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Topic: Due Process is not acceptable

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HK_Vol

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Re: Due Process is not acceptable
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2021, 11:57:09 PM »
All ole boy had to do was take another ride to the pokey but decided to be like all the other dirtbags who resist arrest and ended up dead.

legalizing deadly force against those who resist and flee would put an end to this shit ...... QUICKLY!!!!
I lectured my kids about this last night at dinner.  If arrested, simply make sure your hands are where the officer can see them and simply say "yes sir; no sir" or "yes ma'am; no ma'am" and take a ride to the police station.  Post bail and we'll deal with the courts later.  And if possible, push record on your phone and have it pointing outwards from your shirt pocket if possible.


I was arrested for "possessing a open beer on a public sidewalk" once while in college.  The "Tap Room" for you Knoxvillians - I stepped out the back entrance next to the laudromat to cool off as it must have been about 110 degrees inside.  The officer arrested me and had me in the car as we waited for the paddy wagon.  He insulted me and tried real hard to get me to mouth off, respond physically, etc.  After all, what kind of charge is it to call in the paddywagon and send someone off to jail for an "open beer".  I didn't bite.  "Yes sir; no sir; you're entitled to your own opinion sir."  I went to court and the officer didn't even bother to show up - probably embarassed.  But the rumor was that he had a reputation for seeing how many arrests he could make in a night.  Result?  30-days probation.  No arrest in the next 30 days and the charges were expunged with no record of it ever happening.

A waste of everyone's time, but at least I didn't get shot.  I fully expect my kids to act in a similar manner that I did, not in the manner that Daunte Wright did.








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Re: Due Process is not acceptable
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2021, 02:03:32 PM »
If the officer didn't show, what was the evidence against you?

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Re: Due Process is not acceptable
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2021, 02:05:24 PM »
Ah, so that means the officer doesn't deserve due process.  Thanks for clarifying. 
I think everyone who gets fired deserves due process; however, at-will states like Wisconsin don’t require it unless it’s in the contract.  

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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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Re: Due Process is not acceptable
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2021, 03:41:15 PM »
Wisconsin is an at-will state meaning most employers can fire an employee with or without cause.  I would expect government employees would have contracts that provide some due process/justification for termination, but it’s possible they do not.

Either way this is a case that should piss off everyone.  Daune Wright was shot after a tragic stop and the officer who shot him yelled taser when discharging her weapon.  How does an officer make that mistake?
I’ll go with adrenaline and lack of training (muscle memory). Do you really think cops wake up one morning and think to themselves, “I think I’m going to shoot a black guy today while yelling Taser in hopes that I get away with it”. 

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Re: Due Process is not acceptable
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2021, 03:46:00 PM »
I'd guess most white cops think "I hope I don't get into any kind of situation with a black man who may be a threat because I fear I will pause a critical second."

IF she thought she was reaching for a Taser, it's a terrible mistake, and I can see charges, but not Murder 2.

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« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2021, 03:53:27 PM »
https://joinhomebase.com/blog/at-will-employment-exceptions/

https://employment.findlaw.com/losing-a-job/at-will-employment-and-wrongful-termination.html


There is more but....
Thank you for adding this.  I should not have spoke in such stark terms because there are exceptions to most rules.  And as I stated previously civil servants (either the original city manager at the start of the thread or the police officer that discharged her weapon) probably have some protection in their contract.

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Re: Due Process is not acceptable
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2021, 03:54:50 PM »
I’ll go with adrenaline and lack of training (muscle memory). Do you really think cops wake up one morning and think to themselves, “I think I’m going to shoot a black guy today while yelling Taser in hopes that I get away with it”.
No, but it’s such a bad mistake.  That’s why I think it should piss everyone off.  It just adds fuel to the fire when it was highly preventable. 

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Re: Due Process is not acceptable
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2021, 03:57:35 PM »
I'd guess most white cops think "I hope I don't get into any kind of situation with a black man who may be a threat because I fear I will pause a critical second."

IF she thought she was reaching for a Taser, it's a terrible mistake, and I can see charges, but not Murder 2.
The officer was charged with manslaughter in the second degree not murder in the second degree.  

Here’s the relevant MN statute

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205

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Re: Due Process is not acceptable
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2021, 04:06:25 PM »
Thanks, I saw a news headline, my bad, that said murder.  I should know better.

In Minnesota, second-degree manslaughter applies when authorities allege a person causes someone's death by "culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another."

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Re: Due Process is not acceptable
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2021, 06:39:17 PM »
If Daunte had simply cooperated with the police from the beginning......[sigh]




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Re: Due Process is not acceptable
« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2021, 07:01:06 PM »
No, but it’s such a bad mistake.  That’s why I think it should piss everyone off.  It just adds fuel to the fire when it was highly preventable.
A few other things to consider. What if every cop in whatever municipality was required to place the taser in the same exact location, left or right side, depending on the dominant hand of the cop? Secondly, what if taser hand grips didn’t feel like the hand grip of a firearm?

If both of those were reality then Duante might still be alive. Lastly, what if Duante was actually complaint regardless of the fact he had a warrant for armed robbery and did what the cops asked him to do? He’d be in jail but still alive. Sometimes in life a person must suffer the consequences of their actions.

It is clear the officer never intended to shoot Duante with her firearm. She was yelling Taser. It was a horrible mistake but it was initially caused because Duante didn’t want to go to jail for robbery.

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Re: Due Process is not acceptable
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2021, 08:40:09 PM »
I think everyone who gets fired deserves due process; however, at-will states like Wisconsin don’t require it unless it’s in the contract. 
Why do you think the officer who killed Ashli Babbitt was not charged or even named?

Should we all be pissed off?

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Re: Due Process is not acceptable
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2021, 08:51:57 PM »
A few other things to consider. What if every cop in whatever municipality was required to place the taser in the same exact location, left or right side, depending on the dominant hand of the cop? Secondly, what if taser hand grips didn’t feel like the hand grip of a firearm?

If both of those were reality then Duante might still be alive. Lastly, what if Duante was actually complaint regardless of the fact he had a warrant for armed robbery and did what the cops asked him to do? He’d be in jail but still alive. Sometimes in life a person must suffer the consequences of their actions.

It is clear the officer never intended to shoot Duante with her firearm. She was yelling Taser. It was a horrible mistake but it was initially caused because Duante didn’t want to go to jail for robbery.
Plain and simple Duante the punk azz didn’t want another ride to the pokey ...... just let them be shot if they flee or arrest and in short order they’ll be a lot fewer low life dumbasses in the world 

 

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