essay on all the damage these corporations have caused, but here is what is important. (disagree, he sounds like a Bernie Fuzzy Liberal)

Fine - it would still fit in on the board.  

Due to the death of the baby boomers, the increasingly anti-immigrant rhetoric of the right and the ever increasing Hispanic population, America will soon become a one party-state. (not the only reason why the Dems will take over so disagree)

This isn't about whether or not you agree with his rantings, it's about whether or not he's too ideologically radical or too far right to fit in on the board.  Clearly he is not.  Only his bahavior is too radical - ideologically he's just one of the fellas.  

I lost interest

Maybe if you'd understood your challenge, you would have maintained interest a little longer.  Bottom line is that no one here agrees with his behavior, but he's not ideologically out-of-step with the righties on this board.  

 

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